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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ82 & CZ83 CLUB => Topic started by: Rock-it3 on January 05, 2019, 06:46:16 PM
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Hi guys. I went to a local gun show today here in PA, not looking for anything in particular, but wanting to spend a little of my Christmas bonus on myself. There was a small batch of CZ-82's, all in about the same condition as the one I brought home. 1988 production, 2 mags (1 not original), leather holster, and cleaning rod. $325, plus tax and PICS. More than what I wanted to pay, but prices aren't going down, are they. If it shoots good, it may be a candidate for refinishing.
One small issue needing to be resolved - the safety lever is very sloppy, without a firm click, and does not stay in place. It does function, and does not disengage, but it does concern me that it could easily become disengaged without my knowing it. I did a quick search here, and a thread mentioned a missing hardened ball. I disassembled enough to see the ball is in place, but it doesn't seem to make contact with the lever, nor does the ball have any movement. I'm not sure if it should have movement, but I am sure it should contact the lever. Any help is appreciated.
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You may get some info on the safety here. The 82 being same as the 83.
https://youtu.be/Yv31Mr1XLsE
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Thank for the video, Blaiwayw! After watching a bit of it, I know the problem. Parts 35 Safety Latch and 36 Safety Latch Spring are not existing in my pistol. That explains the sloppiness, no doubt. Now to find them somewhere. Any ideas on a source?
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Thank for the video, Blaiwayw! After watching a bit of it, I know the problem. Parts 35 Safety Latch and 36 Safety Latch Spring are not existing in my pistol. That explains the sloppiness, no doubt. Now to find them somewhere. Any ideas on a source?
CZ-USA has them in stock -
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/0330046001_Safety-Latch-83
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/0330047002_Safety-Latch-Spring-83
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Thank for the video, Blaiwayw! After watching a bit of it, I know the problem. Parts 35 Safety Latch and 36 Safety Latch Spring are not existing in my pistol. That explains the sloppiness, no doubt. Now to find them somewhere. Any ideas on a source?
CZ-USA has them in stock -
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/0330046001_Safety-Latch-83
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/0330047002_Safety-Latch-Spring-83
Awesome, thanks. I did find each one in stock at different places, but no one had both. I didn't think to check CZ-USA. Order being placed, but I think I will contact the seller and ask for the cost of the parts to be refunded. I think even a surplus gun ought not to have important safety parts missing. What do you think?
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A fair point but I rather tend to lump surplus into the ?you takes yer chances? category and consider them to be sold ?as is?. I guess it never hurts to ask but unless there was some sort of functionality guarantee, well...
I do think it?s an excellent candidate for refinishing, however. Get some new springs and bring it back to life!
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I received the latch and spring from CZ-USA today. I dry fitted the latch into the safety lever, minus the spring, and it required zero fitting. A bit of lube, some care in handling the tiny spring, and within 5 minutes the pistol was reassembled. Now the safety snaps sharply and firmly on and off, with no movement whatsoever in either position. I am much relieved, and now am comfortable taking it to the range. I just need to make some time. Thanks again for the tip on finding the parts, eastman.
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I finally got to the range today to shoot the CZ-82. It was a brisk and breezy 30 degrees here in PA, so it was a fairly quick trip, and my first trip to the range in a few months. I was shooting Fiocchi 95 grain FMJ. This first target is the first magazine through it for me. Shot at 25 yards since there were others at the line and I couldn't move forward. Not bad for 25 yards and a rusty shooter, I think. I shot a few more magazines at 25 yards, then, the range emptied, so I moved forward to 7 yards.
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Second target is two full magazines from 7 yards, probably shooting at 1 shot every two seconds, so not rapid fire, but not taking time on every shot, either. I think I am going to enjoy this pistol. Refinishing with cerakote, and carrying may be in it's future.
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Anybody have any feedback on good range and carry ammo. The Fiocchi worked fine, but just looking for info.
By the way, the two factory magazines I have (with crossed swords, dimples, and no seams) worked flawlessly, but the one with mfg CZ (no swords, no dimples, and very visible seams) had a stoppage each time I used it. first time was in the middle of the magazine, and was fixed with a firm whack on the bottom of the grip. The second time was on the last round of the magazine. The last round wound up pointing straight up, but still in the magazine. Required locking the slide and dropping the mag to clear. I concur with others that the mags marked "mfg CZ" are garbage. Don't waste money on them.
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Hiya Rock-it, thx for the thread, congrats on the purchase and thats really excellent shooting at 7 yds.My platform was the last year they made the Cz-83, so assume its very similar. Your ammo choices will often depend on whats avail and how much you care to spend, but wall marts fed ammo should also run fine.I made the mistake of buying some steel cased russian ammo from wallmart it was cheap but didn't like feeding out of the mags.Your one mag may benefit by cleaning and lubing the spring. As far as carry ammo I preferred federal hollow points,dedicated a mag for the HP so I'd not need to unload it for range shooting.But the lack of penetration power of even +p kinda made it a backup at best. I also had safety work done as the right sided one was super tight,and Stu did a short reset and trigger job on it.The Marchel wood stained grips with thumb and finger grooves made it nice looking,but did suffer a vibrational crack of said wood at one side near thumb grip.Welcome to visit my profile to view pic in old post. Its a nice addition to your collection. Be well.
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My vz82 usually gets Brown Bear or Silver Bear (mostly Silver) for range use. PPU, Fiocchi and S&B are also good to go. I buy mostly steel case 9mm Mak since the Polish P-64 pistols I have will choke on the soft PPU brass.
For carry, I have Hornady Critical Defense 9mm Mak loaded up. When I lived one state farther south, I shot my CCW qualification with the vz82.
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I've settled for Monarch from Academy for the range. Cheap consistent steel case. I usually hit it when it goes on sale.
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Hiya Rock-it, thx for the thread, congrats on the purchase and thats really excellent shooting at 7 yds.My platform was the last year they made the Cz-83, so assume its very similar. Your ammo choices will often depend on whats avail and how much you care to spend, but wall marts fed ammo should also run fine.I made the mistake of buying some steel cased russian ammo from wallmart it was cheap but didn't like feeding out of the mags.Your one mag may benefit by cleaning and lubing the spring. As far as carry ammo I preferred federal hollow points,dedicated a mag for the HP so I'd not need to unload it for range shooting.But the lack of penetration power of even +p kinda made it a backup at best. I also had safety work done as the right sided one was super tight,and Stu did a short reset and trigger job on it.The Marchel wood stained grips with thumb and finger grooves made it nice looking,but did suffer a vibrational crack of said wood at one side near thumb grip.Welcome to visit my profile to view pic in old post. Its a nice addition to your collection. Be well.
Thanks for the compliment, Adrian. From the things I have read on here, and from my experience today, I think it may not be worth it to hang onto a bad magazine. Maybe I will try to tweak it a bit to see what happens, though. I don't like lubing magazines though. It seems to me lube would collect dirt and grit, which could cause problems.
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Meguire's auto polish is good for making the insides of a mag slick, but not sticky. They are actually easier to clean after they are polished (carbon and gunk wipes right off).
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Meguire's auto polish is good for making the insides of a mag slick, but not sticky. They are actually easier to clean after they are polished (carbon and gunk wipes right off).
HA! I haven't polished a vehicle in years, so I don't have any Meguire's polish.
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Meguire's auto polish is good for making the insides of a mag slick, but not sticky. They are actually easier to clean after they are polished (carbon and gunk wipes right off).
HA! I haven't polished a vehicle in years, so I don't have any Meguire's polish.
I've never polished a car. One can of Meguire's is a lifetime supply of magazine maintenance.
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Meguire's auto polish is good for making the insides of a mag slick, but not sticky. They are actually easier to clean after they are polished (carbon and gunk wipes right off).
HA! I haven't polished a vehicle in years, so I don't have any Meguire's polish.
I've never polished a car. One can of Meguire's is a lifetime supply of magazine maintenance.
Meguire's is what I used to use when I used to polish my cars. I liked it, it seemed to do a good job, and the cars looked good when finished. Maybe I will pick up a container next time I am in Advance Auto. However, I don't think it will help that junk magazine.
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Meguire's auto polish is good for making the insides of a mag slick, but not sticky. They are actually easier to clean after they are polished (carbon and gunk wipes right off).
HA! I haven't polished a vehicle in years, so I don't have any Meguire's polish.
I've never polished a car. One can of Meguire's is a lifetime supply of magazine maintenance.
Meguire's is what I used to use when I used to polish my cars. I liked it, it seemed to do a good job, and the cars looked good when finished. Maybe I will pick up a container next time I am in Advance Auto. However, I don't think it will help that junk magazine.
Meguire's will make a good magazine great, but it can't work miracles
if you use it to polish a "cz mfg" turd, you'll end up with a shiny turd :o
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Aim surplus has original mags for 82/83 $17.95 with a leather mag pouch. They are the real deal.
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Second range trip with the CZ-82. The only ammo I can buy locally is Fiocchi, but it seems to shoot fine and fairly accurately. I shot over 100 rounds of it, with the two crossed swords magazines, and 1 CZ mfg magazine. The crossed swords were flawless, but the CZ mfg (I shouldn't even capitalize CZ) was terrible. First magazine full, no issues, second, failed to lock the slide on the last round, and third, four fails to go into battery, three requiring dropping the mag to clear. Time to toss that one into the recycle bin.
After the Fiocchi, I switched to Hornady Critical Defense. I put 50 rounds through. It was extremely accurate, and hit point-of-aim at 10 yards. Also, the recoil was pretty mild, much less sharp than the Fiocchi. Hornady list 1000 fps for the 95 grain Critical defense, while the Fiocchi 95 gr is shown at 1020 fps (on the Midway website). I don't think 20 fps can account for the difference in felt recoil, the Hornady seems softer than a 20 fps difference. However, the Hornady ammo functioned flawlessly (I did not use the cz mfg mag) and, as I mentioned, was very accurate. Another range trip without any pistol or ammo issues and I will feel comfortable carrying this pistol for self-defense.
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A difference in the powder burn rate (i.e., impulse) for the manufacturers' powder may account for that. Different manufacturers use different powders and different lots of the same powder.
Anyway, it's good to hear you're getting good results. And good call in junking those "Khyber Pass" cz mfg mags.
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I did actually find a good use for one of the "cz mfg" vz82/CZ83 magazines. There is a company that makes a front pocket magazine carrier (clips to the pocket much like a folding knife). They make a number of patterns, but of course vz82 isn't on their list (at the moment). They will be using the garbage mag to determine the correct mag carrier for the vz82 (or to make one if it doesn't drop into an existing pattern).
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That's great, please keep us informed as some of us may want to purchase. That's a great idea, hope you like. Enjoy!
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That's great, please keep us informed as some of us may want to purchase. That's a great idea, hope you like. Enjoy!
I'll post pictures when I get the new mag carrier. I already have one which is correct for P-07 & P-10c mags. In addition to the vz82 mag, I sent them a CZ 75 Compact magazine and a Kimber-branded magazine for an Officers' Model 1911 in 9mm.
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A while back I picked up a CZ-83 in very nice condition. I thought to buy extra mags and got a couple of those "cz" mags that have no dimple at the bottom. These are garbage mags that never work properly and I am fair certain they are commonly known to be counterfeit. Buying the real thing with dimple is the only thing that makes sense, they always work.
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A while back I picked up a CZ-83 in very nice condition. I thought to buy extra mags and got a couple of those "cz" mags that have no dimple at the bottom. These are garbage mags that never work properly and I am fair certain they are commonly known to be counterfeit. Buying the real thing with dimple is the only thing that makes sense, they always work.
the fakes have a visible seam in the magazine body
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A while back I picked up a CZ-83 in very nice condition. I thought to buy extra mags and got a couple of those "cz" mags that have no dimple at the bottom. These are garbage mags that never work properly and I am fair certain they are commonly known to be counterfeit. Buying the real thing with dimple is the only thing that makes sense, they always work.
Post some pics of the 83!
Yes, several of us have determined that the cz mfg mags are junk. I won't buy any more, that's for sure (the one I have came with the pistol, a cheap way to add a second magazine to entice a sale, I guess)
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A while back I picked up a CZ-83 in very nice condition. I thought to buy extra mags and got a couple of those "cz" mags that have no dimple at the bottom. These are garbage mags that never work properly and I am fair certain they are commonly known to be counterfeit. Buying the real thing with dimple is the only thing that makes sense, they always work.
the fakes have a visible seam in the magazine body
Something else I noticed last time at the range. The cutout on the left top side, at the feed lips, where the follower contacts the slide stop, is made differently than factory mags. On the cheapy mag, it is ground thru the wall of the magazine, and leaves a sharp edge all around, and a sharp point on the rear edge of the little slot. I wonder if the cartridges hang up on the sharp edge as they are rising/feeding. It may be worth the effort to do a bit of dremelling and polishing.
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I filed the crap out of the inside of mine - no sharp edges or snags and the mags still misfed. Don't bother wasting your time. The only spec met on the cz mfg mags is the price point.
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I have put probably 600 rounds of Fiochhi and 200 rounds of Hornady through this pistol, and apart from the crap magazine, not a single failure. And this pistol is very accurate! The more I shoot it, the more I like it. It is one of the best purchases I have ever made. Time to get it refinished, re-springed, and new grips.
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Shout-out to Brian Ahearn (who is a member here under his name) at Easton Firearms Refinishing! I dropped the CZ-82 off at his shop (about an hour and a half from where I live) on 10/5/2019. He called on 10/14/2019 to tell me it was finished, and I picked it up an 10/19/2019. I am quite pleased with the 9-day turnaround, and very impressed by the quality of the finish. It seems very clean, smooth, and even. Brain also put the new springs (which I purchased separately) in when he re-assembled it. Anyone considering cerakoting would do well to talk to Brian, he is also a really nice guy and pleasant to talk with.
The colors are Burnt Bronze on the frame and Graphite Black in the slide and controls. I love the added touch of Burnt Bronze at the breech and on the muzzle. Brian also painted the sights Bright White with nail polish, which makes them really stand out against the black. Let me know what you think.
I ordered a set of Walnut grips from CZ-USA (through Midway, who gives a 10% birthday discount), which should arrive late this week, but I couldn't wait to post these pics. I will post with the new grips installed.
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Nice two tone finish. I've got a 1988-built model, too. Love it.
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Nice two tone finish. I've got a 1988-built model, too. Love it.
Thanks. They are great pistols, and this one is a really good shooter.
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And here it is with the new grips installed. CZ-USA walnut grips. They required minor fitting, which is what I expected from reading the reviews, and they are a little darker than I was expecting from the website images. Overall, I like them, but I wonder if there is a way to lighten the color at all.
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