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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: gunbuster on August 31, 2019, 11:00:41 PM
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Wondering why aren't the great CZ polymer pistols on the CA roster? Is there something 'wrong' with these firearms? Honest questions please do not flame. I am genuinely trying to understand how certain CZs get approved (the process) while others are excluded. Can someone explain? As a new user I am trying to understand the bizarre CA 'approved' roster. Thank you all for your patience and help sharing. Cheers!
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That would be a question for the CA legislation. I don’t keep up with CA law, luckily I am in the free state of Texas, but what little I read about it makes little to no sense.
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Here in California we have something called a Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. Now for a long time a manufacture that wanted to sell a handgun in California was required to supply several of that model to the California Department of Justice. It was then required to pass a firing, safety and drop tests. Once the handgun passed the safety tests and a fee was paid it could then be offered for sale in California. As long as nothing was changed about the handgun and a renewal fee was paid it would stay on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. If it was changed it was required to be retested. Things went along like this for many years. While not all manufactures chose to go through the process for every pistol that they offer many did and we had a good selection of anything popular enough to motivate the manufacture to play along with the requirements to access the California market.
Then on October 14, 2007 came something called the Micro Stamping requirement (put into effect on On May 17, 2013). California politicians pushed through a requirement for a non existent technology called Micro Stamping. Micro Stamping required that new models of semiautomatic handguns would imprint their bullets with identifying micro stamps so police can trace them. The new law specifically exempts law enforcement. After this requirement was put into effect no new handguns could be added to the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale without Micro Stamping. Seeing as how Micro Stamping was an idea rather than some kind of proven technology no handgun manufacture has been able to meet the requirement.
So the CZ P-Series, P-10s and Shadow 2s among others just came out too late or required design updates and then could not comply with the Micro stamping requirement.
Microstamping
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping
Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale
https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns
Note: This post is intended to convey the general gist of the situation unintended inaccuracys may be included.
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So microstamping is the only reason why there are no CZ polymer pistols in CA? Confused because isn't the Scorpion on the roster? Was it microstamped?
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Good question. While i do not have a clear answer it may be because it is not a handgun.
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CZ Scorpion Carbine wouldn't meet California's "assault weapon ban", nor would the pistol, I believe, but I left Cali in 1989, never to return, when my enlistment was over.
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Before I left CA (12-18) I saw some featureless Evo Carbines at Ammo Brothers. I don't know if they are allowed anymore after Grabbin' Nuisance became Governor.
EDIT: Added link to a featureless Evo Carbine https://www.ammobros.com/shop/cz-usa/cz-scorpion-evo-3-s1-fde-carbine-9mm-factory-featureless-337191 I don't know if this is a typo or they are still available in CA, the ad says CA Compliant.
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I wouldn't live in comifornia
Even if you paid all my expenses !
Start buying Stateline property in Arizona. Because after California slides off into the ocean Arizona will be beachfront. Lol
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I wholeheartedly agree with everyones comments about how terrible Commiefornia has become especially under the 'leadership' of NWO and Satanist Newscum. That said however, does anyone else have any insight on why the polymer guns are not on the CA roster? Thank you.
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I wholeheartedly agree with everyones comments about how terrible Commiefornia has become especially under the 'leadership' of NWO and Satanist Newscum. That said however, does anyone else have any insight on why the polymer guns are not on the CA roster? Thank you.
TOK36 gave you the answer to your question in the 3rd post in this thread. Microstamping is the answer.
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Here in California we have something called a Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. Now for a long time a manufacture that wanted to sell a handgun in California was required to supply several of that model to the California Department of Justice. It was then required to pass a firing, safety and drop tests. Once the handgun passed the safety tests and a fee was paid it could then be offered for sale in California. As long as nothing was changed about the handgun and a renewal fee was paid it would stay on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. If it was changed it was required to be retested. Things went along like this for many years. While not all manufactures chose to go through the process for every pistol that they offer many did and we had a good selection of anything popular enough to motivate the manufacture to play along with the requirements to access the California market.
Then on October 14, 2007 came something called the Micro Stamping requirement (put into effect on On May 17, 2013). California politicians pushed through a requirement for a non existent technology called Micro Stamping. Micro Stamping required that new models of semiautomatic handguns would imprint their bullets with identifying micro stamps so police can trace them. The new law specifically exempts law enforcement. After this requirement was put into effect no new handguns could be added to the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale without Micro Stamping. Seeing as how Micro Stamping was an idea rather than some kind of proven technology no handgun manufacture has been able to meet the requirement.
So the CZ P-Series, P-10s and Shadow 2s among others just came out too late.
Microstamping
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping
Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale
https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns
I was aware of the Roster in CA, but not the Microstamping requirement. So basically they passed a law that required manufacturers to use a technology that really isn't feasible so they could ban any new handguns from being added to the Roster and sold in California? But then they say this does not infringe on your 2A rights?
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I think most of Nevada will become beach front. We do have a lot of sand, too. Vegas might disappear. There are a mess of faults running under it. And way too many Californians have turned the most populous county blue. Our new governor is hell bent on adopting Cali's laws.
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I was aware of the Roster in CA, but not the Microstamping requirement. So basically they passed a law that required manufacturers to use a technology that really isn't feasible so they could ban any new handguns from being added to the Roster and sold in California? But then they say this does not infringe on your 2A rights?
Yup.
The fact that states can pass laws in clear violation of the Constitution/BofR baffles me, and should be against the law itself.
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I was aware of the Roster in CA, but not the Microstamping requirement. So basically they passed a law that required manufacturers to use a technology that really isn't feasible so they could ban any new handguns from being added to the Roster and sold in California? But then they say this does not infringe on your 2A rights?
Yup.
The fact that states can pass laws in clear violation of the Constitution/BofR baffles me, and should be against the law itself.
It is against the law but they have ignored the law and forged ahead with their anti-gun anti-American vision. Ultimately it will be up to us to force them back in line.History will repeat itself.
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So is Californias microstamping requirement being challenged in any courts?
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So is Californias microstamping requirement being challenged in any courts?
Last time I heard, it is crawling it's way to the Supreme Court.. Someone is dragging their feet I think...
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These CA laws are basically an end-a-round the Constitution in an attempt to practically ban firearms without explicitly doing so.
It's pretty clear to most people, that the intention of the micro-stamping requirement was to prevent the sale of any new model firearms in the California market. Its basically a back-door ban. They're hoping that over time (make no mistake, they're playing the long game here) as manufacturers develop new models, that the older ones will be discontinued and thus disappear from the market. Of course, criminals will get their guns somewhere else...
The same will be the case for the new ammo laws and tax (mark my words). All California legislators have to do, is increase the ammo tax to prohibitive levels or just make sure the background checks can't be done in a timely manner to effectively make any new ammunition impossible to get legally. Of course, criminals will get their ammo somewhere else...
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So is Californias microstamping requirement being challenged in any courts?
Yup, the details are all in here.
Microstamping
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping
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Thank you everyone for taking the time to explain and sharing. I so need to get out of Commiefornia under the iron fist of Satanist Newscum.
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They're (comifornia) intention is to ban guns completely, but for right now they're going to make it as nearly impossible and difficult to buy or sell one as they can.
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Comes down to one thing. Idiot voters in California tolerating those idiots. Vote them out folks.
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Thank you everyone for taking the time to explain and sharing. I so need to get out of Commiefornia under the iron fist of Satanist Newscum.
Let it be known that you can in fact acquire pretty much any handgun that you want through Private Party Transfer (PPT). There are several legal ways that newer off list handguns make there way into California. One dose need to be willing to pay what i call the California Tax. It is the significant mark up on off list handguns due to low availability. I see used $400-500 P-Series pistols listed for $800-1,000 frequently. There is a New P-10C listed for $1,100 OBO at the moment. Money talks...
You can get a better idea of what i am talking about here.
Calguns Private Firearms Sales - Handguns
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=332
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Wondering why aren't the great CZ polymer pistols on the CA roster? Is there something 'wrong' with these firearms? Honest questions please do not flame. I am genuinely trying to understand how certain CZs get approved (the process) while others are excluded. Can someone explain? As a new user I am trying to understand the bizarre CA 'approved' roster. Thank you all for your patience and help sharing. Cheers!
because #communism
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