Post by: jimjc on September 10, 2017, 08:19:01 PM
Some years back I tried to find a P01 without success, they were tough to find then.
Fast forward to today I purchased a P10c and love it, it runs smooth and strong. The after reading so many good reviews about the P07 and with the good feelings about the P10c I decided to purchase a P07 at a show this weekend, I found one and it came home with me.
So I boned up on the YOUTUBE videos and handled it for 2 days and I really like it a lot. It fits me perfectly has the safety and the decocker, I like having the choice.
The P10c is a upgrade to the Glocks I've owned and I like the P07 better than my HK P2000 especially when you take the price difference and the stock Omega trigger.
So what's left, I've decided to get a P01 urban gray with the Omega trigger like the P07 and maybe a SP01 Tactical in urban gray for the range.
So there you have it I'm going to be a CZ advocate into the future.
Post by: Indy_Tim on September 10, 2017, 09:43:05 PM
Post by: Mjolnir on September 10, 2017, 09:44:55 PM
The P-10 conceals better than the Glock 19. It's easier to shoot well to some degree on some drills - with the Gen 5 it does not appear to be so but let's call it a toss up. The P-07 still carries and conceals better.
I love LEM but I really love the P-07; something about the smooth DA (CGW pistol)...
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Post by: jimjc on September 10, 2017, 10:02:38 PM
Congrats and welcome to the addiction. I decided years ago to focus on the CZ platform for the family and while I did wander from the course a couple of years ago, I'm firmly on track myself. Sounds like you've found some of the best of the breed.
Well, I finally got around to it. In some ways it's good because I now know exactly what I'm looking for whereas before I was constantly looking buying and selling. I always knew CZ's were good guns but they were not as available as others were. Anyway there are still some guns I like other than CZ's but I like almost the whole line of CZ's so there are many to look forward to. Which CZ's are you involved with now.
Post by: jimjc on September 10, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
Nice!
The P-10 conceals better than the Glock 19. It's easier to shoot well to some degree on some drills - with the Gen 5 it does not appear to be so but let's call it a toss up. The P-07 still carries and conceals better.
I love LEM but I really love the P-07; something about the smooth DA (CGW pistol)...
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Yes I like the P07 better than my HK P2000 lem but it's a lem3 and the double action is heavy and the single action is heavier than the P07, I could have gone through changing the trigger to light LEM but why when I have a newer platform with the P07.
Post by: Cyanide on September 10, 2017, 11:45:13 PM
.I'm with you concerning the P-10 C over Glock, which has never really "fit" me without having major grip mods. All I need for my P-10 C is some night sights and I'm set. But it will probably still fit in behind my CZ 100 in the EDC rotation. Blasphemy, I know!!!
Keep us updated on your new found love interests and future additions to the family.
Post by: Indy_Tim on September 11, 2017, 08:45:07 AM
Congrats and welcome to the addiction. I decided years ago to focus on the CZ platform for the family and while I did wander from the course a couple of years ago, I'm firmly on track myself. Sounds like you've found some of the best of the breed.
Well, I finally got around to it. In some ways it's good because I now know exactly what I'm looking for whereas before I was constantly looking buying and selling. I always knew CZ's were good guns but they were not as available as others were. Anyway there are still some guns I like other than CZ's but I like almost the whole line of CZ's so there are many to look forward to. Which CZ's are you involved with now.
I've lost count, but think that I'm north of 17 in the collection. Almost a third of the collection are pre-B CZs. I'm a fan of the compacts too and have a compact 75B, P01, P07 (.40 and 9mm), P10C, SP01 Compact in both .40 and 9mm and a 40P. The others are a P09, SP01 Tac, 75B in .40 and a high polish 75B. My current favorite for carry is either the P01, P07 or P10C, with the P10 getting the most holster time lately. For shooting, it's a toss up between the full size 75B in .40 and an '88 model pre-B that's been fully Cajunized.
Post by: jimjc on September 11, 2017, 11:21:15 AM
Congrats and welcome to the addiction. I decided years ago to focus on the CZ platform for the family and while I did wander from the course a couple of years ago, I'm firmly on track myself. Sounds like you've found some of the best of the breed.
Well, I finally got around to it. In some ways it's good because I now know exactly what I'm looking for whereas before I was constantly looking buying and selling. I always knew CZ's were good guns but they were not as available as others were. Anyway there are still some guns I like other than CZ's but I like almost the whole line of CZ's so there are many to look forward to. Which CZ's are you involved with now.
I've lost count, but think that I'm north of 17 in the collection. Almost a third of the collection are pre-B CZs. I'm a fan of the compacts too and have a compact 75B, P01, P07 (.40 and 9mm), P10C, SP01 Compact in both .40 and 9mm and a 40P. The others are a P09, SP01 Tac, 75B in .40 and a high polish 75B. My current favorite for carry is either the P01, P07 or P10C, with the P10 getting the most holster time lately. For shooting, it's a toss up between the full size 75B in .40 and an '88 model pre-B that's been fully Cajunized.
Now you're the man! Nice collection I haven't got into the pre B's there's so much CZhas in new guns, I'll run out of money before I exhaust these. At least I'm keeping the guns down to 9mm which helps. It's a little difficult finding the Urban Gray models now at a decent price so I'll just keep pushing forward, it's a tough job :)
Post by: bunk22 on September 11, 2017, 10:15:49 PM
Nice!
The P-10 conceals better than the Glock 19. It's easier to shoot well to some degree on some drills - with the Gen 5 it does not appear to be so but let's call it a toss up. The P-07 still carries and conceals better.
I love LEM but I really love the P-07; something about the smooth DA (CGW pistol)...
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I don't believe the P10 conceals better than the G19, the 19 is smaller for one. A bit lighter for two, if that helps. As far as the Gen 5, not sure how it conceals with the flared grip but as far as a Gen 3 or 4, it conceals slightly easier for me.
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on September 12, 2017, 05:05:30 AM
Post by: Indy_Tim on September 12, 2017, 07:52:04 AM
PCR conceals better than all of them and it's not peelastic! ;)That's really of no benefit though. Plastic guns are ugly and need to be concealed but a PCR is beautiful and should be open carried to share it's beauty with everyone else.
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Post by: Mjolnir on September 12, 2017, 09:29:15 AM
Mine has the "Todd L. Green" spring set which is the HEAVY Trigger Return Spring, LIGHT Firing Pin Block Spring and I think the DA/SA Mainspring or Hammer Spring.Nice!
The P-10 conceals better than the Glock 19. It's easier to shoot well to some degree on some drills - with the Gen 5 it does not appear to be so but let's call it a toss up. The P-07 still carries and conceals better.
I love LEM but I really love the P-07; something about the smooth DA (CGW pistol)...
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Yes I like the P07 better than my HK P2000 lem but it's a lem3 and the double action is heavy and the single action is heavier than the P07, I could have gone through changing the trigger to light LEM but why when I have a newer platform with the P07.
Check the chart below.
With this configuration I won't ever sell it.
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Post by: SKILCZ on September 12, 2017, 10:50:07 AM
For years I've meant to get a CZ but I'd left the 1911 for lighter guns and all CZ's full sized guns are heavy.
Some years back I tried to find a P01 without success, they were tough to find then.
Fast forward to today I purchased a P10c and love it, it runs smooth and strong. The after reading so many good reviews about the P07 and with the good feelings about the P10c I decided to purchase a P07 at a show this weekend, I found one and it came home with me.
So I boned up on the YOUTUBE videos and handled it for 2 days and I really like it a lot. It fits me perfectly has the safety and the decocker, I like having the choice.
The P10c is a upgrade to the Glocks I've owned and I like the P07 better than my HK P2000 especially when you take the price difference and the stock Omega trigger.
So what's left, I've decided to get a P01 urban gray with the Omega trigger like the P07 and maybe a SP01 Tactical in urban gray for the range.
So there you have it I'm going to be a CZ advocate into the future.
Which do you like better between your P-10C and your P-07?
Post by: jimjc on September 12, 2017, 02:45:36 PM
For years I've meant to get a CZ but I'd left the 1911 for lighter guns and all CZ's full sized guns are heavy.
Some years back I tried to find a P01 without success, they were tough to find then.
Fast forward to today I purchased a P10c and love it, it runs smooth and strong. The after reading so many good reviews about the P07 and with the good feelings about the P10c I decided to purchase a P07 at a show this weekend, I found one and it came home with me.
So I boned up on the YOUTUBE videos and handled it for 2 days and I really like it a lot. It fits me perfectly has the safety and the decocker, I like having the choice.
The P10c is a upgrade to the Glocks I've owned and I like the P07 better than my HK P2000 especially when you take the price difference and the stock Omega trigger.
So what's left, I've decided to get a P01 urban gray with the Omega trigger like the P07 and maybe a SP01 Tactical in urban gray for the range.
So there you have it I'm going to be a CZ advocate into the future.
Which do you like better between your P-10C and your P-07?
I shot the P10c and it's a good shooter, accurate and with NO issues. This is going to be a difficult choice to choose one over another. I like striker fired guns but when you get a good DS action it's hard to beat, especially when you take the trigger into account. Cajun gun works does have some good stuff.
I'm not going to be one sided, they both are good guns and they fit my hands perfectly even though they fit differently. These are not going to be carried by me, I perfer smaller single stacks for that, so they will be home defense and range guns. I do have a 9mm race gun for the range and competition buy think these two guns could handle some comp. in certain matches if set up a little differently. The P07 has a threaded barrel which is about 1/2 inch longer which could be good for a little bit better for accuracy.
So all known you can't go wrong with either and I love both.
Post by: jimjc on September 12, 2017, 02:59:41 PM
Jimjc, welcome to the addiction! The P-07 is a great value and to me, far better than any overpriced HK. Had several different LEM models which didn't impress me at all so they found new homes fast. I prefer a real DAO
I'm with you concerning the P-10 C over Glock, which has never really "fit" me without having major grip mods. All I need for my P-10 C is some night sights and I'm set. But it will probably still fit in behind my CZ 100 in the EDC rotation. Blasphemy, I know!!!
Keep us updated on your new found love interests and future additions to the family.
I do think the HK's are overpriced but their new guns are coming down and even their older guns are being reduced. I still like my HK USP ( which I no longer have ) it was a tank that ran flawlessly but always too big of a grip as it turned out. If it had grip inserts for a size reduction I may very still have one, it's a great gun.
I'm not familiar with the CZ100, is it like the Canik or Tristar or does CZ have a CZ 100?
Post by: Cyanide on September 12, 2017, 06:36:09 PM
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I'm not familiar with the CZ100, is it like the Canik or Tristar or does CZ have a CZ 100?Jim, the CZ 100 was CZ's first striker-fire pistol, made from 1995-2006. 8 1/2# true DAO, 9mm versions were 13+1 (10+1 during mag cap ban years), and the .40 was 10+1. Very slim grip and ergonomic, just that MOST hate the trigger pull. But not me!
Here's one of mine beside my P-10 C.
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Post by: s0nspark on September 12, 2017, 06:44:10 PM
That chart sucks... let me try to find a better one.
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Post by: jimjc on September 12, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
QuoteI'm not familiar with the CZ100, is it like the Canik or Tristar or does CZ have a CZ 100?Jim, the CZ 100 was CZ's first striker-fire pistol, made from 1995-2006. 8 1/2# true DAO, 9mm versions were 13+1 (10+1 during mag cap ban years), and the .40 was 10+1. Very slim grip and ergonomic, just that MOST hate the trigger pull. But not me!
Here's one of mine beside my P-10 C.
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That's the first I've seen it, it's a nice looking gun. I'm not a cz historian haha but I'll be getting to know them in the future. So the trigger is a bit heavy, for defense that's not a bad idea though. It looks to be a bit smaller than the p10. Thanks
Post by: Cyanide on September 12, 2017, 07:13:30 PM
QuoteThat's the first I've seen it, it's a nice looking gun. I'm not a cz historian haha but I'll be getting to know them in the future. So the trigger is a bit heavy, for defense that's not a bad idea though. It looks to be a bit smaller than the p10. ThanksThanks! The trigger isn't heavy to me but, that's a different story for another time LOL. Here are a few more pictures of it beside the P-10 C, and an old set of pictures next to my P-07:
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Post by: jimjc on September 12, 2017, 09:48:00 PM
QuoteThat's the first I've seen it, it's a nice looking gun. I'm not a cz historian haha but I'll be getting to know them in the future. So the trigger is a bit heavy, for defense that's not a bad idea though. It looks to be a bit smaller than the p10. ThanksThanks! The trigger isn't heavy to me but, that's a different story for another time LOL. Here are a few more pictures of it beside the P-10 C, and an old set of pictures next to my P-07:
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You know it looks like a cousin of the P07, I like it. Have you shot it much?
Post by: Cyanide on September 12, 2017, 09:56:48 PM
Post by: SKILCZ on September 13, 2017, 02:36:33 PM
QuoteI'm not familiar with the CZ100, is it like the Canik or Tristar or does CZ have a CZ 100?Jim, the CZ 100 was CZ's first striker-fire pistol, made from 1995-2006. 8 1/2# true DAO, 9mm versions were 13+1 (10+1 during mag cap ban years), and the .40 was 10+1. Very slim grip and ergonomic, just that MOST hate the trigger pull. But not me!
Here's one of mine beside my P-10 C.
Nice stipple job on your CZ 100.
Post by: wdbutcher on September 16, 2017, 11:19:39 PM
For years I've meant to get a CZ but I'd left the 1911 for lighter guns and all CZ's full sized guns are heavy.Congratulations! You're on the right path my friend :)
Some years back I tried to find a P01 without success, they were tough to find then.
Fast forward to today I purchased a P10c and love it, it runs smooth and strong. The after reading so many good reviews about the P07 and with the good feelings about the P10c I decided to purchase a P07 at a show this weekend, I found one and it came home with me.
So I boned up on the YOUTUBE videos and handled it for 2 days and I really like it a lot. It fits me perfectly has the safety and the decocker, I like having the choice.
The P10c is a upgrade to the Glocks I've owned and I like the P07 better than my HK P2000 especially when you take the price difference and the stock Omega trigger.
So what's left, I've decided to get a P01 urban gray with the Omega trigger like the P07 and maybe a SP01 Tactical in urban gray for the range.
So there you have it I'm going to be a CZ advocate into the future.
Post by: Cyanide on September 17, 2017, 12:32:41 AM
Nice stipple job on your CZ 100.Thank you! Was done by one of my local gunsmiths back home.
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Post by: DOC 1500 on September 17, 2017, 05:38:27 PM
Post by: Winkel on September 17, 2017, 06:31:45 PM
Why don't you perform all the magic yourself there's plenty of information videos and threads on the Forum to do that.Indeed, and it's very gratifying.
I LOVE taking a new pistol and shooting it from a rest to see how it groups. Then tinker a little and try it again. When those groups shrink, you know you've done some good.
Post by: DOC 1500 on September 17, 2017, 06:51:17 PM
YEP ^^^^^^^ !!!! DIY... most gratifying!!Why don't you perform all the magic yourself there's plenty of information videos and threads on the Forum to do that.Indeed, and it's very gratifying.
I LOVE taking a new pistol and shooting it from a rest to see how it groups. Then tinker a little and try it again. When those groups shrink, you know you've done some good.
Post by: nova3930 on September 17, 2017, 07:17:59 PM
Single largest brand in my collection with a 50, 52, 70, 75, 82, 83, p10c and a scorpion, soon to add an p07 and maybe a shadow and any older ones I can find
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Post by: Chef Jeff on September 17, 2017, 08:29:10 PM
Why don't you perform all the magic yourself there's plenty of information videos and threads on the Forum to do that.
I'm perfectly comfortable tearing into a 1911. Been shooting and tinkering with them for a long time now. Short of swapping out a decocker for a thumb safety, I just haven't really dug into CZs. I agree that I would be doing myself a favor by learning how to work on the 75 platform. So I'll throw this out there, with apologies to the OP for this momentary derail: using the factory fire control system, is there anything I can do to make a noticeable improvement in trigger pull? Links to videos would be great. Mostly the reason I've been considering CGW is because of the rave reviews I've been hearing the last couple of years.
Post by: DOC 1500 on September 21, 2017, 06:07:15 PM
Go to joemustang99 videos on YouTube he has one for complete disassembly and reassembly of the po7 ....then go to the sticky at the top of this section of the Forum and read everything in the smooth and tune.Why don't you perform all the magic yourself there's plenty of information videos and threads on the Forum to do that.
I'm perfectly comfortable tearing into a 1911. Been shooting and tinkering with them for a long time now. Short of swapping out a decocker for a thumb safety, I just haven't really dug into CZs. I agree that I would be doing myself a favor by learning how to work on the 75 platform. So I'll throw this out there, with apologies to the OP for this momentary derail: using the factory fire control system, is there anything I can do to make a noticeable improvement in trigger pull? Links to videos would be great. Mostly the reason I've been considering CGW is because of the rave reviews I've been hearing the last couple of years.
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=66147.msg449572#msg449572
Post by: DOC 1500 on September 21, 2017, 07:46:30 PM
Got this message from a friend in the Forum he passed it along to me I'll pass it along to you and you and everybody else should do the same.Why don't you perform all the magic yourself there's plenty of information videos and threads on the Forum to do that.
I'm perfectly comfortable tearing into a 1911. Been shooting and tinkering with them for a long time now. Short of swapping out a decocker for a thumb safety, I just haven't really dug into CZs. I agree that I would be doing myself a favor by learning how to work on the 75 platform. So I'll throw this out there, with apologies to the OP for this momentary derail: using the factory fire control system, is there anything I can do to make a noticeable improvement in trigger pull? Links to videos would be great. Mostly the reason I've been considering CGW is because of the rave reviews I've been hearing the last couple of years.
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Ok - here is the rundown... just as an FYI, this is generally geared around the P-07/P09 series but the general idea applies to almost every CZ - the specific part options may just differ :)
As discussed in the thread, the two weak points, historically, with CZs has been the trigger return spring, the firing pin retaining pin and the slide stop. Generally, if something has broken on a stock gun it is one of those parts (and, of course, the slide stop usually only fails after suffering a ton of rounds through the gun...)
I would replace the retaining pin and the trigger return spring with the ones from Cajun Gun Works at a minimum. It has been suggested that CZ went through a period where the TRS materials they sourced were somehow out of spec and that is what caused the unexpected breakages. Many folks don't bother replacing the stock part - they just make sure they keep a spare or 2 handy. I prefer to play it safer... the CGW parts are better parts to begin with. The slide stop is usually only a concern as your round count rises but, again, I choose to keep a spare on hand to minimize down time if one breaks.
As for the other upgrades, for the P-07/P-09 series they improve either the double action or single action trigger press.
Out of the box I find the DA press rather heavy on most CZs and sometimes it is not very smooth - the Omega triggers do seem better in this regard, but the issues are still there. To address them you would do the following things:
1) Replace the stock 20# hammer spring (HS) with an 18# (defensive use) or a 15# (competition/range use) CGW spring- this lowers the DA pull weight. Actually, using the CGW TRS reduces the DA weight by about 1/2# too. You would opt for the 15# HS only for competition use, really, because it limits your ammo choices and generally is better suited to those who reload and can choose softer primers.
2) Replacing the HS requires you to, at least, replace the FP spring as well because a lighter hammer spring reduces the amount of force the hammer strikes the FP with and, if you pair that with the stock FP spring, you run the risk of light strikes.
3) I also replace the stock FP with the CGW extended FP in my defensive guns, just to make sure the gun goes bang when it should. This is not strictly necessary, though, for range use.
4) Another small upgrade that helps to smooth out the DA press is the firing pin block plunger spring - this is a reduced power spring that does not affect function but reduces the feel of disabling the block during the trigger press.
5) The final component of the DA upgrade parts is the roller - the stock roller sometimes results in a less than smooth trigger press and timing issues. The CGW part addresses all of this.
The SA out of the box is not as crisp as it could be and there is a bit of creep there usually. The reset is also not as short as it could be. To address that you would do the following:
1) Replace the hammer. The CGW hammer (or the CZ Custom hammer) changes the geometry and allows for a super crisp break with no creep and very little, if any, overtravel.
2) Replace the trigger. CGW makes an trigger with an adjustable overtravel screw - this will allow you to totally eliminate any overtravel.
3) install the CGW short reset kit. This actually includes the FP and FP spring as well as a better quality lifter and disconnector. The lifter and disconnector and tuned to reduce the reset point by 40-50%.
4) if you find that the SA trigger is lighter than yu would like after these upgrades you can swap in a heavier sear spring - there are basically 2 heavier options, depending on how much heavier you want to go.
Upgrades for other CZs follow similar a path - there are a few more options available there, though - more hammer spring weights, etc... There is also a reach reduction kit available for those guns that can help if you find the DA trigger position to be too far out there. Another option is CZ Custom's flat trigger - it has a cool shape and, again, reduces the trigger reach. Sadly my fingers are too long to even consider that.
I know this is a lot to take in... don't let it overwhelm you :) A lot of it comes down to how you intend to use the gun. Just know you have options to tune it as much as you may want.
Anyway, hope this helps... feel free to hit me up with questions anytime!
Post by: Chef Jeff on September 23, 2017, 12:02:53 PM