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GENERAL => Right to Keep and Bear Arms => Topic started by: Pcherry1973 on March 29, 2019, 09:19:30 PM
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ABC News: Judge blocks California's high-capacity ammunition ban.
https://abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/wireStory/judge-blocks-californias-high-capacity-ammunition-ban-62047096
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Hiya Pcherry1973 and thx for the thread. Reading the two sentences didn't provide a context for or legal arguments,or precedent to back up the ruling. And the showing of the rifle verses their pink glocks kinda throws one a curve. We don't have the autopsy report either,the home invaded may have had the lethal shots while attacking and the rest of the mag emptied while wiggling around on the deck. No reference to the ladies who went dry,if they survived the home invasion,or wounded a perp,neighbor,etc. Be well.
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As much as I applaud this ruling, it is heading to the nutty ninth circus court of appalls without doubt and they will certainly over rule the judge. Grabbin' Nuisance and Co. will not stop here and will waste valuable taxpayer dollars in a losing battle all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
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This is;
A ) Huge. A giant win for the 2A.
B ) A certain move to the 9th Circus where one of two things will happen
1) An appeal will be made to the 9th by The State of California, which will 75% be overturned in the state's favor, and subsequently sent to SCOTUS
2) The state MAY elect to work around by passing other legislation rather than take the chance of a loss at the SCOTUS level which would invalidate magazine limits nationwide. That is why DC let CCW permits go through, to avoid a national loss. If HRC had won the White House and packed more Leftists on the bench, I would see this as being fast tracked to SCOTUS for permanent losses for us, but now...it's a toss up leaning in our direction.
One note - Prepper Gun Shop worked all night last night filling mag orders, only to be told by the lawyers the next morning to cancel all of them and refund the money. Not sure why, as the order is stated to take effect immediately, like that golden window in DC when anyone could carry openly or concealed without a permit for a couple of days.
All in all, it's one ruling I would have never expected to ever see out of the Golden State of Insanity, and I wish them the best from deep in my heart. NRA, GOA, SAF, JPFO, get in there!
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I went to a local LGS Saturday and they had a line of folks around the whole block waiting to put orders in for standard cap mags. Crazy!! I'll wait and see how this plays out, but at least it's a sort of win for us, right.
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Because I live in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts this could be HUGE! We need Ruthie "WOO WOO" Ginsberg to either retire or go for the dirt nap so we have control over the Court and can start ruling against anti-gun legislation from the Feds and the State's. Thank God for Donald J. Trump, MAGA!
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Almost everyone out there has started shipping massive amounts of mags to California. Some even prioritizing Cali orders over other orders.
except for CZ-USA >:(
http://shop.cz-usa.com/
CZ-USA HAS NO PLANS TO START SALES OF MAGAZINES WITH A CAPACITY OF MORE THAN 10 ROUNDS TO CALIFORNIA.
PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO ORDER THEM IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT OF CALIFORNIA.
YOUR ORDER WILL BE REFUSED.
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Has any members from Cal. been able to get high capacity mags? With the mad rush going on, what are the odds of being able to get any at all. Also, why wouldn't cz-usa want to help it's customers in Cal? That's extra business that might never happen again. I know there's probably a reason I'm not seeing, but it still seems like a slap in the face.
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Yes, I saw this yesterday when I was on their website checking into the non-availability for the striker for my P10C. Liberal states have gun companies scared.
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I bought many magazines Friday night around 11 p.m. Pacific. Received the first round yesterday in the mail.
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Good for you - welcome to America!!! Get em while you can.
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I just wish I knew what guns I want to buy next as a new gun owner. It's prohibitively expensive to just buy magazines at random ;)
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Well, worst case, the mags will keep their value in Cal. When I was younger, when ever I saw a good deal on mags and could afford it, I bought them whether I owned the gun or not. It kind of gave me the excuse to buy the gun. Sometimes they were used as trade for other gun related projects. Now that's just me, but If I lived in Cal. right now, I would be trying to buy as many mags as I would ever need and then some. I kinda get the feeling this won't last long. I hope it does, but Cal. is a whole different country, and I don't see them letting this go on for long.
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I can?t believe CA is less restrictive on something than MA is right now. Ugh
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CZ finally caved and is selling although they'd rather you go through a retailer so they can keep them supplied.
I've read it's estimated over 3 million magazines have shipped into this state in less than a week.
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CZ finally caved and is selling although they'd rather you go through a retailer so they can keep them supplied.
I've read it's estimated over 3 million magazines have shipped into this state in less than a week.
Cool. At least that exceeds the rate of illegals pouring in now.
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Ha!
Bet they are bringing their own guns too.
If anyone wants standard MAGAzines you better buy NOW. As of 5pm Friday (tomorrow) they will be illegal to buy again!
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my shop that i worked for back in Escondido went through 8 cases of mags this week.
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And as of 5Pm California today the order is stayed, though the same judge wrote the stay in such a way that everyone who not only possesses these mags are covered, but who BOUGHT them and may not have even received them yet. This will be very interesting!
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Hiya and thx for the thread. Who wants to be that guy who puts the brakes on a few hundred million dollars of economic stimulus. They might get called up to the tower and get their pink slip. Be well.
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Hey, you gotta take you can get when you can get it. Enjoy
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One estimate says possible two million new magazines of various flavors, plus every single one in the state is basically grandfathered now. This is the "common use" thing the judge wanted for the ruling when it goes to the 9th and SCOTUS.
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And as of 5Pm California today the order is stayed, though the same judge wrote the stay in such a way that everyone who not only possesses these mags are covered, but who BOUGHT them and may not have even received them yet. This will be very interesting!
No surprise here. Only surprised it took a Lib Judge that long to get the stay.
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The left has always wanted the best judges money can buy !
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You guys didn't read it - it was the same judge who wrote the stay as who overturned it to begin with. He did this deliberately to coincide with his 86 page original decision, which addresses common use as well as a number of other things. He wrote it to make sure everyone who bought mags, not even received yet but purchased during the window, was covered, which means ALL standard cap mags in Cali brought in up to that date are legal. He also wrote it to give people another day and a half, and two MILLION magazines purchase in a 5 day period PROVES the common use thing beyond a shadow of a doubt. He knew the 9th would stay it if he didn't and their would be brutal, so he took it away from them, neatly clipping Nuisance's wings. Brilliant and next stage for the battle in the 9th coming up.
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Yes, I saw that and some other quite awesome graphics/memes at arfdotcom. 8)
Now there are some estimates that perhaps up to 5 million mags were purchased, with a potential of approximately $100,000,000 injected into the national economy OUTSIDE of California. And it was also brought up that the only reason this happened is law abiding gun owners are exactly that - law abiding, that they waited until it was LEGAL to buy them and bought like there was no tomorrow. This is not only proof about common use, but about the law abiding tendencies of the average firearms owners.
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Because of your picture, I had to spit my coffee out. Thanks alot. ;D ;D ;D ;D
CB
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Love the pic. I'm so glad these people were able to buy mags like the most of us. Is it also against the law to send mags to say maybe a relative or friend in Cal. They wouldn't be able to prove when the mags were purchased, so they say they bought them when it was legal and lost the receipt.
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It was a brief, but happy time where I felt like a normal gun owner.
Except that the standard mags can't go into pistol gripped ARs unless they're registered as assault weapons, and half of the pistols out there are still illegal to buy new.
But at least my CZs are happy and fat with the correct number of bullets.
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And that, sir, is a HUGE step in the right direction. 8)
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This was good news for Californians, however, what are the chances the ruling will be overturned? Still curious why this was even allowed in California when Newsom made it clear he intends to do his worse and block everything for law abiding gun owners. Can others chime in and share their analysis? Thank you.
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Chances in the 9th, even up after all the conservative additions President Trump has been adding to that historically leftist court, but the 9th is not where it will end. If we win in the 9th, California will have to make a HUGE decision, whether to appeal to SCOTUS where they stand a good chance of losing, which would apply that ruling to the entire country, and mag limits all across the US would start falling to challenges. best case for us. If we lose in the 9th, same thing, appeal to SCOTUS, but then we are dependant on being granted cert, and SCOTUS has traditionally shied away from 2A cases if they can.
If We win and Cali does not appeal, all well in good for everywhere under the 9th, but not a nationwide win.
Right now it's a crapshoot.
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I see. So the only thing we can do now is sit and wait? Wish I ordered some extended mags when this ban was lifted but I literally missed it being out of the country. :-[