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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ Scorpion EVO => Topic started by: chris_8806 on June 12, 2018, 11:58:42 AM
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Was wondering what everyone ran optic wise on their scorpion evos.
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For a scope, I have found the UTG "Bug Buster" 3x9 to be perfectly good. Cheap, too. Has QD rings, too.
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1WSEIQpXXXXX5XFXXq6xXFXXXf/2016-Newest-Model-FIRECLUB-3-9x32-Compact-CQB-Bug-Buster-Rifle-Scope-w-Rings-Sunshade-Zero.jpg)
For a Red dot, I use an Ultradot 6 (4 dot sizes plus 2 reticles) also in QD rings.
(https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/880x660/Primary/316/316314.jpg)
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Eotec 552
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Trijicon ACOG 1.5X, it's like a dot sight with built in cheaters for old eyes.
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?id=ACOG&mid=1.5%20x%2016S
Unfortunately, it is the opposite of cheap.
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Vortex has some good red dots for not a ton of money. I'm using the Sparc2, which can co-witness the Scorpion's irons with the low mount or sit slightly above.
I hear holosun's aren't too bad, but I have no experience with them.
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I bought a Trijicon RMR dot sight from Cabelas (through Active Junky) when they had them on sale. With the Active Junky kick back I think it came out to $275 which is a great price for an RMR. I have a couple othe RMRs that I paid twice that for. Anyway, the RMR is a great dot sight on the Scorpion.
The other optics mentioned are good too - I have used a Vortex, Holosun, and Ultradot on other guns and feel they are gtg.
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Went with a aim sports Micro red dot. 20mm on a riser that allows for the irons to be utilized. $75. + a riser. Its tiny and keeps a zero. I use one on a 12ga. Reliable and inexpensive.
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I initially went with a Trijicon RMR but I realized when I went for a MOUT course and practiced clearing rooms, that I couldn't acquire the red dot fast enough as I shouldered the Scorpion. I purchased and replaced it a Eotech XPS2-0 and it seems faster!
Before with a Trijicon RMR
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And AFTER with a Eotech XPS2-0
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180613/8bbf80a72fd53e37bae4918f692d821d.jpg)
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Cheap and the best target picture I've seen for a red dot.
I placed 3rd out of 27 using this sight last weekend on pins and plates at 39 feet for our PCC only stage (and I'm slow).
https://practiscore.com/results/new/58891?q_result=1 (https://practiscore.com/results/new/58891?q_result=1)
TRU?BRITE? DUAL COLOR MULTI RETICLE
(https://www.truglo.com/images/TG8380B_n.jpg)
https://www.truglo.com/optics-red-dots/tru-brite-dual-color-multi-reticle-open-red-dot-sight.asp?catid=52E3D7409570433EBF69FA2CBEB51CA6 (https://www.truglo.com/optics-red-dots/tru-brite-dual-color-multi-reticle-open-red-dot-sight.asp?catid=52E3D7409570433EBF69FA2CBEB51CA6)
(http://behllc.drivehq.com/~buckshotbarry/images/Scorpion.jpg)
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I initially went with a Trijicon RMR but I realized when I went for a MOUT course and practiced clearing rooms, that I couldn't acquire the red dot fast enough as I shouldered the Scorpion. I purchased and replaced it a Eotech XPS2-0 and it seems faster!
I don't know, but maybe if you used a low mount for your RMR it would have helped with picking up the dot. I removed my irons and use a low mount with my RMR and the dot is right there when shouldering. However, I understand that you may need the irons for backup during a competition or course.
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I initially went with a Trijicon RMR but I realized when I went for a MOUT course and practiced clearing rooms, that I couldn't acquire the red dot fast enough as I shouldered the Scorpion. I purchased and replaced it a Eotech XPS2-0 and it seems faster!
I don't know, but maybe if you used a low mount for your RMR it would have helped with picking up the dot. I removed my irons and use a low mount with my RMR and the dot is right there when shouldering. However, I understand that you may need the irons for backup during a competition or course.
The high mount allowed me to use my iron sights if my RMR01 failed ( it was V1 which flickered if the battery contact failed). You rectify by placing a battery plate or some tape on the bottom.
In MOUT (Military Operations in Urban Terrain) training, it?s not competition and you are not standing upright most of the time. Rather you are mostly in a low, crouched position and angle your body when peeking in room as you ?slice the pie? as required.
Each time you need to lower your weapon to not obstruct your view of the room and then quick raise your weapon to aim at the potential target quickly. That?s when I found out there are instances when I couldn?t find the red dot fast enough to aim and the instructor said just use the silhouette of the optic as a guide!
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I recently put a Trijicon MRO on a high mount on my SBR Scorpion. It's okay. I had a Bushnell TRS25 and actually preferred it. The problem was that the Bushnell couldn't survive living in my trunk and would suffer from randomly turning itself off, not to mention its propensity to eat batteries.
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I recently put a Trijicon MRO on a high mount on my SBR Scorpion. It's okay. I had a Bushnell TRS25 and actually preferred it. The problem was that the Bushnell couldn't survive living in my trunk and would suffer from randomly turning itself off, not to mention its propensity to eat batteries.
If I may ask, what do you not like about the MRO? Is it the mount or the optic itself?
I ask because I am strongly considering an MRO myself... It seems like the most economic "Go to War Reliable" optic on the market.
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A guy I work with gave me a Vortex Spitfire. Hard to argue with free, bit before getting that I was thinking of getting one of Primary Arms 1-4 power scopes for $119.99.
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I don't have a scorpion.
I have a couple AR15 pistols. I have a DP Pro on one and one of the new Primary Arms advanced red dot sights. I can't say for sure, haven't had it long enough, but the battery is supposed to last 50,000 hrs. That's getting up there with the aimpoint battery life.
I believe I've got three of the PA advanced red dots now. All on AR15's. Two on pistols, about to put one on my wife's AR15 carbine (getting tired of pulling it out of the case and finding the Ludid has killed another battery without even being used (my wife shoots her CZ75 Compact but hardly ever shoots her AR15.)
This one. Check out the pics. They show it mounted on a scorpion. They most of known you'd be looking.
http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-advanced-micro-dot-with-push-buttons-and-up-to-50k-hour-battery-life-md-ads
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Sig Romeo 5. Cheaper than a AImpoint if you like that style. https://www.opticsplanet.com/sig-sauer-romeo5-x-compact-red-dot-sight-1x20mm-2-moa-red-dot-0-5-moa-adj-aaa-m1.html?_iv_code=SD9-RD-RCRDMRDM-SOR52001
Primary arms, an even cheaper alternative http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-micro-dot-with-removable-base-md-rb-ad
For a good optic though Ive really become fond of the Trijicon MRO Seen them 350 range with mounts on sale occasionally. Larger objective than the T1 type sights which I like. https://www.opticsplanet.com/trijicon-1x25mm-mro-2-0-moa-adj-red-dot-sight.html
Blends Eotech and AImpoint T1 in function. Larger field of view than T1, but same battery life as T1 instead of the 500hr on the Eotech
Run the Romeo 5 on my scorpion, because it came with the low mount, and the MRO on my carbine. Romeo lived on the carbine before the MRO came into the picture. And run the Primary arms Dot on my AK
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I recently put a Trijicon MRO on a high mount on my SBR Scorpion. It's okay. I had a Bushnell TRS25 and actually preferred it. The problem was that the Bushnell couldn't survive living in my trunk and would suffer from randomly turning itself off, not to mention its propensity to eat batteries.
If I may ask, what do you not like about the MRO? Is it the mount or the optic itself?
I ask because I am strongly considering an MRO myself... It seems like the most economic "Go to War Reliable" optic on the market.
Sorry for the late reply. I think most people would probably prefer the MRO over most other red dots. It's a great optic and it's nice to know that it will survive anything short of a nuclear blast. I personally prefer the smaller diameter of most other tube-style red dots. I had grown accustomed to my Bushnell and liked the style. The MRO is still new and I'm getting used to it, so the larger viewing area is taking some getting used to. That said, I can shoot it with both eyes open, which I couldn't do with the smaller style red dot.
I don't dislike it. I think I was just expecting to be blown away, considering how expensive it is relative to other red dots I've owned. Another minor quibble is that it is not perfectly machined. Even most cheap red dots are machined well look nice right out of the box. On the contrary, the MRO is forged rather crudely, so they come with a big gnarly welded seam and a bunch of small pock marks all over them. It's all just cosmetic stuff that doesn't matter, and I suspect that the imperfections are just the price you pay to have a forged housing rather than something milled from billet aluminum. But it nevertheless surprised me when I took it out of the box and it wasn't perfect. I should point out that my guns all get used hard, so it won't matter in the big picture. It was just surprising.
Lastly, I always thought I had trouble with red dot clarity because I was buying cheap red dots. After buying my MRO and then looking at some Aimpoints, I now realize that my eyes just can't see red dots clearly. I've given some thought to getting a small prism scope. I have a large prism scope on my AR and it's crystal clear to me.
All that to say, I think most people would prefer the MRO, and I probably will too in the long run. I was just accustomed to my Bushnell and I'm grumpy about change.
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I did placed a pre-order for a Primary Arms 1x Cyclops. I don't have a lot of Astigmatism but with this one I can use it without illumination since the reticle is etched. For the price of $240 is not bad. Now, I have to wait for the release of mid July. I don't know how it will co-witness. But with a etched reticle it doesn't matter if the power is out. Worst case would be a shattered glass; that is when you use your iron sights.
Anyways, here the link from Mike at Primary arms.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/1x-Prism-scope-/325-285110/&page=3
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I recently put a Trijicon MRO on a high mount on my SBR Scorpion. It's okay. I had a Bushnell TRS25 and actually preferred it. The problem was that the Bushnell couldn't survive living in my trunk and would suffer from randomly turning itself off, not to mention its propensity to eat batteries.
If I may ask, what do you not like about the MRO? Is it the mount or the optic itself?
I ask because I am strongly considering an MRO myself... It seems like the most economic "Go to War Reliable" optic on the market.
Sorry for the late reply. I think most people would probably prefer the MRO over most other red dots. It's a great optic and it's nice to know that it will survive anything short of a nuclear blast. I personally prefer the smaller diameter of most other tube-style red dots. I had grown accustomed to my Bushnell and liked the style. The MRO is still new and I'm getting used to it, so the larger viewing area is taking some getting used to. That said, I can shoot it with both eyes open, which I couldn't do with the smaller style red dot.
I don't dislike it. I think I was just expecting to be blown away, considering how expensive it is relative to other red dots I've owned. Another minor quibble is that it is not perfectly machined. Even most cheap red dots are machined well look nice right out of the box. On the contrary, the MRO is forged rather crudely, so they come with a big gnarly welded seam and a bunch of small pock marks all over them. It's all just cosmetic stuff that doesn't matter, and I suspect that the imperfections are just the price you pay to have a forged housing rather than something milled from billet aluminum. But it nevertheless surprised me when I took it out of the box and it wasn't perfect. I should point out that my guns all get used hard, so it won't matter in the big picture. It was just surprising.
Lastly, I always thought I had trouble with red dot clarity because I was buying cheap red dots. After buying my MRO and then looking at some Aimpoints, I now realize that my eyes just can't see red dots clearly. I've given some thought to getting a small prism scope. I have a large prism scope on my AR and it's crystal clear to me.
All that to say, I think most people would prefer the MRO, and I probably will too in the long run. I was just accustomed to my Bushnell and I'm grumpy about change.
Thank you for that excellent and thorough response.
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Thank you. Glad to help.
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I recently put a Trijicon MRO on a high mount on my SBR Scorpion. It's okay. I had a Bushnell TRS25 and actually preferred it. The problem was that the Bushnell couldn't survive living in my trunk and would suffer from randomly turning itself off, not to mention its propensity to eat batteries.
If I may ask, what do you not like about the MRO? Is it the mount or the optic itself?
I ask because I am strongly considering an MRO myself... It seems like the most economic "Go to War Reliable" optic on the market.
my guess would be the high mount, or the blueish tint it has. But honestly the tint you dont even notice in the real world. With the lower stock i dont really see the need to have any riser on the optics its self. I have my Romeo mounted on what i think they call direct mount base? its basically tall enough for just the pic rail to fit under the mount.
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I just picked up a Holosun HE510C-GR today at a gunshot, and am loving it so far. I personally like the higher mount, I don't have to squish my face down so far, and the view is not obstructed by the sights. It has a throw lever mount, remove it quickly if needed.
I haven't shot with it yet, but it's a nice piece of kit.
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Romeo4. Terrific optic for $200.
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For now Vortex Crossfire red dot $150, I also like that tall mount allows you to use the CZ iron sights
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Am using micro T2 on a scalarworks mount, on pistol. Went for the lower 1/3'rd, higher mount to allow for better sight picture with irons through the hollow portion of the mount. Pretty happy with it; am able to throw on an Eotech G33 magnifier quickly if desired (which flips out of the way too for iron sights).
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Totally comes down to personal preference. I have been happy with the Sig Romeo 5 on both of my Scorpions.
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I bought a used SIG-081 for my carbine. It co-witnesses and allows a solid cheek weld on the folding stock. I'm happy with it.
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Another vote for the Holosun 510.
20,000 hour battery life, comes a quick release, auto on motion sensor, waterproof, shockproof, etc.
And it looks good on the gun!
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The Vortex Spitfire 3 is all that... and a bag of chips!
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Trijicon MRO on the low mount works well with the factory irons.
The Vortex Crossfire red dot is a good budget option. Comes with a low and lower 1/3mount. Low mount sits like the MRO low mount.