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GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: ARK208 on January 12, 2020, 06:40:13 PM
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I am genuinely curious...what are your thoughts? I for one would LOVE to add a CZ in 10mm to my growing collection! Have fun and thanks for your input. :D
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I have the Dan Wesson Bruin in 10 mm. Since CZUSA owns them, it's listed in many places as a CZ.
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Using my firearm for self-defense and range shooting.. I see no need for 10mm for me.
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I can understand the attraction of 10mm if you're looking for something different. I'm happy enough with 9mm and 38 Super in pistols for defense and target use. 357 Mag in revolvers for target and hunting use along with 38 Special for defense. 10mm doesn't really do anything significantly better than rounds I already reload and shoot.
I have used a 10mm pistol and carbine for hunting a few times, 357 Mag seems to be a touch more effective on deer and hogs. I suspect it's a matter of the sectional density and shape of a 180gr 357 bullet vs 200gr 10mm bullet.
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I’d be interested in a CZ 10mm, but probably on on the 97 frame, not the P10 or P09 frames.
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No, not for me. I'm thoroughly wedded to 9mm now - cost, ease of use, availability of reloading components - along with .38 Special/.357 Magnum.
10mm sounds like a great hunting round and self-protection round outdoors -- in the woods -- but that is category much smaller than plinking, competition, self-defense, duty, etc.
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I had a 6" 1911 in 10mm. It was fun at first, but in the end it was just a novelty for other people to shoot so I sold it.
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No interest at all. I am not sure it would even meet the requirements needed for handgun hunting in my state, and if it did it doesn’t outperform 357 mag. Which IMO is too light for what I would be hunting (whitetails). And no interest as a range toy.
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Seems I had read some mixed stuff on a CZ75 clone in 10mm. (Witness model)
I was taught to shoot with 10mm, so I have always been interested. Based on what I read, I thought no to a Witness and was watching for different used guns, or considering ordering a 10mm Ruger revolver when a Sig Tacops in 10mm came into my life for a good price.
There are other guns I would prefer to try in 10, so I will play wait and see (reviews, find used, etc).
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Just no interest at all. My other multiple calibers keep me at the reloading bench as it is.
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I always wanted a Tagfolio Hunter; 10mm, 6" barrel. One sexy gun. Guess I grew up or something I just turned one down. Don't need the recoil or the expense of tooling up to reload.
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Yes please, because 10mm is awesome!
It can be downloaded for plinking or blistering hot.
What it can do that 357 cant, fit a lot in a double stack magazine. Plus s&w 610s are cool.
I had a witness 10mm the grip was wrong for my hand. The lower portion of the gun doesn't get support from the meat of my hand so it recoils straight into my thumb. The grip needs to be a bit longer for me. A 97 frame would be good.
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Yep...single stack, steel framed with decocker....be all over that for ccw...
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I have the Dan Wesson Bruin in 10 mm. Since CZ-USA owns them, it's listed in many places as a CZ.
I have the 10mm Pointman by Dan Wesson. Exquisite to look at and fun to shoot.
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I've said for years;
If CZ offered their 97 in 10mm, I'd be all over it
I've been after another HiCap 10mm for sometime
Actually, I have my eye on the 10mm Rock Island FS HC right now
(http://www.lipseys.net/images/52009.jpg?maxwidth=520)
So if CZ, CZC or CGW doesn't offer one soon, I'll be looking into a Rock Island, some-other Double Stack 10mm 1911, or a 2011 by the end of the year
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Always interested in cool new stuff from cz but pretty much never interested in 10mm.
9mm is my go-to for range work and gaming.
It also suffices for ccw.
I have .40 for more serious ccw if needed
I like 45 on the range as well and it's useful if something needs to be thumped a bit.
We know 10mm ammo ranges from .40SW equivalent to the low end of the hunting scale.
.40SW ballistics in a 10mm pkg don't appeal to me and
If I felt threatened by something dangerous enough to consider a full house 10mm load, I'd skip right over that and carry a .44 or similar serious revolver load.
I think I would instead expend my cz wishes on a .38 super 97bd or a nitride finish 9mm shadow 2, or a full dust cover 5" dan Wesson 9mm with magwell and royal blue. A 6" p10 longslide would not offend me either
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So if CZ, CZC or CGW doesn't offer one soon, I'll be looking into a Rock Island, some-other Double Stack 10mm 1911, or a 2011 by the end of the year
Forgive my ignorance, but DOUBLE stack 1911? I thought that was why the 2011 was named, as it was the double stacked model?
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I had a 6" 1911 in 10mm. It was fun at first, but in the end it was just a novelty for other people to shoot so I sold it.
...and full load 10mm is a bit hard to find or $$$.
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Parallel thread going on over in Ammo & Handloading Forum here...
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=108173.0
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Resurrecting the Bren Ten? Or something alone the line of ColtZ40? Personally, I wouldn't have much interest in a 10mm CZ pistol based on 97B frame...
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It's an AO1 isn't it?
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Forgive my ignorance, but DOUBLE stack 1911? I thought that was why the 2011 was named, as it was the double stacked model?
Look up Para Ordnance P14-45.
I own a Canadian model that was made totally reliable & highly accurized by Tussey Custom. I find comfort knowing there are 14 rounds of .45 inside my waistband.
I do not feel the need for 10mm rounds personally.
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Forgive my ignorance, but DOUBLE stack 1911? I thought that was why the 2011 was named, as it was the double stacked model?
As far as I understand it; the 2011 Pistols have a Modular Frame, a Full Length Dust Cover, a Utility Rail or some combination of them, like the STI 2011s or even the Single Stacked Colt Rail Gun is considered a 2011
Where as the all Steel Framed, standard Dust Cover, Double Stack Pistols like the Rock Island FS HC and the Para Ordnance R1 or P16 are still considered 1911s
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So if CZ, CZC or CGW doesn't offer one soon, I'll be looking into a Rock Island, some-other Double Stack 10mm 1911, or a 2011 by the end of the year
Forgive my ignorance, but DOUBLE stack 1911? I thought that was why the 2011 was named, as it was the double stacked model?
I believe it was STI that first coined the phrase 2011 (but I could be mistaken) to denote their double stack .45's.
Other companies have used it (RIA does or did for some of their pistols) other's just refer to them as double stack 1911's
Den may also be correct in that there are some frame differences such as rail's, flared mag-wells, etc.....
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Forgive my ignorance, but DOUBLE stack 1911? I thought that was why the 2011 was named, as it was the double stacked model?
2011 was STI's patent on the frame that actually already has expired.
STI's frame is a modular (3 combined parts).
Few Companies came with High Capacity magazines idea adopted to 1911 firearms, however frame in this firearm was still one steel part.
These days most people uses "2011" name for everything what looks like 1911 and has double stack magazine, however these two firearms are technologically different pistols.
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Forgive my ignorance, but DOUBLE stack 1911? I thought that was why the 2011 was named, as it was the double stacked model?
2011 was STI's patent on the frame that actually already has expired.
STI's frame is a modular (3 combined parts).
Few Companies came with High Capacity magazines idea adopted to 1911 firearms, however frame in this firearm was still one steal part.
These days most people uses "2011" name for everything what looks like 1911 and has double stack magazine, however these two firearms are technologically different pistols.
Late 80's early 90's they called these high capacity 1911's widebodies. I recall Para Ordinance making some with 14 rnd mags.
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when I hear "2011", I think of the Arsenal 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOC-iGQU_ow
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I’d be interested in a CZ 10mm, but probably on on the 97 frame, not the P10 or P09 frames.
I CZ launched a 10MM on a polymer frame I'd turn and run.
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when I hear "2011", I think of the Arsenal 2011
Hey... ;) it is not "2011".. it is "2 x 1911", which means 3822 ::)
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Might consider it but not a huge fan of 10mm.
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Only if they offer a slide conversion for the 97B and not a new pistol.
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Not for me. Limited my pistols to 9mm.
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If CZ made the 97 in 10mm I'd buy one tomorrow .
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Maybe if they put it in the new DWX....
(https://gastatic.com/digest/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/CZ-USA-Bren-DWX-457-Levi-Sim-1-2-1024x768.jpg)
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Maybe if they put it in the new DWX....
(https://gastatic.com/digest/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/CZ-USA-Bren-DWX-457-Levi-Sim-1-2-1024x768.jpg)
That would be a top seller.
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Only if they offer a slide conversion for the 97B and not a new pistol.
Sounds like you got your wish
$500 and change for the 10mm Conversion
$3,200.00 (I gather) is the hit for the Whole Pistol
Sorry, it's not worth that !
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4 options
Conversion into your gun
Conversion in new gun, no custom work
Custom build # 1, 10mm , accu, trigger work , sights, grips
Custom build #2, 10mm , accu, trigger work, sights, rail, grip reduction, high cut frame
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Yes please, because 10mm is awesome!
It can be downloaded for plinking or blistering hot.
What it can do that 357 cant, fit a lot in a double stack magazine. Plus s&w 610s are cool.
I had a witness 10mm the grip was wrong for my hand. The lower portion of the gun doesn't get support from the meat of my hand so it recoils straight into my thumb. The grip needs to be a bit longer for me. A 97 frame would be good.
I agree.
10mm is my favorite handgun caliber and I carry one every day.
The versatility of the 10mm makes it ideal in my opinion.
Load it light and get an easy to shoot round, or load it hot and don't worry about what critter decides to get aggressive when walking the back 40.
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THAT'S AWESOME!
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No for me. I stick with 9mm, .357 Sig, and .45 ACP
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I commend CZC for (finally) filling this niche
Nothing against them, but the asking price of over $3,000 is just a bit much for a Pistol and a couple Magazines
Or, I go this way ....
A new CZ97 (in 45acp that I DON'T want): $650 (with 14 Round, 45acp Mags that'll need to be modified to maybe hold 16 Rounds of 10mm)
10mm Conversion: $500+, +shipping
Extra Mags: $43 (a 14 Round, 45acp Mag that'll need to be modified to maybe hold 16 Rounds of 10mm) (2 @ $86)
Roughly, a bit under $1300 ... BUT ! ! !
No Compact or Longslide Uppers available (as of yet)
And no .22lr Conversion Units for the CZ97 (as of yet)
Where as .... I can get the 5" Rock Island Ultra FS HC (16+1) 10mm, 1911 for well under $700 (Yes, it's a Single, not a Double Action Pistol)
Extra 16 Round Mags: $33-35 (3 @ $105)
An Officer or Commander Length Upper (for a Semi Compact Set-up): $350
A 6" Longslide Upper: $400
An Advantage Arms 2011, .22lr Target Conversion Kit: $350
4 extra 2011, .22lr Mags: $180
The full set-up for just over $2000
I know it's NOT a CZC Loaded CZ97, but RI does make a very nice 1911
And like the Ruger SR1911, with the Rock Ultra, you get a lot of Pistol (extras) for the Buck
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I already have too many different calibers to add 10mm.
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I'm an absolute 10mm fan. It's my favorite round to reload for. This little forced vacation has afforded me much time at the reloading bench. I've reloaded over 1k rounds of 10mm with 180 and 200gr HSTs and both 800x and A9, all new Starline. If CZ offered an affordable 10mm I'd consider it but it's like with new car models, when a company gets too far outside their wheelhouse I'm always skeptical, stick with what your good at I guess. Not saying CZ couldn't produce a fine 10mm, I'm betting they can, but I wouldn't be setting myself up to be the Guinea pig. The 97 or DWX, or whatever it is, would work for me but good Lord, look at the price! Do they really want to sell them? .
As far as the 10mm being on the "low end" of the hunting scale, wrong. Go to the 10mm forums or some of the Alaskan guide sites. These guys take Glock20s with them to stop animals bigger than a car that IS going to eat them, and the 10mm HAS stopped them. 44mag? Yes, it will too. 357mag? Sorry, you just got eaten.
My sole 10mm is a Dan Wesson Silverback and I'll never part with that gun. It's just a blast to own. 135gr at blistering vel all the way up to 200+gr bettering 45acp by 500fps and more, come on. Alot of myth and interwebs rumour BS surround the 10mm and people just ignore it, took right to the 40S&W though all because the poor little fbi agents, who for the most part, like most other Leo's, are NOT gun people and are not shooters and couldn't handle the recoul of the big bad 10mm, but everybody took to the 40s&w? I just dont understand that.
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I like the 10mm ,mine is a rock island single stack, shoot it a lot and carry for work as hunting guide in Wyoming,before that had the witness in large frame shot it until framed cracked ,,also like the .40 in my cz 75 use what you like and I agree with dean
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I like 10mm so yes, I would consider a 10mm CZ.
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After more experience shooting 10mm this year, I'll have to revise my previous statement. I think a SP-01 in 10mm would be the bee's knees. ;)
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I picked up a used Rock Island Ultra Match in 10mm at a great price and have been shooting it off and on. It shoots great, really like it. I would love to have a CZ in 10mm to add to my CZ collection. I think a CZ in 10mm would be a great gun.
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Cz is my favorite gun. As far as another 10mm from this company.....no. Very bad experience with a Dan Wesson Kodiak, aweful. Sent it back 3 times and they could not even fix a failure to feed/ return to battery. 3X. 😳. Without a comment a check from them showed up at my house. BS. I guess that’s good, but this tri-color version is impossible to find. Beautiful Pistol, I would have kept it as a paper weight. Tang Elite and Jagare are awesome guns....bear killers 😂
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10mm is a nice caliber, I wouldn't mind having one.
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Not for me. I can barely handle a .45! And I love 9mm. I'd rather have a .357Sig again if I wanted a less popular cartridge. That's the ticket--.40 cal powder load pushing a 9mm JHP! At 200 yards of course. :) :)
There are no bad pistols, just some I can do without, personally.
Joe
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i got my CZ in 10, in the round about way - conversion.
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10mm is awesome. I once owned a Glock 20, and besides the 2x4 grip, I thought It was great. I don’t hunt, so I ended up selling it and purchased another CZ .That being said, if CZ made a 10mm, and it was build around the caliber, I would be all in. If it was a 10 or 12 rounder in a p10f or 97b, i’d probably pass.
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My FK 7.5 BRNO PSD (polymer frame version of the Field Pistol) came with a 10mm barrel to swap out with the 7.5 FK barrel.
I took it to the range last Saturday for the first time. It performed quite well with the 10mm barrel.
I also have a Dan Wesson Bruin in 10mm which is a 1911 frame/action but with a long slide/barrel. That gun in awesome!
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I'm 10'd out :-) With a Colt Gold Cup Delta Elite, an RIA wide body, and Tanfoglio I have the 10 well covered.
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@DenStinett ... my wallet HATES you. But I ain't mad. I should 'splain.
I saw the 3k tag on the 10 and just chuckled. But $500 plus a 97 is prolly gonna cost me $500 and a 97. Unless I stumble across a 10 DWX under 2k before I buy the conversion. Yes, the conversion is up for purchase before a 97, but the 97 has been on my maybe list for plenty time.
I am a 10mm guy. If I could only keep what I could carry ... it would be my only pistol caliber. I'm a 1911 guy first and my Dan Wesson Silverback is a CZ. Wildly (by my behavioral pattern), it is my only 10mm pistol. But that's 'cause I haven't contemplated another that actually offers any improvements that matter to me. To be fair, I have nearly bought the Bruin a few times 'cause I nearly convinced myself I'll hunt with it if I buy it. Truth is, I'm still not a hunter.
At any rate, my Silverback has been on my hip since Winter Storm Uri came to town. 10mm just goes well with heavily layered bad guys. With luck, I will edit in a photo of my beautiful 10mm CZ.
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The 10mm S&W caliber is unpopular in the EU because there is less choice of cartridges compared to the 9mm Luger and the price is higher. In addition, many 9mm Luger cartridges are now available that are equivalent to the performance of 10mm S&W.
Can you provide links to these examples of 9mm ammo that are equivalent to the performance of 10mm? I'd like to see the ballistic breakdown on these rounds.
While there are some examples out there of fairly 'weak' 10mm loads that are more akin to 40 S&W, I have yet to come across a true, full-power 10mm load that is 'equivalent' to anything I've seen chambered in 9mm in terms of terminal ballistics, including +P/NATO. There's a reason most handgun hunters, at least in N. America, who choose a semi-auto to hunt with also choose 10mm. I can't say I know any handgun hunters who opt for 9mm.
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I don't doubt prices for .40 S&W and 10mm might be more expensive in Europe, but I just returned from the York, Pa. gun show and 9mm was at a minimun $10.00 more expensive than 10mm. Choices for 10mm were on a par with 9mm choices at this particular show. I am not stating in general. 9mm FMJ was averaging $50.00/box of 50. I picked up a box of 50 JHP 10mm for the same money. FMJ S&B 10mm was $40.00/box. Ammo is hot here. Local gun stores have 10mm Blazer Brass for $22.95/50 round box. 9mm, not so much.
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"Would you buy a CZ in 10mm?"
My answer is a clear NO.
I wrote already in another thread:
The 10mm S&W caliber is unpopular in the EU because there is less choice of cartridges compared to the 9mm Luger and the price is higher. In addition, many 9mm Luger cartridges are now available that are equivalent to the performance of 10mm S&W.
Furthermore, as a hunter in Germany, I am only allowed to own 2 handguns. Therefore a pistol in a different, similar caliber makes no sense. That's why both of my pistols are 9mm Luger.
For the CZ P07 I also have an exchange system .22lr.
Just a nit, but I don't think 10 S&W is popular anywhere. It is not a thing.
10mm is a tremendously versatile cartridge. It can be loaded from powderpuff 40 levels to a level commonly compared to 357 magnum.
I would be scared of a 9mm pushing almost 700 ftlb force/second at the muzzle. My Silverback (5" barrel) pushes 650 to 700 with Federal Trophy Bonded. I'm getting over 1000 ftlb force/sec out of Trophy Bonded in a 16" barreled carbine.
40 Smith & Wesson is a direct modification of 10mm. Smith & Wesson downloaded and shortened the 10mm cartridge. Brilliant move on their part because the shorter length opened up 9mm sized frames to the new cartridge. So S&W didn't bring us 10mm.
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When I write 10mm S&W, I mean .40 S&W, not 10mm Auto. 10mm Auto is an exotic caliber in Germany, at the moment I don't know any pistol that is available in this caliber in Germany.
Ok, now I understand your comments a little better. I'm not referring to 40 S&W, I'm referring to full-power 10mm, which can be a significantly more powerful round, depending on how it is loaded, and is not really comparable to 9mm Luger at all.
And by the way, that's what this thread is about - a CZ pistol chambered to handle 10mm. There have been a number of CZ models in the past chambered for 40 S&W.
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Because 10mm Auto is a rarely used and as said an exotic caliber in Germany, 10mm is almost automatically equated with .40 S&W, especially since .40 corresponds to 10mm according to the metric system.
If the title of the thread had spoken of 10mm Auto, I also would have understood that better. ;)
Well, this has been educational. ;)
In N. America, at least, most people only say "10mm" when they obviously mean "10mm Auto" for the same reason most people only say "9mm" when they are referring "9mm Luger." It's assumed, unless you specify otherwise, like "9mm Makarov," for example. 40 S&W Wesson and 10mm Auto may share the same case head diameter, but nobody confuses the two, for the same reasons no one confuses .38 Special with .357 Magnum, even though they also share the same case head diameter. Diameter alone obviously isn't the only defining characteristic of a cartridge load.
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What was the line in the movie Independence Day? "We got to work on our communication."
I read 10mm .40 S&W as two separate cartridges. See above. [emoji16]
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I am genuinely curious...what are your thoughts? I for one would LOVE to add a CZ in 10mm to my growing collection! Have fun and thanks for your input. :D
NO..
9MM and ..45 ACP.
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I second the single stack 10mm as well
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Absolutely!!! I want a 10mm as a bear defense gun for hunting and hiking. Having one made by CZ is the ultimate dream. I would take it in the 97B, P10F, or P09. Running a good light and a compensator on the end of the P10F or P09 would do wonders in helping to tame the recoil of a heavy bear load. I got excited when i heard CZ Custom would be making a 97B…then i saw the $2.5-3K price. A CZ 10mm would be awesome, but at the CZC price i would rather just get a Glock 20 or build a Polymer 80 full size in 10mm.
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I wanted to. Tanfoglio already makes CZ clones in 10MM.
What I would really like is a P09 style frame in 10MM. Then I could say goodbye to the meh ergos of my 10MM glock...
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Only If - whether now, or in previous “normal” times - the Cheapest 10 mm Ammo prices were similar to the Cheapest 9mm ammo.
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I've been shooting and reloading the 10 for over 25 years or so, or whenever Smith came out with the 1006. It replaced my 4" .357's as a woods gun. I've loaded it from 135 to 200 grains.
A Razorback loaded with 200 gr., hardcast was on my hip while up north videoing a small grizzly with two cubs a couple of weeks ago.
I have 2 Dan Wesson's and would purchase a p10 10mm in a heartbeat. I'm patiently waiting for it but I have my eye out for a 4.25 " Springfield at the moment, which seem to be very scarce. I'd also consider a steel frame CZ in 10mm at a reasonable price. There are plenty of Glocks available but I don’t care for them.
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I would be interested in buying a 10mm CZ if it were competitive in price w/ comparable 10mm Tanfoglio & Glock models. E.g., a CZ 97B in 10mm should not be more than $750 max.
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I've been searching for an optic ready P-10c and I stumbled across a 97B that had been converted to 10mm using a Barsto barrel. This was on a major gun dealer website and was some sort of limited run edition. Unfortunately I can't recall the website. But the price was around $1085 or thereabouts IIRC so it caught my eye. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the $2500 + model that was written about a while back. Of course it was out of stock but it caught my eye.
Who knows whether or not a new barrel and RSA would work on the 97B, I don't have the knowledge, skill, inclination or money to find out. But as others have previously stated I would get in line for a factory P-10, P-09 or 97B at a reasonable price. It requires some engineering skill to get every thing just right to fire heavy 10mm reliably. Something along the lines of the Sig 220, which I'd like to try too if I could find a spare $1750-$2k, I'd want the DA/SA version, especially since I have a couple of 1911's in 10mm. I did see factory CZ P-10's in .40 S&W advertised which I didn't think existed. I think it was on Sportsman's Warehouse IIRC. Out of stock of course. But it gave me hopes that CZ engineers may have been tinkering with the .40 in the P-10 platform.
I have a renewed interest in a .45 range pistol so I may check out the 97B, but I've never handled one.
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I will definitely buy a CZ in 10mm caliber, what a better way to have new fun and experience.
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I would be in for a Cz anything in 10mm.
Probably not the 97bd as much as another choice.
My current 10mm's are tanfoglio, pf45 Glock 20, kimber and Dan Wesson.
I prefer the Tanfoglio witness 45 to my Cz 97bd.
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I think the CZ97 platform would be a GREAT platform for the 10mm round. I'm surprised CZ hasn't gone this route and did a 97 in 10mm.
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In 1985, Irving Stone made a run of barrels for Colt in 10mm. He sold me one of the over-runs. He also pointed me to to Huntington Die Specialties for a die set, which they made up for me. It was marked "10mm Bren". Speer had one, and only one box of 10mm pistol bullets. Irv told me that they were able to modify the Wilson magazine to feed the 10mm "ok". With that, the project was on.
I opened up the breech face of a 38Super Colt slide, fit the barrel to that slide and an existing frame, and loaded up some test shots with Blue Dot starting with 38Super load data (oh heck, there was nothing on the radar for data in those days). Things worked, but it was sort of anemic.
Two things happened when I loaded up a little warmer. First, the Wilson magazines needed more tweakage, and stronger springs. What was happening is that a loaded cartridge would fly out of the ejection port along with an empty. Sometimes, the next one in the mag would feed, but usually not. Second, I started to consider slide velocity. Conservation of momentum being what it is, I considered ways to add weight to the slide. My solution was one of those "barrel bushing" comps, which really are nothing more than weight on the slide. I forget who made it. Probably Wilson. Its weight was a near perfect offset to the added slide velocity that otherwise would have occurred. Hot 10mm, cartridges now resulted in the same slide velocity as the 45ACP. And yes, I had a 10mm "Government Model" before Colt released theirs. Nobody calle 'em 1911's back then.
So why the story? Because I don't think anyone has really devised a good 10mm handgun yet. Double springs, flat wound springs, buffers and gizmos don't really and fully overcome the obstacles, nor make for a handgun that will have really great life expectancy.
Therefore.... 10mm in a handgun gets no nod of tacit approval from me.
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The S&W 3rd gen guns models 1006/1076 were very good guns in 10mm. There are plenty of good guns out there chambered for the round they just may not be what everybody wants. I've got little to no interest in the round and if I did I wouldn't be interested in a Glock or any other striker fired model but an old S&W could be a possibility.
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CJB thanks for more 10mm history.
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I hunt pigs with SIG P220/10 and FK/BRNO PSD. Both are very good but a double stack 10 is on my list. The 97 conversion may be the ticket. 10mm is rising again and CZ should cash in.