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GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rigidman on November 10, 2019, 07:42:45 AM
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Does anyone use a CLP? There's some people hocking this like it's the answer to your prayers. I've used Break Free since the Army. I also still use Hoppes. My grandpa did, my dad did and, my uncle did on mom's side. It worked so I never tried anything else. But now it's getting a bit pricey and hard to find in stock sometimes.
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I keep Breakfree CLP on my bench, it's cheaper if you buy the big bottle. I also use synthetic motor oil. The leftovers from one or two oil changes will last for months.
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I just got 2 4oz bottles for $6.99 each. I guess I could check the price of the larger size. But they don't fit in my cleaning bag. They actually wanted me to pay $25 for 2 bottles. Why double the price? Don't get it. So I just got 2 for $6.99. I'm running out so I needed it. They both do very well, but the Hoppes cleaner works on difficult areas where the break free doesn't clean. I use the break free has its meant on certain parts for the protection. Other parts I use Hoppes oil. I also have a rag from Hoppes that breaks down lead and acts as a protector.
I have a Remington multi caliber cleaning system in a range bag. Then I have one someone gave me. Its supposed to hold the cleaning supplies and up to 4 pistols but it's full of cleaning stuff.
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CLP is a great, easy to use product. That is the reason almost everyone is using it.
For frequent maintenance of your firearm you don't want to complicate this process.
However I do not recommend CLP if you store guns unused for a long time.
CLP contains all 3 components, so once you cover the firearm with it, the "cleaning" component stays there as well.
So all depends how you use it.
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CLP is a great, easy to use product. That is the reason almost everyone is using it.
For frequent maintenance of your firearm you don't want to complicate this process.
However I do not recommend CLP if you store guns unused for a long time.
CLP contains all 3 components, so once you cover the firearm with it, the "cleaning" component stays there as well.
So all depends how you use it.
I'm going to disagree on that. CLP is designed to act as a protectant. I have been using it on firearms for 35+ years and it does a great job of protection from rust.
I have 35+ years of experience with Breakfree CLP. I also have about 4 years of experience with OTIS O-85 CLP and it also works very well.
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I'm going to disagree on that. CLP is designed to act as a protectant. I have been using it on firearms for 35+ years and it does a great job of protection from rust.
I have 35+ years of experience with Breakfree CLP. I also have about 4 years of experience with OTIS O-85 CLP and it also works very well.
I didn't wrote anything against CLP. This product has been used for a very long time and has its reputation. I'm glad it has also been working for you.
I've just paid attention to the fact that there are some applications you may not want to use CLP.
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What brand of clp are y'all using? There's supposed to be a new brand on the market. Haven't researched it yet. I know break free was the only military approved clp for a long time. When I used it in the Army it worked fine. There was a few areas where it didn't clean as well. Like crooks and corners. But Army gave us limited tools for cleaning I guess because we weren't going to be combat unit. Or in Army basic it was considered goodnuff.
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What brand of clp are y'all using? There's supposed to be a new brand on the market. Haven't researched it yet. I know break free was the only military approved clp for a long time. When I used it in the Army it worked fine. There was a few areas where it didn't clean as well. Like crooks and corners. But Army gave us limited tools for cleaning I guess because we weren't going to be combat unit. Or in Army basic it was considered goodnuff.
Break Free has been used the most. I've also followed other's suggestion to use this one.
Army uses CLP because it's freaking easy and fast. There is no time for 30 minutes gun cleaning.
If I'm in rush, I use CLP... but I keep in mind I will shoot my gun soon. To be honest sometimes I even do nothing, because I know my gun can run dry. (better be dry that overlubed)
Other CLP I used was Eezox. I didn't know it was CLP, I used it as lubricant and protectant. I was surprised it should also clean... it never worked this way for me.
So if I would need to use CLP, that would be Break Free.
BF CLP has variety of bottles, volumes, applicator what makes this product most used on the market.
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What brand of clp are y'all using? There's supposed to be a new brand on the market. Haven't researched it yet. I know break free was the only military approved clp for a long time. When I used it in the Army it worked fine. There was a few areas where it didn't clean as well. Like crooks and corners. But Army gave us limited tools for cleaning I guess because we weren't going to be combat unit. Or in Army basic it was considered goodnuff.
The CLP products I have used are Ballistol, Breakfree, Eezox, and Gunzilla. I have been using Ballistol for 15 years and IMO it is the most over hyped CLP in the history of...ever. It works great as a carbon cleaner and leather conditioner. The only reason I’ve been using it so long is because I purchased 2 16oz cans and its taken me this long to get rid of it. But some people swear by it. Gunzilla is an OK cleaner, but falls far short as a lube and protectant. Eezox is a good cleaner and very good protectant, but I want more lube than it offers. Breakfree probably works the best in all 3 categories if you consider only using 1 product. But I use separate products for each need.
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I have been using Ballistol for a couple of years, and come to a similar conclusion about its strengths and weaknesses. It's definitely good for dissolving carbon. It doesn't damage polymer, wood, or other materials of your grip, stock, etc. It isn't going to poison you if used indoors while not wearing gloves. I'm skeptical that it does anything to remove lead from barrels, despite what hickok45 says. I am pretty sure it does absolutely nothing to remove copper fouling. I've seen some heat tests on it, and read its MSDS, and it appears to have a relatively low boiling point, and turn to black goo at a fairly trivial temperature.
Break Free CLP works okay. I have one small bottle that I used on my slides. I decided a while ago I wouldn't be using anything with PTFE in any high temperature locatiions, especially inside the bores of my firearms, since it can convert into corrosive and poisonous substances under high heat. There seems to be a lot of confusion about which version of Break Free CLP has PTFE or not. The bottle I have says it has PTFE on the label. So I have used it a fair amount on the slides of my pistols and it works pretty good for that, but I don't use it on the barrel, so I can't speak to its performance there.
Eezox I just started using a couple of months ago. Eezox has a solvent that is highly toxic, so I wear gloves and apply it outdoors. Once the solvent evaporates, I think it is fairly safe. It seems to work okay for carbon cleaning, but I don't know if it does anything to lead or copper in the bore. Its main benefit is forming a dry protective layer after you're done with it.
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I agree with CCWLearner about Ballistol - it does nothing with lead and copper. It's good lubricant, very thin so works good covering metal parts after cleaning. But it doesn't work great as a cleaner by itself (as advertised).
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I'm a fan of Ballistol but agree that it is a very weak cleaner. Except for firearms that specify grease (where I use superlube) Ballistol is my primary clp.
I will say that every few thousand rounds I will use some Hornady one-shot dry cleaner/lube to clean out the sear cage on my CZ's.
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:o
Never been using Hornady products... but after short research, I'm impressed...
Definitely it's worthy to check.
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Breakfree CLP's not a bad cleaner, but I've gone back to Hoppes for the more serious cleaning jobs or copper fouling. For lube, my brother suggested Tri-Flow, and I'm pretty impressed with it. He raced bicycles for years, and praised it's lubricating properties even in dirty and sandy environments (smells a lot better too) . Currently I'm trying some Weapon Shield products, and they too show promise.
Ultimately, Most cleaners and lubes work just fine, as long as you adhere to a good maintenance schedule. Protectorants are more suited for weapons that may be in storage for a while,or in hostile conditions. Just do NOT saturate a gun with WD-40 and pack it away for years ! You'll probably wish you used cosmoline.
Although I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, I'd still suggest: Shoot'em often, and put'em away clean and lubed !
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I like CLP for light jobs immediately after a match or range session.
Hoppes is also on the bench for bore cleaning if needed.
White lithium grease on my rails... smoove
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Breakfree CLP's not a bad cleaner, but I've gone back to Hoppes for the more serious cleaning jobs or copper fouling. For lube, my brother suggested Tri-Flow, and I'm pretty impressed with it. He raced bicycles for years, and praised it's lubricating properties even in dirty and sandy environments (smells a lot better too) . Currently I'm trying some Weapon Shield products, and they too show promise.
Ultimately, Most cleaners and lubes work just fine, as long as you adhere to a good maintenance schedule. Protectorants are more suited for weapons that may be in storage for a while,or in hostile conditions. Just do NOT saturate a gun with WD-40 and pack it away for years ! You'll probably wish you used cosmoline.
Although I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, I'd still suggest: Shoot'em often, and put'em away clean and lubed !
I remember triflow. I used to race BMX when I was younger. Just locally in Crown Point and Merrillville Ind. Never considered it for guns.
My break free got here today. It has PTFE as well. It was funny, first time I read the bottle "with movement or brushing of the parts, foreign matter will break loose and can be wiped away" So I can just wave the parts in the air? LOL!!
I've heard of ballistol and gunzilla, never tried them. But Eezox, sounds contagious to me. Hoppes has been great at carbon and lead. They also sell a rag for lead removal.
My dad and grandpa used them to wrap up their pistols, well revolvers. I remember after they cleaned them they wiped it down with that rag, reassembled it and wrapped the rag around it.
Funny, just thinking back, my dad wrapped his gun up like my grandpa. Exactly the same way. My mom's dad, must have taught my dad, or he must of been him do it. Never met my dad's dad. Left when he was 3. Amazing what you remember. I can't remember some words, they just get lost. Happens to everyone once in awhile. But other times it's so vivid like being there again.
What started me thinking about CLP was I've been getting emails from different survivalist sites, everyone's been hocking this NEW!! CLP. They don't name it, or show you the label. What you can see if it is just CLP. They claim there are only 2 types, 1 is break free and this new CLP that SEALS use. Protects from rust from sea water, and Jesus tears. And on and on. Supposedly it isn't sold to the public yet but you can get some from them. HA!! I say.
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My dad and grandpa used them to wrap up their pistols, well revolvers. I remember after they cleaned them they wiped it down with that rag, reassembled it and wrapped the rag around it.
Funny, just thinking back, my dad wrapped his gun up like my grandpa. Exactly the same way. My mom's dad, must have taught my dad, or he must of been him do it. Never met my dad's dad. Left when he was 3. Amazing what you remember. I can't remember some words, they just get lost. Happens to everyone once in awhile. But other times it's so vivid like being there again.
Actually wrapping the gun is not a bad idea. I wasn't told to do so, but all my guns are wrapped with cloth after cleaning/lubrication process. I use the same cloth used to wipe the gun down.
Everybody is amazed seeing my guns - they look and smell like brand new all the time.
What started me thinking about CLP was I've been getting emails from different survivalist sites, everyone's been hocking this NEW!! CLP. They don't name it, or show you the label. What you can see if it is just CLP. They claim there are only 2 types, 1 is break free and this new CLP that SEALS use. Protects from rust from sea water, and Jesus tears. And on and on. Supposedly it isn't sold to the public yet but you can get some from them. HA!! I say.
Haha.. Army / SEALs / Air Force / Marine... all military agency uses some magic, never introduced to the public. Recently I've heard they won't need to use CLP anymore, because firearm manufacturers will apply DSL to the weapon (DSL stands for Durable Solid Lubricant)... 8) :o ???
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I'm surprised they just don't have a bucket of magic pixie dust they drop their weapons into and they're magically cleaned and smell like fresh baked choc. chip cookies. LOL!!
Guess I'll stick to what I'm doing and just bite the bullet with the price increase. Sounds like everyone does the same thing, grew up with something, been using something for years so if it works why fiddle with it?
Thought if there was something better/comparable for less I'd give it a try. But looks like they all require your first born male child as a deposit followed by 1 arm and a leg.
Eezox!! Don't get any on you, might grow horns or something.
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To be honest... we shouldn't give a s&%t what we apply to the gun. This tool was made to take big bum, high temperature, huge pressure... so what's the difference if we use Hoppe's 9, MPro7, Mil-Comm25 or KG-12? Probably Windows10 will work if we know how to use it in this application O0
There is only one rule - Clean -> Lube -> Preserve... and it really doesn't matter what do you use, just do these 3 things. ;)
I've shot Walther PPQ, cleaned with cheap stuff, lubed with Mobil1 - never had single problem. I've cleaned Glock with "hand cleaner" and lubed with Mil-Comm - no single issue. CZ P-01 - cleaned with Shooters Lube Cleaner, lubed with Ballistol; RIA 1911 - cleaned with soap and water, then lubed with Lukas oil.
My PPQ run completely dry sometimes and this never hurt it.
So as you can see, we can have preferences, likes, dislikes... but does your firearm care about it? ??? You need to know your gun, and keep it in shape... brand of solvents / lubes / preservatives doesn't matter. 8)
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They’re not teasing for Froglube, are they? That is a CLP product that has been on the market for a while. When it was first on the market I believe the selling point was that it was bio-based and developed by Navy SEALS.
From the FAQ on the Froglube web site, the answer to the question of “how does Froglube work” has the following
Answer:
FrogLube is a heavy specific gravity “food grade” mixture that seeps deep into the micro spaces of the metal and acts as if to ‘season’ the surface of the bore, any friction points and all areas treated with the lube.
Once treated, fouling particles resist bonding to metal surfaces; instead, they easily wipe away or brush off the surface. This also applies to other loose fouling particles such as dirt, dust, and sand.
FrogLube does not film, nor is it a coating. Instead, it is a treatment that is absorbed throughout the firearm. It is water-insoluble and will repel water and resist corrosion.
When I read this when it first came on the market, I had to laugh because, 1. Since forged metal does not have pores, it can’t be absorbed into it and 2. If forged metal did have pores to allow absorption, you wouldn’t want a firearm made from it. The description on Amazon seems to accentuate the point of absorption.......seeps deep into micro spaces.....cast metal does have porosity due to the nature of its processing, but I’m pretty sure no manufacturer is making barrels from castings.
Every product on the market will fill a “micro space”
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I use break free clp, but also Hoppes for bore cleaning, followed by clp or gun oil. It works, and Ive never had any problems with corrosion, so far anyways. I tried some of the foaming bore cleaners with a badly fouled barrel once, they seemed to do okay as well.
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They don't mention the product by brand of course. "IT'S MAGIC CLP" ooOOOoo!! LOL!! For all I know they took break free or frog lube and put it in a bottle.
After the new break free got here, I finally found my old cleaning kit in a wood box my dad gave me. Looked everywhere for it. I think I have some little people living under the house stealing my stuff. LOL!! Anyway it had a bottle of break free too, almost full.
Cable went out other day so I decided to clean all my guns. On the Tanfo I found what I call chatter marks. Where the slide rides in the frame. The frame had it worse than the slide. They're shiny marks, looks like long dots. They're on both sides. In the low part where the slide rides. I just oiled it. Took a pic. When I go to the range I'll compare see if it's worse or same. Probably nothing to worry about.
On my 97B I found some rough edges on the slide where the lug for the guide rod is. I just filed them down. They weren't anywhere near anything mechanical. Also bought new 16# recoil spring and ss guide rod.
Anyway I cleaned a gun with the break free and one with hoppes. They both worked as good. Didn't leave the break free on. Wiped it off because I know how gummy it gets. Also it was an old bottle. Need to get some armourers grease. Have some slide glide. Going to test it out at the range. Just didn't want to let it set. Don't know if it'll get gummy. I also used Hoppes oil on them all. Since I found my kit it had plastic bottles with long stainless needle like applicators. Works really well to put oil where you want it and cleaner. Since oils lighter in color than cleaner simple to tell apart.
I also keep syringes in my range bag. Throw some clp in it and blast out bunk and carbon.
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I bought a case of milsurp CLP about 7 years ago and I have zero complaints. It has been excellent for long term storage and cleaning.
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It's G96 CLP they're selling. Finally found out. Apparently the army and navy seals use it. So, yeah I'll get my credit card while you hold your breath. It's a non solvent clp. I thought break free was non solvent. But it does have ptfe. Except the old bottle I found doesn't have ptfe on the label. Maybe they forgot it was in there. In the Army our break free was white. We used to joke about it. Wondered what the armourer was doing. Anyway now it's more like an oil.
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I use Breakfree CLP, I buy it by the gallon .... it's cheaper when you buy in bulk.
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Balistol to clean and Mobil 1 to lube