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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ BREN => Topic started by: Name_Here on December 06, 2019, 12:23:58 PM
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Hey all I want to try and create a single thread where we can all post links to companies who are currently supporting the CZ Bren 2 platform with parts and accessories readily available or soon to be. I believe aftermarket support is of major importance for the success of any new rifle platform. All I ask is lets only add links of places that have or can have the parts in stock on a regular basis. No random gun broker or private sales links where it's one and done please. A link to the site or even directly to the part or accessory you're most excited about would be great. The current list is small but I'm sure it'll grow quickly in this next coming year. I'll start us out with a real exciting one I know everyone has been waiting for.
Lingle Industries: Lower receiver that uses standard AK mags
https://lingleindustries.com/
CZ USA. CZ Bren 2 Ms 922r kit...
https://shop.cz-usa.com/cz-usa-bren-2-ms-5-56x45-922r-parts-kit-includes-stock.html
HB Industries makes handguards and other components
https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-bren-2-handguard-7-9-m-lok/
https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-bren-2-handguard-10-8-m-lok/
Dan Haga makes many unique Parts and components
https://danhagadesigns.com/parts/cz/
Thordsen Customs: Picatinny to AR buffer tube adapter...
https://www.thordsencustoms.com/picatinny-buffer-tube-adapter/.html
Kinetic Development Group: ACR stock...
https://kineticdg.com/product/magpul-acr-folding-stock-assembly-black/
A3 Tactical Inc B&T brace/stock adapter...
https://a3-tactical-inc.myshopify.com/collections/cz-bren-2-collection/products/b-t-stock-brace-adapter-bren-2
And AR buffer to picatinny adapter...
https://a3-tactical-inc.myshopify.com/products/ar-mcx-stock-adapter-with-flange?_pos=5&_sid=f77be3dcd&_ss=r
Manticore Arms Bren 805 accessories. Bren 2 parts coming.
https://manticorearms.com/
CustomSmith MFG Bren 2 specific pistol brace.
https://customsmithmfg.com/shop/ols/products/csm-bren-2ms-tailhook-host
Please feel free to add to this big or small, I know there are Bren 2 owners all currently scouring the webs for any hope of new accessories! (I was =P)
I'll add your links to my OP for ease of locating.
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Pics of HBI Rail!
(https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53395/HB_industries_jpg-1184399.JPG)
(https://hbindustries.net/store/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/HBI-CZ-BREN-2-MS-HANDGUARD_7.8_2.jpg)
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Made a few Photoshop images of how the HB industries CZ Bren 2 rail could look with different barrel lengths
14 inch
(https://i.ibb.co/KFQmgWc/HBI-CZ-BREN-2-MS-HANDGUARD-14inch.png)
11 inch
(https://i.ibb.co/tPyvh87/HBI-CZ-BREN-2-MS-HANDGUARD-11inch.png)
8 inch
(https://i.ibb.co/fdJBsws/HBI-CZ-BREN-2-MS-HANDGUARD-8inch.png)
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Made a few Photoshop images of how the HB industries CZ Bren 2 rail could look with different barrel lengths
Fantastic work. Thank you!
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Thanks! I really hope they come out with other length rails that fit the 11 and 14 inch barrels better.
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look great on the 8 inches, wish they have something longer for 11 & 14 inches imho.
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look great on the 8 inches, wish they have something longer for 11 & 14 inches imho.
Only problem is your access to adjust the gas settings on the piston is impeded, not to mention requiring you to unbolt the handguard when you want to clean out the gas tube.
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Very nice you guys! @Name_Here those photoshop images are amazing... Way better than disassembling uppers and swapping barrels around; man we all feel really dumb over here right now. We have had customers asking us for pictures of our 7.9" handguards on various barrel lengths, but what you did here is so perfect. In addition to sending whatever specific configuration they are looking for, we will also start linking customers over to this thread, get the forum some more visibility/traffic/users. Well done!
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@HBi Thank you and yes please do Id be very grateful! I’m excited to see where companies and people like you can take this platform. If you have anything else I can photoshop just let me know ;D
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Very nice you guys! @Name_Here those photoshop images are amazing... Way better than disassembling uppers and swapping barrels around; man we all feel really dumb over here right now. We have had customers asking us for pictures of our 7.9" handguards on various barrel lengths, but what you did here is so perfect. In addition to sending whatever specific configuration they are looking for, we will also start linking customers over to this thread, get the forum some more visibility/traffic/users. Well done!
Would still like to see some pics of an actual 8" set-up if possible. Is a slightly shorter version being considered? I would like to see a mock-up of the factory length on top with the bottom of the HG tapered to the front edge of the gas block.
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Well, if you did want to attach an AR buffer tube adaptor to the Haga railed end cap, this looks like it would fit the bill:
https://www.thordsencustoms.com/picatinny-buffer-tube-adapter/.html
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Yeah I saw that they went out of stock in a few hours! Dan Haga posted on Instagram that he’d have more in 2-3 weeks. Also CZ custom posted a picture of a 1913 adapter with a MCX Type looking folding Brace. I’m gonna share the image just gotta find it again.
Found it!
(https://i.ibb.co/KVdD85p/C43-BCF29-4264-4874-81-CA-575-AB27455-D7.jpg)
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For you guys looking for an ACR stock for your Bren 2, check out KDG. They have them in stock again.
https://kineticdg.com/product/magpul-acr-folding-stock-assembly-black/
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Nice! Last I heard from Dan Haga was that he was no longer able to procure these stocks. Is this the main distributor of the ACR stocks I’ve heard some mention about?
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Nice! Last I heard from Dan Haga was that he was no longer able to procure these stocks. Is this the main distributor of the ACR stocks I’ve heard some mention about?
From what I've read, Magpul has turned production over to another manufacturer (don't know who) and KDG is now the main distributor for the ACR stock. They sell an ACR stock with an adapter which allows the ACR stock to be used on a SAR, and they continue to offer the ACR stock in it's original configuration.
The ACR stock is just too good to allow it to die. It's being adapted for use on the Bren 2, the HK MP5, and others. Both the stocks and the adapters have been hard to get, but hopefully that will not be a problem in the future.
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Has anyone used the Picatinny AR buffer tube adapter
https://www.thordsencustoms.com/picatinny-buffer-tube-adapter/.html
with Tailhook Mod 2
https://gearheadworks.com/product/tailhook-mod-2-od-green/?
Wondering if these 2 would work for a folding brace on my Bren 2.
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So is there a timeline for more HB handguards?
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You better call them right now. I got an email two days ago they were in stock. They may or may not be now. I ordered one and kind of wish I’d ordered two as I’m going to pick up a 5.56 soon I believe.
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Also remember reading they were gonna have some soon just can’t remember from where.
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For you guys looking for an ACR stock for your Bren 2, check out KDG. They have them in stock again.
https://kineticdg.com/product/magpul-acr-folding-stock-assembly-black/
Hey folks, does this stock need any adapter to connect to a Bren 2 ms?
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For you guys looking for an ACR stock for your Bren 2, check out KDG. They have them in stock again.
https://kineticdg.com/product/magpul-acr-folding-stock-assembly-black/
Hey folks, does this stock need any adapter to connect to a Bren 2 ms?
Yes.
Dan haga produces one.
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Your best bet for a Kinetic is just to order it and wait on back order. I was lucky and got one on order the day they got them back online. The next day they were out of stock.
Is there a source for carbine length barrels?
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For the carbine length barrels not that I am aware of. The Bren 2 carbines have just slowly started coming into the country. Maybe once those become more common then the parts to go along with it will start popping up on CZs website. I really hope it’s not too much longer cuz we’ve all been waiting on their 922r kits or even just the stocks alone. They usually come through the question is how much longer.
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For the carbine length barrels not that I am aware of. The Bren 2 carbines have just slowly started coming into the country. Maybe once those become more common then the parts to go along with it will start popping up on CZs website. I really hope it’s not too much longer cuz we’ve all been waiting on their 922r kits or even just the stocks alone. They usually come through the question is how much longer.
We just entered Q2 which is when I was quoted...so...we will see.
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I hope so. I did hear from some on another site that a website www.euro-military.com was selling some Bren 2 stocks BR and original waffle style but they sold out in a day. I’ll be keeping an eye on them since people say they get small batches in once in a while. Not sure what that means for product availability here in the states just yet but better than nothing I guess.
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Does CZ just sell the barrel? I assume they are easily swapped, but I can't find a clear way to just buy alternative barrel lengths.
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I do not believe they are available yet. Hopefully soon.
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I wish some company will make a handguard which allows access to the gas setting...
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I wish some company will make a handguard which allows access to the gas setting...
Uhm HBI’s does.
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I wish some company will make a handguard which allows access to the gas setting...
Uhm HBI’s does.
Oh I mean longer handgaurd for 11' and 14' pistol, with an opening for gas setting like many other piston gun.
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AT3 B&T stock and brace adapter for Bren 2
https://a3-tactical-inc.myshopify.com/collections/cz-bren-2-collection/products/b-t-stock-brace-adapter-bren-2
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Regarding the rails there were murmurs of HBI looking into making more lengths but haven’t heard anything in a little while now. Knowing HBI and the products they’ve brought out for other CZ rifles there is a good chance they are At least experimenting With ideas. I honestly thought Midwest industries would of had something out by now. They shared a Picture on their Instagram a while back Kinda teasing That they got a Bren 2 but haven’t seen it since.
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Regarding the rails there were murmurs of HBI looking into making more lengths but haven’t heard anything in a little while now. Knowing HBI and the products they’ve brought out for other CZ rifles there is a good chance they are At least experimenting With ideas. I honestly thought Midwest industries would of had something out by now. They shared a Picture on their Instagram a while back Kinda teasing That they got a Bren 2 but haven’t seen it since.
I'm sure HBI will offer more rail lengths in the future.
Midwest said that they would look into the Bren 2 towards the end of the year as they have a full plate of production and R&D projects.
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I'm sure Manticore Arms will have some parts for the Bren 2 pretty soon, as they already make accessories for the discontinued 805 and the Skorpion EVO.
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AT3 B&T stock and brace adapter for Bren 2
https://a3-tactical-inc.myshopify.com/collections/cz-bren-2-collection/products/b-t-stock-brace-adapter-bren-2
I like this option
EDIT:
I just noticed a couple of things about this B&T adapter.
1) It appears the hole at the top of the adapter is used to secure it to the receiver (sling bracket hole) like the HAGA ACR adapter.
2) I didn't read the description the first time and missed the following "NOTE: Stock/Brace pin bore requires simple modification with 3/16" drill bit."
I liked the idea of using a B&T stock but I consider these items drawbacks and I wouldn't use it for those reasons.
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AT3 B&T stock and brace adapter for Bren 2
https://a3-tactical-inc.myshopify.com/collections/cz-bren-2-collection/products/b-t-stock-brace-adapter-bren-2
It's good to see other options opening up for mounting stock/braces for the Bren 2. CZ is simply taking too long in coming out with any accessories for the Bren 2.
This adapter by A3 Tactical looks interesting, I just wish it were made of aluminum instead of nylon.
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The issue I have with all of these non factory folding stock/brace solutions is the LOP is way too long. I prefer to shoot stock/brace to pectoral, with firing elbow tucked in. For me, that's 1-2 clicks out on an M4 stock, or 12- 12.5" LOP. All of the aftermarket solutions I'm seeing that fold are 2-3" too long.
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Yeah the B&T stock gives me an old school HK vibe. Really like it with the 7.62 Bren.
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Aries,
The length on that HK style folding stock is 10.5 inches. Coupled with the brace adapter itself, the actual LOP on that should be in your ballpark.
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Aries,
The length on that HK style folding stock is 10.5 inches. Coupled with the brace adapter itself, the actual LOP on that should be in your ballpark.
I have one of those braces on my Zenith Z5RS. I laid it over my Bren 2 and compared the brace adaperter's position from one of A3's photos. The LOP would be just shy of 14". I'm measuring length of pull from the trigger to the butt of the brace or buttstock, fyi.
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Has anyone tried the Matador Arms Sidewinder folding hinge? I just ordered one and going to pair it with a SB Tactical SBA3 brace.
Both going on an 8" 556 MS2 with a OSS HX-QD 556 can
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I’m sure someone has but not anyone in the forums to my knowledge. Please post some pics of yours. I and I’m sure many other would appreciate it. But yeah it looks like a good affordable way to get our folding butt stock fix until we get more purpose built options.
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B&T also makes the UMP stock which is 1" longer than the APC stock. I had the B&T stock on my APC308 and found the LOP too short. Now I have the ACR stock and find the length better but it adds some weight.
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Made a few Photoshop images of how the HB industries CZ Bren 2 rail could look with different barrel lengths
14 inch
(https://i.ibb.co/KFQmgWc/HBI-CZ-BREN-2-MS-HANDGUARD-14inch.png)
11 inch
(https://i.ibb.co/tPyvh87/HBI-CZ-BREN-2-MS-HANDGUARD-11inch.png)
8 inch
(https://i.ibb.co/fdJBsws/HBI-CZ-BREN-2-MS-HANDGUARD-8inch.png)
Man, really appreciate you making those pictures with the different barrel lengths. I haven't seen one actual picture of someone with a 14 inch 556 pistol with the HBI 7.9 handguard. This really helps. Thanks again. Great job.
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You’re welcome man, I was really curious myself and I saw a few people who were asking Althea same question. I need to make a little free time and photo shop some more. I’ve been wanting to extend the HBI handguard to see how it’d look in longer lengths.
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That's a great idea. I have a Bren 2 Carbine and a Bren 2 5.56 14 inch pistol if you need anything that would help you with those. I think I'm going to get the 7.9 hbi handguard for the 14 inch when it's back in stock and probably kick myself when something longer comes out....
Thanks for your work.
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This is my bren 14 inch with acx 1913 adapter. A3T 1913 adapter, folding mechanism, 9inch single bend stock extension, and hang down style butt plate. The weapon fires just fine when stock is folded. I think it matches the gun pretty well.
(https://s.amsu.ng/Nz6IU4nwmH5N)
(https://s.amsu.ng/FaCArA9AuWgN)
(https://s.amsu.ng/22ybb8v2pLMN)
Im new to this forum. I do not know how to upload pictures. I tried hosting them from a hosting site but I guess it didn't work. Let me know how to post them and I will.
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Yup just like the other post said I use imgur then copy the image link it provides and paste into my post.
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It’s currently out of stock which I’m sure a lot of you may know but wanted to post the link so we have quick access to it.
CZ Bren 2 Ms 922r kit: https://shop.cz-usa.com/cz-usa-bren-2-ms-5-56x45-922r-parts-kit-includes-stock.html
I’d recommend adding you’re email so you get a notification when they’re back in stock.
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http://imgur.com/a/j8LK6zp
I think I did it right...
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http://imgur.com/a/FJS2JOw
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I see HBI introduced a new 10.8 inch rail. Interestingly, in the manual they say the torque on the four mounting screws should be 45 in lbs. That is half of what the 8 inch version originally called for.
https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-bren-2-handguard-10-8-m-lok/
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I already placed an order for mine! Interesting, honestly didn’t read anything just saw their Instagram post and raced over to their site before they went out if stock. I’ll be sure to give my feed back on my initial thoughts of the rail once I have it installed.
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Anyone got the 10.8 rail yet? Should be getting mine this Thursday.
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I got mine last night (Wednesday) and installed it. Gotta take some pics and post them when I’m off work. Looks wise I like it and finally I’ve got some much needed real-estate to set up my Bren how I’ve wanted from the beginning. I do feel like HBI missed an opportunity that could have made this rail perfect. What I mean is that they did a good job adding a gas key extension but I really wish they designed the extension to come apart and drilled a hole on top of the hand guard where the plunger is so I could use a bullet or what ever to take apart the gas system still. Currently you have to remove The handguard to disassemble gas piston. Which makes me worry will my rifle require to be re zerod every time I clean my gas system? Honestly my mind is already thinking about wiping out a drill and making the mods I mentioned my self ::)
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I see HBI introduced a new 10.8 inch rail. Interestingly, in the manual they say the torque on the four mounting screws should be 45 in lbs. That is half of what the 8 inch version originally called for.
https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-bren-2-handguard-10-8-m-lok/
Yikes! That doesn’t exactly inspire confidence...CZ recommends 65 in. lbs., HBI can’t seem to make up their mind on the torque specs, which also secure the barrel, btw.
CZ needs to go back to the original Military 2S model (extended receiver, no detachable “hand guard”) and drop the 2Ms model and its 922r compliance “hand guard” which serves no purpose other than to separate customers from their money.
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I wouldn’t say I Completely agree, I mean I wish they still sold the S model because I’d really love to have a mil clone but the Ms model tries to be a rifle that would be more practical on the civilian market which generally are very demanding for firearms that have the ability to be modified by the end user. AR15s have spoiled us to the point where any new rifle is nearly destined to fail unless there is clear aftermarket support or soon to be. I will say the AR15 has drastically benefited from the improvements discovered in the civilian aftermarket. Who knows maybe the Bren Ms will benefit in the same way? That’s best outcome. But I do agree that I wish the S model was still available. It’d be interesting to see which would sell more over time.
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I wouldn’t say I Completely agree, I mean I wish they still sold the S model because I’d really love to have a mil clone but the Ms model tries to be a rifle that would be more practical on the civilian market which generally are very demanding for firearms that have the ability to be modified by the end user. AR15s have spoiled us to the point where any new rifle is nearly destined to fail unless there is clear aftermarket support or soon to be. I will say the AR15 has drastically benefited from the improvements discovered in the civilian aftermarket. Who knows maybe the Bren Ms will benefit in the same way? That’s best outcome. But I do agree that I wish the S model was still available. It’d be interesting to see which would sell more over time.
Well, if modularity / accessorizing was CZ’s aim with the 2Ms, the military 2S has 8 M-lok slots on the fore end, while the US “commercial” 2Ms has (drum roll) threve....unless you pay $$$ for an aftermarket hand guard. I guess that’s one definition of being more “commercial.”
Actually the 2S seems to be filtering back into the market, which is what I would have bought if given the choice. Hopefully, the 2S will replace the 2Ms going forward, as it’s just a better gun all things considered.
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Can’t disagree with you there about the lack of Mlok on the factory handguard. Seemed like little thought went into it. I have seen a couple S models pop up on armslist so if you are ever interested I’d say grab one while they are available. I think there are some changes in the trigger between the S and Ms. over read from others that the S has a pretty mediocre trigger will the Ms is very light and super comparable to my Gisselle SSAE although it’s not as crisp.
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I got mine last night (Wednesday) and installed it. Gotta take some pics and post them when I’m off work. Looks wise I like it and finally I’ve got some much needed real-estate to set up my Bren how I’ve wanted from the beginning. I do feel like HBI missed an opportunity that could have made this rail perfect. What I mean is that they did a good job adding a gas key extension but I really wish they designed the extension to come apart and drilled a hole on top of the hand guard where the plunger is so I could use a bullet or what ever to take apart the gas system still. Currently you have to remove The handguard to disassemble gas piston. Which makes me worry will my rifle require to be re zerod every time I clean my gas system? Honestly my mind is already thinking about wiping out a drill and making the mods I mentioned my self ::)
Wait, you have to take the handguard off to take the gas piston apart??? So not only do I have to remove my bayonet lug to put the handguard on, I also have to remove the handguard off just to disassemble the piston. What the hell HBI???
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I got mine last night (Wednesday) and installed it. Gotta take some pics and post them when I’m off work. Looks wise I like it and finally I’ve got some much needed real-estate to set up my Bren how I’ve wanted from the beginning. I do feel like HBI missed an opportunity that could have made this rail perfect. What I mean is that they did a good job adding a gas key extension but I really wish they designed the extension to come apart and drilled a hole on top of the hand guard where the plunger is so I could use a bullet or what ever to take apart the gas system still. Currently you have to remove The handguard to disassemble gas piston. Which makes me worry will my rifle require to be re zerod every time I clean my gas system? Honestly my mind is already thinking about wiping out a drill and making the mods I mentioned my self ::)
Wait, you have to take the handguard off to take the gas piston apart??? So not only do I have to remove my bayonet lug to put the handguard on, I also have to remove the handguard off just to disassemble the piston. What the hell HBI???
It takes pains to accessorize, doncha know! :o
And actually (not convinced that 4 screws out of the original 15 is adequate to hold the barrel & hand guard together on the receiver), you'll want to change out those four remaining screws and Nord Lock washers since they get knackered up in the process of disassembly / re-assembly, so off to Fastenal for those parts as you won't likely find them at your local hardware store -- because, of course, CZ USA doesn't stock any parts for these guns as of yet (i.e.: 16" barrels), and they have no idea when they will. As usual, covid is the easy, ready-made and hackneyed excuse for everybody to drop the ball these days...
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Do you guys know if this piece would fit the Bren 2?
https://www.preppergunshop.com/gear-head-works-scorpion-tailhook-mod-1-brace-adapter-with-cz-folding-cheek-rest-and-tailhook
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Do you guys know if this piece would fit the Bren 2?
https://www.preppergunshop.com/gear-head-works-scorpion-tailhook-mod-1-brace-adapter-with-cz-folding-cheek-rest-and-tailhook
I’m not 100% sure but I’m pretty sure it won’t. It says in the more information tab that it’s for a Scorpion. I’m pretty sure Scorpion and Bren won’t interchange. You might do some digging and see if Haga or HBIndustries makes an adapter.
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What Stater said, I don’t think it’s compatible.
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Did not see this until now, the Dan Haga Bren 2 lower receiver...takes US fcg and pg, so that would be five 922r compliant parts for a rifle conversion. Looks pretty slick!
https://danhagadesigns.com/bren-2-lower-receiver/
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Great catch and thanks for the link I had no clue he went live with these yet. I’ve looked this up in the past but I’ve forgotten already. How many parts need to be US to be 922r compliant again? I want to say 6 but that’s probably wrong.
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Great catch and thanks for the link I had no clue he went live with these yet. I’ve looked this up in the past but I’ve forgotten already. How many parts need to be US to be 922r compliant again? I want to say 6 but that’s probably wrong.
You can have a total of 10 foreign parts, of those designated by ATF under 922r.
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Thank you, man sometimes when I think about how asinine and pointless these laws are I fear I may roll my eyes too far back one day and get them stuck there. ::)
Is a fully assembled dan haga lower Enough to be 922r compliant?
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Thank you, man sometimes when I think about how asinine and pointless these laws are I fear I may roll my eyes too far back one day and get them stuck there. ::)
Is a fully assembled dan haga lower Enough to be 922r compliant?
What’s the first rule of fight club?
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Does anyone have a photo of a 14" with the HBI 10.8" hand guard, and the CZ stock on it?
Im trying to figure out which hand guard to get for my 14" 7.62.
Thanks
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Go to Danhagas Instagram page he had a few pictures with both HBI rails on different rifles. I wasn’t able to find a picture with the rail and a CZ stock so hopefully someone can jump in and send one but you should be able to get a good idea after Looking at Dans pictures.
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Go to Danhagas Instagram page he had a few pictures with both HBI rails on different rifles. I wasn’t able to find a picture with the rail and a CZ stock so hopefully someone can jump in and send one but you should be able to get a good idea after Looking at Dans pictures.
Thanks, I'll definitely check it out.
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And actually (not convinced that 4 screws out of the original 15 is adequate to hold the barrel & hand guard together on the receiver)...
I know what you're thinking and I had the same concerns at first, but when you tear apart the OEM handguard assembly, the only screws attaching the barrel to the receiver are the 4 that get replaced. (Marked with green arrows)
The screws marked with red arrows just hold together the pieces of the assembly. (I missed two on the lower rail, but those only help hold the lower rail onto the handguard assembly) This accounts for 9 of the 15. So realistically, its like going from 6 to 4. Except it's a bit more complicated - 2 of the 6 don't really contribute much.
The two on the bottom of the trunnion (orange arrows) only help attach the bottom rail to the handguard. Sensibly, if the barrel is secured to the handguard via that rail, and the handguard is secured to the receiver, then the barrel is secured to the receiver, right?
As it turns out, not really, since removing the 4 green marked screws means the entire assembly, handguard and barrel, is attached via only 2 of the red screws (the front 1 on each mounting plate that has 1 red and 2 green). Those two screws mate with holes in the receiver that are rather loose, and provide little retention. In fact, its the mounting plate which secures the lateral motion of those screws. And the mounting plates are secured by the 4 green screws.
Hence, if you delete all the screws but the green ones, nearly all of the force which secures the trunnion within the receiver is retained. You do lose the support of the bottom attachment via the handguard, but being that any support it provides is primarily dependent on the 4 primary screws anyway, it does little to add anything but weight to the design.
Which comes full circle to why this thing has 15 screws in the handguard anyway (16 if you count the one holding the sling swivels!). Its a vestige of a crappy redesign towards modularity on the part of CZ. The military Bren 2 models have the same 4+2 screws attaching the trunnion to the receiver and the 2 in that design provide even less support, since their attachment is leveraged at end of the lower rail, giving even less support to securing the barrel. The bottom screws are only there to provide an attachment point for the bottom rail, else CZ would have extended the receiver down to be bolted into directly.
Good call on the nordlocks by the way, those things get chowder'd so fast, HBI should really ship new ones. HBI does give you 4 new, much nicer screws though.
(https://i.imgur.com/fj8kCxk.jpg)
EDIT: Forgot an "s" and a comma. Also, split paragraph for emphasis.
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Thanks for the write-up. I never understood why people were so concerned. I have the carbine, and it only comes with the HBI setup from the factory.
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Thanks for the write-up. I never understood why people were so concerned. I have the carbine, and it only comes with the HBI setup from the factory.
Because the stock Ms handguard has so many stupid parts that it just transcends reason and inflicts it's idiocy onto anyone looking at. /s
What's the length of the carbine handguard anyway? I wonder if when they get around to pushing out barrel kits if a 16" barrel would work well with the HBI 10.8.
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Not sure where HBI measures from, but from the tip to the upper rail is 8 3/4" on the Carbine.
Might be an HBI part? Same mounting system, I even installed their QD handguard mount.
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Has HBI confirmed they designed the carbines mlok rail? I have yet to hear that.
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That's about 1 1/4" longer than the HBI long handguard, so maybe the gas system would stick out a bit?
Thanks for the measurement though.
Idk, might swap my pinned 14" for a 16" barrel then. Not being able to access the gas system for cleaning is kind of a pain in the ass.
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No problem, have you seen any Bren conversion parts for sale? I picked up a 14" in 7.62, and I'm curious what the costs are for barrels and other parts needed to change lengths/ calibers.
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There's no word that I've seen yet. My guess is they're gonna stockpile replacement parts and maybe 922r kits before conversion kits. But supply on everything is probably low. CZ proper is probably still focused on Bren military contracts. Add to that the fact that getting anything approved for import right now is gonna be a pain. State-side, it seems like CZUSA was already slow to get rolling on US made CZ parts before COVID. Now it seems like they're in standstill.
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I figured that conversion parts may not become available for awhile. Hope they do eventually.
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Sadly as of now there seems to be no spare parts for these guns besides what HBI and other aftermarket companies have created and no word on when there will be any from CZ. Like you said hopefully it won’t be too long but we just don’t know. I think the aftermarket is what will save this gun because it seems like CZ has their hands full Just trying meet demand for both their civilian and military sales. Seems to be a very popular gun which is great for aftermarket interest but bad since CZ can’t seem to find the time to make enough spare parts for the civilian market. Either way it’s a great gun and I can’t wait for it to take off and have some awesome conversion kits and aftermarket accessories. I mean between HBI and dan haga there is a decent amount of aftermarket accessories for a platform that is less than 2 years old on the US market.
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Finally a new brace option for the Bren that doesn’t require you to hard mount it with a screw. It comes with a end adapter that is removable similar to the stock one. Price is a little steep but it currently is the only one on the market of its kind that I am aware of at least so not absurd when you take that into context. Hopefully CustomSmith MFG becomes a big player in the Bren 2 market. They came out pretty strong for their first product.
https://customsmithmfg.com/shop/ols/products/csm-bren-2ms-tailhook-host
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Finally a new brace option for the Bren that doesn’t require you to hard mount it with a screw. It comes with a end adapter that is removable similar to the stock one. Price is a little steep but it currently is the only one on the market of its kind that I am aware of at least so not absurd when you take that into context. Hopefully CustomSmith MFG becomes a big player in the Bren 2 market. They came out pretty strong for their first product.
https://customsmithmfg.com/shop/ols/products/csm-bren-2ms-tailhook-host
Cool, BUT that just doesn’t look right to me... maybe it’s the tailhook is too small for the Bren 2, and the way they did the lightening I dunno... I definitely don’t like that it will cause a failure if fired while folded...
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Definitely agree that it’s not perfect and the look doesn’t flow with the Bren design all that well. What I do like is that it’s a Bren specific item that seems to have taken time to design how it connects to the platform. Not saying anything’s wrong with the screw on adapters but I just personally don’t like not being able to easily access my firearm internals for maintenance. That’s my major gripe with the 10.8” HBI rail. Love the looks but hate the lack of gas system access. I think function over form is higher in my priority, ideally function and form would both be good.
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Great to have options, it looks like the fit is tight. Wonder why they wouldn't include the tail hook, and package it as a complete brace.
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Agreed, in the video they say they also sell them. Why not just slap it on for us ???
The world may never know...
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I would like to see somebody develop a low-profile folding charging handle for the Bren 2. Similar to the B&T APC/GHM series folding charging handle.
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I’ve been wishing for the same thing. Mentioned it nearly every Bren video that comes out. It would fix the hand guard space issue since the stock charging handle position is smack dab right where I naturally want to place my hand which make the hand guard space feel worse than it is. I think from a design perspective a folding charging handle makes sense on these guns.
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Good day everyone. I'm looking for a better way to buy mag conversion kit. I'm from Philippines. Thank you
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Appears the HBI updated the BREN 2 handguard, went with the gas adjustment knob cutout route like on those SCAR rails. The older version appears to be phased out, I wonder if those had problems.
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Yeah I saw that, wish they would have done this from the beginning that’s the one thing I didn’t like about my original version. I was planning on modding it myself at some point. Would be awesome if they offered an option where I could send mine in for them to mill out the same window.
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I kind of like the older version better, I wish they'd keep both as like a model A and B
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Thats been out for awhile now. If you want an older one, just put up a post a lot of people are selling them for the new one.
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Don't own a BREN yet because of my residence, maybe I'll buy one and just hold it lol
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Appears the HBI updated the BREN 2 handguard, went with the gas adjustment knob cutout route like on those SCAR rails. The older version appears to be phased out, I wonder if those had problems.
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I like results besides scope mount, look too high and scope in shifted too much. Which Trijicon is this?
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Maybe not having to use a tool to remove that rail part would have been better.
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Hello guys!! I am looking for a 8 or a 14 inch barrel for my cz bren 2 ms desperately.
Could you guys please recommend??
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https://www.p2tactical.com/Picatinny-Rails_c_18.html
Preston Precision Picatinny rails for Bren 2
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My company that just started, makes PDW style stocks and braces for the CZ Bren 2 platform. Feel free to check our site! Thank you guys for your time. Id post pics but im on mobile and cant figure it out lol.
https://ursus-arma.company.site/
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Can anyone give suggestion for stock adapter for Bren 2, as this factory stock can't get at this moment https://usaeuropeoutdoor.com/product/cz-regulated-shoulder-stock-for-bren-2ms-3823-3400-01nd/ (https://usaeuropeoutdoor.com/product/cz-regulated-shoulder-stock-for-bren-2ms-3823-3400-01nd/) need some alternative option