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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ75, 75b, 75 SAO inc the Transitional => Topic started by: texas yankee on February 08, 2019, 08:31:31 AM
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I shot my CZ for the first time the other day and found that I was a much, much better shooter with the CZ versus my Glock - the CZ also just feels a lot better in my hands - I'm now diving into the CZ (a 75B Glossy Stainless) - learning more about the insides of the gun and doing some polishing of the contact surfaces, maybe buying a few substitution parts from Cajun Gun Works (like their floating trigger pin).
The 75B seems, for me, a bit heavy for concealed carry - would the CZ P-09 Duty be the closest polymer CZ model versus the 75B?
Also, in addition to the floating trigger pin, what'd be the top three replacements parts for a CZ 75B? I'm not into any type of competitive shooting, just range time, and maybe concealed carry if the polymer version shoots similar for me.
Thanks in advance for any guidance and suggestions !
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If you're thinking about carrying, I'd suggest the P-07 (which is probably what you were thinking of).
Honestly, instead of polishing I think you'd have more fun just shooting it until it's broken in. The difference is staggering and you'd get a chance to actually shoot the gun more and let it happen naturally. I've polished some and I've let some wear in naturally and enjoyed the ones that wore in through shooting more. (Besides which you'd have the opportunity to test the gun's reliability.)
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Thanks for the suggestions, Meechy7648 - truth is, I like tinkering with the guns and learning about how they work almost as much as I like shooting them - and being retired, I have plenty of time to do both.
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Although not polymer the P-01 or PCR is worth considering since the difference in weight against the P-07 is minimal because of the aluminum frame.
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Also wondering, since I have the pistol disassembled now, I figured that now would be a good time for me to ask about converting the gun to SAO - is all that's required to convert the gun to SAO is to leave out the disconnector? If so, can I continue to use the original trigger with the disconnector removed?
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Also, the P-07/09 guns feel different than the 75--so try one before you commit. The internals are very different. The suggestion for the P-01 and PCR are good ones because those guns feel similar grip shape and trigger reach wise to the one you like but are lighter and/or smaller. But, if you like the fit/feel of a 4" barrel P-07, it is a fine carry gun option. I love'em all.
Joe
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Also wondering, since I have the pistol disassembled now, I figured that now would be a good time for me to ask about converting the gun to SAO - is all that's required to convert the gun to SAO is to leave out the disconnector? If so, can I continue to use the original trigger with the disconnector removed?
You need a trigger with both pretravel and overtravel screws. CGW has them. I think I used an 85C single action trigger that had one screw added. You don't have to take the disconnector out (because the trigger with the pretravel stop will not go forward enough to re-engage it), but it is a good idea if you have it apart anyway.
Joe
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Remove the disconnector and try it. I don't know.
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I should have done more research before posting the follow-up trigger question - I just saw a Youtube video where a guy shows that the original trigger will work with the disconnector out to convert the gun to SAO, but the pre-travel and reset are far more than with the SAO trigger - the SAO trigger isn't that expensive.
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SP-01 Phantom is an option if you want that 75 "feel" with a polymer frame.
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I'm kinda all over the place with this post, but I'm also wondering, since I have the gun completely disassembled now, if, when I remove the disconnector and replace the trigger with a SAO trigger, should I also pick up a spacer to replace the firing pin block lever along with the firing pin block and spring? I generally don't like firing pin blocks and their associated components - will removing them case any problems for a range gun? Should I anticipate much trigger improvement with the FPB removed?
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The SP-01 Phantom, mentioned above, is the CZ polymer handgun that most closely matches the 75B. Amazingly accurate and reliable. A true pleasure to shoot. I have 2 75Bs (including a high polished stainless), 2 P-01s, and a Phantom. The Phantom is arguably the most accurate CZ I own.
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I'm kinda all over the place with this post, but I'm also wondering, since I have the gun completely disassembled now, if, when I remove the disconnector and replace the trigger with a SAO trigger, should I also pick up a spacer to replace the firing pin block lever along with the firing pin block and spring? I generally don't like firing pin blocks and their associated components - will removing them case any problems for a range gun? Should I anticipate much trigger improvement with the FPB removed?
Yes, get the spacer and you can remove the lever and tiny spring as well as the fpsb and spring. I have done so on mine, just so that I could feel the sear on the hammer hooks without the additional "feel" from the fpsb lifting. I have only done this on my bullseye match gun slides, not the carry/defensive guns.
Joe
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The SP-01 Phantom, mentioned above, is the CZ polymer handgun that most closely matches the 75B. Amazingly accurate and reliable. A true pleasure to shoot. I have 2 75Bs (including a high polished stainless), 2 P-01s, and a Phantom. The Phantom is arguably the most accurate CZ I own.
How is the Phantom in recoil compared to the 75B? When I hold new Phantoms their recoil system feels very light compared to an SP01 or P09.
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The SP-01 Phantom, mentioned above, is the CZ polymer handgun that most closely matches the 75B. Amazingly accurate and reliable. A true pleasure to shoot. I have 2 75Bs (including a high polished stainless), 2 P-01s, and a Phantom. The Phantom is arguably the most accurate CZ I own.
How is the Phantom in recoil compared to the 75B? When I hold new Phantoms their recoil system feels very light compared to an SP01 or P09.
I don?t notice much (any) difference in recoil between my Phantom and my 75Bs. The Phantom is one of my favorite handguns. My 75Bs weigh 36 ounces unloaded and the Phantom is just under 30 ounces. In 9mm, that's plenty of weight to mitigate recoil...not counting the extra weight of 18+ rounds of ammo.
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Is it the firing pin block lift that is bothering you or the camming of the hammer? Only performance hammer will remove the camming. CGW has a 3 spring kit, one of which lightens up the lift. The others that improve the DA pull. Yeah, doesn't improve the reset if that is an issue... Might as well buy the hardened firing pin retaining pin while you are at it, especially if you dry fire. I love my Matte Stainless, only mods were the 3 spring kit, fp retaining pin. The end of its SA pull is awesome! Now my 85B had all the special care from CGW, including bushing and milled for red dot. I am truly blessed, and won't admit which one of these children I like better!
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For carrying and general use a CZ P-07, for range only a CZ P-09.
Just my thoughts.
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Its a shame that this site is not 'organized for combat', All the plastic hammer guns should be in one page - the P07/09 have NOTHING to do with the P10 SF guns. Thus, the shadow gets no light of day, and the P series is now also kinda buried.
One thing to note: The P09 is much easier to work on in terms of CGW components. You can strip and polish/replace easier. The Phantom is a bit harder because of the decocker based in the sear cage. Generally, the double TB system of the Phantom CAN be more even and smooth once the grit is smoothed out, and the P series CAN have more stacking halfway through the pull. The remedy? Go to a large gun show and pick one out of several to get a smooth one.
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Tyerone - "Is it the firing pin block lift that is bothering you or the camming of the hammer?" - I'm not sure about the camming, I just don't like the FPB in any of my guns - I usually remove them if it's not that big a deal - the FPB is gone in pretty much all of my Series 80 1911s. SO I think I'll get the "straight curved SA trigger from CZ directly (https://shop.cz-usa.com/productdetail/40263_strait-curved-sa-trigger-czub-silver (https://shop.cz-usa.com/productdetail/40263_strait-curved-sa-trigger-czub-silver)) because they are out of stock at Cajun, and then a spacer to replace the FPB lifter and a hardened firing pin retaining pin and a floating trigger pin from Cajun.
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If you're thinking about carrying, I'd suggest the P-07 (which is probably what you were thinking of).
Also, the P-07/09 guns feel different than the 75--so try one before you commit. The internals are very different. The suggestion for the P-01 and PCR are good ones because those guns feel similar grip shape and trigger reach wise to the one you like but are lighter and/or smaller. But, if you like the fit/feel of a 4" barrel P-07, it is a fine carry gun option. I love'em all.
Aren't the p-07 and P-09 pretty similar to each other, aside from the P-09 having a large magazine capacity? They both have the Omega system after all.
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If you're thinking about carrying, I'd suggest the P-07 (which is probably what you were thinking of).
Also, the P-07/09 guns feel different than the 75--so try one before you commit. The internals are very different. The suggestion for the P-01 and PCR are good ones because those guns feel similar grip shape and trigger reach wise to the one you like but are lighter and/or smaller. But, if you like the fit/feel of a 4" barrel P-07, it is a fine carry gun option. I love'em all.
Aren't the p-07 and P-09 pretty similar to each other, aside from the P-09 having a large magazine capacity? They both have the Omega system after all.
The grip and overall lengths of each make them more suitable for their task. The P-07 has a 3.6" barrel and just 7.2 in length, if I remember correctly, and the P-09 has a 4.5" barrel and 8 in length. The grips are like 5.4 vs 5.7. When you see them next to each other there shows to be a huge difference. Operationally they're the same.
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I like BOTH the P07 and P09. But, they feel different because the P07 with the shorter grip just seems to LOCK into your hand a bit better.
I'd love to shoot the P09 BESIDE the Phantom one of these days but because they are CZs you just have to buy them.
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I ended up getting a PCR - I think I liked the idea of a long 1st DA pull with lighter follow up SA pulls - the decocker seemed to make sense to eliminate any potential AD when lowering the hammer after racking the slide to carry with one in the chamber. I may replace the hammer spring to get a slightly lower DA pull. I'm still on the fence about maybe carrying one of my two CZ 75 B stainless guns - one unmodified and one with a SAO trigger - I REALLY like the way that gun feels and the way I shoot it - IMHO, the perfect gun would be the one with the SAO trigger, but I'm hesitant to carry a modified gun for CC and self defense.
UPDATE - after a trip to the range today, I need to find a way to use the CZ 75B as a carry gun - I shot the CZ 75 B far better than I shot the CZ 75 D PCR - even the first DA shot was better with the 75 B.
AND, going through my box of holsters, I found that an inexpensive Glock holster (https://www.amazon.com/Glock-GLOCK-Sport-Combat-Holster/dp/B00IK3XQ4G (https://www.amazon.com/Glock-GLOCK-Sport-Combat-Holster/dp/B00IK3XQ4G)) is a pretty decent fit for both the CZ 75 B and the CZ 75 D PCR - not perfect and not hand crafted, but it works for me!
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