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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ SP-01 and variants => Topic started by: Underwhere on October 09, 2018, 11:23:30 PM
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Just be aware this is somewhat of a dramatic post. :)
I picked up my TSO (91261) today that I purchased through GrabAGun.
I was very excited. Since I purchased online I wasn't able to handle the gun.
I didn't know whether it was a pre-2019 model or a 2019 model. My expectations were either that:
2018 model:
- Bad - Plastic trigger (eh. somewhat bad. Maybe I'll replace with a metal one)
- Bad - Mild extended safety on both sides (I'd need to replace this with the S2 or CZC)
- Bad - Mild mag release (I'd need to replace this with the S2)
- Saving grace - Thin trigger guard
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2019 model:
- Good - Metal trigger (save me $40 bucks)
- Good - S2 safety (save me $88 bucks)
- Good - S2 mag release (save me $35 bucks)
- Bad - The standard 75 squared trigger guard (I think I could live with this if I received all the other good features)
What I actually received was some sort of mixed bag (transitional) model with ALL the bad features of both guns. 2018 date on the slide
- Bad - Plastic trigger
- Bad - Mild safety
- Bad - Mild mag release
- Bad - The standard 75 squared trigger guard
So just be aware if you are buying a TSO...as with many things CZ you never know what you're going to get. Some of my CZ's are definitely a mixed bag of parts.
The trigger pull came in at 1# 5.8 ounces
Happy Halloween?
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And then I blended the magwell
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Sorry you got the ?short stick?... with a few things it sounds like it will be fantastic though. Your blending looks good!
I got to hold a TSO a few months ago and it changed me. Literally, I felt my left hand grip change a little to get the gas peddle and something clicked. Now my left hand grips higher and my thumb sort of gets on top of the far end of the slide stop. It never alters function but I can notice the muzzle flip is reduced. So much so that after my last shooting outing I came back and checked my powder charge to see if it had fallen out of adjustment. NOPE!
That?s my long winded way of saying I am jealous, I wish it was practical to have a gas peddle on more pistols, and I hope you find great love with your TSO!
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Sorry you got the ?short stick?... with a few things it sounds like it will be fantastic though. Your blending looks good!
I got to hold a TSO a few months ago and it changed me. Literally, I felt my left hand grip change a little to get the gas peddle and something clicked. Now my left hand grips higher and my thumb sort of gets on top of the far end of the slide stop. It never alters function but I can notice the muzzle flip is reduced. So much so that after my last shooting outing I came back and checked my powder charge to see if it had fallen out of adjustment. NOPE!
That?s my long winded way of saying I am jealous, I wish it was practical to have a gas peddle on more pistols, and I hope you find great love with your TSO!
Already need to order new parts to compensate for the ones on the gun.
Larger gas pedal. Extended safety at a minimum.
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OP- I understand where you're coming from. I'm in the market for a Czechmate and came across similar 'issues', in that there really isn't a 'standard' pistol configuration (for CM and perhaps TSOs) from CZ at the moment. I've seen a lot of different combinations of checkering, trigger guard profile and barrels. I'm holding out for a bit longer to see what changes the 2019 models will have.
As for your pistol, the plastic trigger and large mag release aren't the proverbial end of the world :) I have both on my TSO and they feel/shoot very well.
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I don't understand why CZ does this? This makes it very frustrating to source parts/accessories for their guns.
It's like they have different amounts of leftover parts and they just consume them till gone. My biggest grip with the new TSO is the trigger guard, why did they revert back to the original/standard design?
I was planning on replacing the stock trigger but have found that there is no need. It performs really well.
Hey the magwell looks good. How are you going to refinish the aluminum magwell? I did the same to my TSO but I didn't touch the aluminum. I just blued the steel frame.
Cheers,
Toby
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That trigger guard is disappointing, makes no sense to me. I was close to buying a TSO, but when I added up all the changes I needed to make I decided to go ahead and build myself a 2011. I hope your TSO turns out the way you want it, the magwell is a good start.
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Looks great! That didn?t take long for you to jump on some modifications [emoji16]
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How to you plan on refinishing the gun after blending?
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I can understand your frustration.
Nice blending one the mag well. What did you use to blend it?
I was actually hoping to get the old style trigger guard when I bought my czechmate so I don?t have to buy a new insert for my DAA race master holster but I got the new style trigger guard. I ended up buying another insert because DAA sells two different inserts.
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More like, "Trick or Treat!" I don't think you're being dramatic at all. You spent serious $ on a TSO and what you got was something that needed 'fixed' straight out of the box. Not cool.
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Hey the magwell looks good. How are you going to refinish the aluminum magwell? I did the same to my TSO but I didn't touch the aluminum. I just blued the steel frame.
How to you plan on refinishing the gun after blending?
Nice blending one the mag well. What did you use to blend it?
- To blend the magwell I taped off the gun, removed the grip panels and stuffed a towel inside the grip area to prevent metal from making into the hammer spring area and action.
- I kept the magwell on the gun because I wanted the fitment to be as seamless as possible.
- I used a Dremel 9904 carbide cutting tip to remove and flatten everything, trying to continue the angle of the magwell onto the frame
- I used a variety of thin sanding drums to finish it off 150, 320, 600
- Then I polished it with a buffing bit and some Mothers Mag polish
Note: Wear a mask and gloves and a long sleeve shirt. The tens if not hundreds of metal shavings will splinter and get into your skin. Ask me how I know.
I don't plan on refinishing the aluminum magwell portion. I don't see a point. It's going to get banged up every time I inserted a mag. After taking my pics I gouged it 3 or 4 times inserting mags in it for about 1 minute. The metal is soft.
As far as the steel is concerned....well I'm not really. I could blue it but I don't want to use a pen or some cold blue that doesn't really protect it. If anything I could rust blue the bottom of the frame. I don't know what boiling would do to the polycoat though. I may just leave it as-is.
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1. Great job on the magwell blending.
2. Have you tried to fit an S2 mag release on the TSO frame? It tried on a TS and it came out way too short. Is there something I missed?
3. Still congrats on a sweet firearm. If you can't live with it put it up for sale I'm sure there is plenty of interest and that way you can fund the one you really want. Heck PM me. Haha
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There?s nothing wrong with the gun or the parts. You may prefer different parts but that?s your choice.
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1. Great job on the magwell blending.
2. Have you tried to fit an S2 mag release on the TSO frame? It tried on a TS and it came out way too short. Is there something I missed?
3. Still congrats on a sweet firearm. If you can't live with it put it up for sale I'm sure there is plenty of interest and that way you can fund the one you really want. Heck PM me. Haha
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The S2 safety fits the TS, TSO & CM. I think you may have forgotten to push the safety detent back when inserting it.
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Inquiring about the S2 mag release. Safety is easy.
1. Great job on the magwell blending.
2. Have you tried to fit an S2 mag release on the TSO frame? It tried on a TS and it came out way too short. Is there something I missed?
3. Still congrats on a sweet firearm. If you can't live with it put it up for sale I'm sure there is plenty of interest and that way you can fund the one you really want. Heck PM me. Haha
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The S2 safety fits the TS, TSO & CM. I think you may have forgotten to push the safety detent back when inserting it.
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Inquiring about the S2 mag release. Safety is easy. 1. Great job on the magwell blending.
2. Have you tried to fit an S2 mag release on the TSO frame? It tried on a TS and it came out way too short. Is there something I missed?
3. Still congrats on a sweet firearm. If you can't live with it put it up for sale I'm sure there is plenty of interest and that way you can fund the one you really want. Heck PM me. Haha
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The S2 safety fits the TS, TSO & CM. I think you may have forgotten to push the safety detent back when inserting it.
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I'll measure both guns tonight.
From what I have read, the external dimensions work but the internal dimensions of the S2 release need to be opened up to allow the mag to fit properly.
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Inquiring about the S2 mag release. Safety is easy. 1. Great job on the magwell blending.
2. Have you tried to fit an S2 mag release on the TSO frame? It tried on a TS and it came out way too short. Is there something I missed?
3. Still congrats on a sweet firearm. If you can't live with it put it up for sale I'm sure there is plenty of interest and that way you can fund the one you really want. Heck PM me. Haha
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The S2 safety fits the TS, TSO & CM. I think you may have forgotten to push the safety detent back when inserting it.
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I'll measure both guns tonight.
From what I have read, the external dimensions work but the internal dimensions of the S2 release need to be opened up to allow the mag to fit properly.
Yup. I almost went that route.
I still have the mag release in my parts bin. I also thought about grinding down then drilling and tapping the existing TSO mag release so I can install the shadow 2 mag release pad but the TSO mag release is hardened steel. I don?t want to risk breaking the tap so I ended not doing it.
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Yup. I almost went that route.
I still have the mag release in my parts bin.
Glad I'm not the only one ::) I installed the S2 release only to discover that TS mags would not insert past the mag release, as it is too narrow, being designed for the slimmer grip of the S2. I did try standard 75 mags and found that they fit and locked in fine. I still have that mag release in my 'oh well' parts bin.
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Yup. I almost went that route.
I still have the mag release in my parts bin.
Glad I'm not the only one ::) I installed the S2 release only to discover that TS mags would not insert past the mag release, as it is too narrow, being designed for the slimmer grip of the S2. I did try standard 75 mags and found that they fit and locked in fine. I still have that mag release in my 'oh well' parts bin.
It doesn't look too hard to dremel away the curved portion of the S2 mag release to fit the TSO mags.
Is there another place that needs to be relieved?
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this thread made me check mine lol, also not like a makes a difference but the grips on the 2019 actually say ORANGE on them as well as the base plates
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this thread made me check mine lol, also not like a makes a difference but the grips on the 2019 actually say ORANGE on them as well as the base plates
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Nice.
I had to spend 60 to 70 bucks and 1.5 hours of time to get a new safety and mag pad retrofitted to mine to have the same convenient ergonomics as yours.
Oh well. It's a CZ. It's what I expect.
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Not a fan of the Orange plastered on the grips. :o
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2. Have you tried to fit an S2 mag release on the TSO frame? It tried on a TS and it came out way too short. Is there something I missed?
You didn't 'miss' anything. The S2 mag release will physically fit a TS/TSO frame, however good luck getting any TS/TSO mags to seat :) If you compare a TS mag to a standard CZ75, you'll see the TS is wider. This means that the S2 mag release is narrower (inside of the "U") than a TS one, because of the mags.
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2. Have you tried to fit an S2 mag release on the TSO frame? It tried on a TS and it came out way too short. Is there something I missed?
You didn't 'miss' anything. The S2 mag release will physically fit a TS/TSO frame, however good luck getting any TS/TSO mags to seat :) If you compare a TS mag to a standard CZ75, you'll see the TS is wider. This means that the S2 mag release is narrower (inside of the "U") than a TS one, because of the mags.
In another thread I drilled and tapped the TSO mag release and put on the S2 pad. Works great.
I think you can grind away part of the S2 release and it will work. (haven't tried)
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Very good info! Looking at TSO now.