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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: BrentTheBoat on March 06, 2020, 07:03:53 AM
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Hey all,
Just saw on Cz's Instagram that they are coming out with a micro version of the p10. Don't know how to link to the post, but it looks pretty good. Looks like a response to the p365 and hellcat, but do not know how many rounds it holds.
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Looks like a response to the p365 and hellcat, but do not know how many rounds it holds.
Nope, just another low capacity single stack. :(
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No thanks. I don't like baby pistols.
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What a disappointment 7+1?
I saw a teaser about this gun yesterday and thought it would be a 365 and Hellcat competitor.
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7+1 capacity is definitely disappointing.
https://www.czub.cz/en/firearms-and-products-product/cz-p-10-m
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Why it is disappointing? I think it a good response from CZ to all people looking for good concealment. 1/4 inch less in width is a lot. Good balance between size and capacity.
If someone likes more rounds, there is P-10S available.
In my opinion - good move from CZ
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It's disappointing because other competitors offer significantly more capacity in the same size package. I'm sure it's a nice little gun, but many comparison shoppers will dismiss it due to the relatively low capacity and that's a shame.
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It’s very disappointing.
The micro kings are the 365’s and the Hellcat. Micro size with sub compact capacity and compact capacity with a extended magazine. Sig even discontinued the P320 Sub Compact.
It’s 2020 the Micro baseline is 10 rounds of 9mm like it or not the 365 changed the game.
Just like the Glock 19 was the sweet spot of compact capacity for CC and many manufacturers went for that G19 sweet spot even CZ with the P10C which for me personally is a Glock 19 killer.
I carry my P10C frequently with 15 rounds sometimes 17. When I carry my 365 or 365 XL with 12 I’m only missing 3 rounds not 8. Depending on the shirt I’m wearing I can carry my 365 XL with 15 rounds.
It just seems to me CZ went backwards to compete with the Glock 43 and I love my CZ’s. In my opinion nothing feels like a CZ in hand.
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7+1 capacity is definitely disappointing.
https://www.czub.cz/en/firearms-and-products-product/cz-p-10-m
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Thanks for the link....
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seebee62 & boomenshutzen -> fair judgement.
I didn't think about having 10 or 12 rounds in such small pistol. I've been always ok with 7+1 in single stack concealed / backup gun.
Anyway let's see how it goes. Hopefully somebody at CZ made such decision based on people's demand. Or they just come with this one for market research and then will add extended mag...
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What's with the internal slide stop ??
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CZ is so far behind other gun manufacturers its disappointing. CZ needs something to compete with the Sig 365/365XL!
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Internal slide stop - something like Walther PP, PPK or PPK/S. I guess CZ thought that the slide stop will protrude from the frame in some unusual fashion ?
I agree that the micro pistol magazines in 9mm need to house 10 rounds of ammo or more to compete with P365 or Hellcat. Sig P365 definitely pushed the bar so high that it seems to be a waste of time, money or effort to design a single stack 7+1 small pistol.
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Love my CZ weapons and this looks pretty good, but I will continue to stick with my M&P Shield 9 that has served me without issue since I got it many years ago. I gave the P365 a go when it came out and went back to the Shield.
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I'm in the disappointment camp. I too was hoping for a P365/Hellcat competitor. At least 10 rounds and maybe an optics ready option. I'll stick with my PPS for now as my small carry gun. Too bad. I love my CZs and carry my P10c and will carry my PCR when it gets back from CGW.
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Just make me some STEEL sights for the P-10C Optics Ready, already...
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I guess it's okay if you're not man enough to carry a full size, or compact pistol.🤷???
Your BUG should be the same size as your regular carry.
If you're going to do it do it right.
jmho
This makes no sense.
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I guess it's okay if you're not man enough to carry a full size, or compact pistol.🤷???
Your BUG should be the same size as your regular carry.
If you're going to do it do it right.
jmho
This makes no sense.
No it doesn't. I can carry a full size 1911 all day long and J-frame in a pocket if I want but 2 full size pistols would just be nonsense. I think he's just being cute.
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I guess it's okay if you're not man enough to carry a full size, or compact pistol.🤷???
Your BUG should be the same size as your regular carry.
If you're going to do it do it right.
jmho
This makes no sense.
No it doesn't. I can carry a full size 1911 all day long and J-frame in a pocket if I want but 2 full size pistols would just be nonsense. I think he's just being cute.
First part of what I said was a bad attempted being funny.
The second part about carrying a B U G.
Does make sense.
If your 1st gun is a 45 ACP 1911 as your EDC, on your right hip ,ie Godzilla,
And you're 45 runs out of ammo or you have a bad malfunction, why would you then pull a bunny B U G " 2nd gun" from an ankle holster thats smaller than your first gun.
Why not just carry aother 1911 on your left hip.
If you want to carry a B U G , then do it right.
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First part of what I said was a bad attempted being funny.
The second part about carrying a B U G.
Does make sense.
If your 1st gun is a 45 ACP 1911 as your EDC, on your right hip ,ie Godzilla,
And you're 45 runs out of ammo or you have a bad malfunction, why would you then pull a bunny B U G " 2nd gun" from an ankle holster thats smaller than your first gun.
Why not just carry aother 1911 on your left hip.
If you want to carry a B U G , then do it right.
Somebody is spending too much time dreaming up tactical Timmy dream sequences. . .
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Well you can either be serious about your ccw or not.
Some people want to be prepared for whatever comes down the street and some don't.
Your ideals are not everybody else's and neither are mine.
I'm also simply amazed that some people don't even carry an extra magazine.🤔
Jmho, I don't pick a particular weapon according to what I'm wearing.
Are we supposed to have a dressy gun, sporty gun, or a casual gun ?
Carry what you shoot the best and dress "around" your weapon.
CCW isn't supposed to be comfortable.
CCW can be uncomfortable and inconvenience, it's a lifestyle choice.
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There are many options today where you can have a casual rig a dressy rig and a sporty rig.
If I have on sweat pants I’ll use my Alien Gear Sports Band with its Kydex Shell and Carry my P365 with 10 or 12 rounds and a reload in my pocket.
I’m a professional musician and if I have a job that requires me to dress semi formal where I have to have a tucked shirt with a vest or a suit jacket and a tie I’ll go P365 with 10 rounds with a reload in my pocket.
If I’m doing my weekly blues gig very casual untucked shirt I can carry my P10C, P320, P07, or P365 XL.
So if a job situation requires me to dress a certain way or I want to dress a certain way for that day I’ll be armed and I’ll have the gear to allow me to be armed for whatever I have on.
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Disappointing or not, CZ made this model for purpose.
As they stated on website:
At the same time, we pay close attention to the needs and requirements of all our groups of customers.
Seems CZ tried to fill the gap in CC line.
There are still people who know that defensive encounter doesn't require even 7+1 ;)
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Disappointing or not, CZ made this model for purpose.
As they stated on website:
At the same time, we pay close attention to the needs and requirements of all our groups of customers.
Seems CZ tried to fill the gap in CC line.
There are still people who know that defensive encounter doesn't require even 7+1 ;)
While statistically true, from a marketing perspective I fear this may be a swing and a miss. I hope that I'm wrong because I want CZ to be successful and produce more awesome products.
CZ, if you're listening, make a slim P-07 (Glock 48ish in size) and I'll buy two. Surely that'll cover the R&D costs, right?
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Disappointing or not, CZ made this model for purpose.
As they stated on website:
At the same time, we pay close attention to the needs and requirements of all our groups of customers.
Seems CZ tried to fill the gap in CC line.
There are still people who know that defensive encounter doesn't require even 7+1 ;)
Nobody that's experienced a DGU ever said, "boy, I'm sure glad I didn't have more ammo". Your comment should have read, "average" defensive encounter. Even then, your own personal DGU may not be "average". 7rd pocket 9's were a compromise dictated by current design. That design restriction is no longer applicable. A few more rounds of capacity in a gun that isn't shot proficiently by most people that own them. . .well why wouldn't that be desirable?
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Nobody that's experienced a DGU ever said, "boy, I'm sure glad I didn't have more ammo". Your comment should have read, "average" defensive encounter. Even then, your own personal DGU may not be "average". 7rd pocket 9's were a compromise dictated by current design. That design restriction is no longer applicable. A few more rounds of capacity in a gun that isn't shot proficiently by most people that own them. . .well why wouldn't that be desirable?
It would be great to hear a word from CZ designer. I'm not able answer any of the questions asked on this thread ::)
However I'm still with the few who believes that P-10M was made for purpose, not to disappoint CZ users.
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Disappointing or not, CZ made this model for purpose.
As they stated on website:
At the same time, we pay close attention to the needs and requirements of all our groups of customers.
Seems CZ tried to fill the gap in CC line.
There are still people who know that defensive encounter doesn't require even 7+1 ;)
While statistically true, from a marketing perspective I fear this may be a swing and a miss. I hope that I'm wrong because I want CZ to be successful and produce more awesome products.
CZ, if you're listening, make a slim P-07 (Glock 48ish in size) and I'll buy two. Surely that'll cover the R&D costs, right?
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I think it will be a miss but CZ will be fine if it is. CZ will always be high on my list for guns I want to buy. I want a Black P10C because mine is FDE and I love it but I would love a Black one also.
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Who am I kidding? I'm still probably going to buy one. SMH
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I'll probably buy one too but I will continue to carry my P365 every day.
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Has anyone found any info if P10M would be available at USA?
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I still want one, but I don't know if this would replace my PPS M2. If they introduced a 10+1 P-10M, I would sell my G26 in an instant.
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What's with the internal slide stop ??
Best question so far! I would like to know as well. All of yous realize this micro P-10 may not make it to the USA? Also, The new P-10 SC is going to Europe first and may not be released in the USA? Last but not least.....people asking CZ to give me this or that and I'll buy 2. Well, CZ has started a new line of Striker Fired Guns and that does not include hammer-fired Guns....sorry! I plan on buying one of each P-10 pistol! That does not mean I have to use each and everyone.....that's called a collection or addiction whichever word you prefer....
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I'm looking to try out the CZ DA/SA hammer-fired decocker version of this, even if it doesn't have a higher capacity stack-and-a-half magazine. Don't really care about this striker-fired version, although I'm sure it'll be a fine gun for what it is. I have shot a P-10C and it doesn't disappoint, compared to the Glocks I used to own and carry.
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I'm looking to try out the CZ DA/SA hammer-fired decocker version of this, even if it doesn't have a higher capacity stack-and-a-half magazine.
Which one would it be? ???
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I'm looking to try out the CZ DA/SA hammer-fired decocker version of this, even if it doesn't have a higher capacity stack-and-a-half magazine.
Which one would it be? ???
The one they eventually release, or maybe the one they never release, because they're focused on the striker-fired market, and because it's easier to fit striker-fired internals into a single-stack pistol...
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The one they eventually release, or maybe the one they never release, because they're focused on the striker-fired market, and because it's easier to fit striker-fired internals into a single-stack pistol...
Knowing ... or not knowing CZ... it would be: "maybe the one they never release" ;D
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Other than the Springfield XD-E I can't think of another polymer single stack DA/SA.
There is a resurgence in TDA popularity as the Beretta 92 is retired and nostalgia grows...and people rediscover that human beings are, in fact, capable of managing a DA/SA pull. If you're going to be hamstringed by lackluster capacity behind the P365 and Hellcat you might as well be different.
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There are some almost personal attacks going on here - let's not do that, shall we?
I will probably get one too, and I do like the concept of a BUG, which right now my P-10S works perfectly for. The internal slide stop is probably in part because the P-10 slide stop is factory stiffer than a life sentence and over the top is the best way to release it anyway. :) I would love to try this - shot the brand new Glock single stack two weeks ago and was seriously unimpressed.
ANother thing to consider is a 7+1 gun will sell in states/locales that restrict magazine capacity, especially those that say "firearm that can accept a magazine greater than 10 rounds), which every other P-10 can, so this might be the slide for CZ into some restricted markets and get people to experience CZ goodness as well.
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Thanks for stepping in. The criticism is uncalled for, particularly since the gun has not yet seen a light of day.
Freedom of speech does not mean selfish, self centered and unreasonable opinions that add absolutely nothing to this forum.
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Not to mention it will not be imported into the US. The P10M does not meet the criteria under GCA 68 for importability. So we are arguing over nothing. If CZ-USA makes it here, perhaps they can make a US version with a higher capacity mag, like the PPK and PPK/S differences. Who knows
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CZ’s Instagram seems to indicate it will be available in the US. [emoji2371].
People from the US keep asking when will it be available and CZ replies very soon check with your LGS.
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Not to mention it will not be imported into the US. The P10M does not meet the criteria under GCA 68 for importability. So we are arguing over nothing. If CZ-USA makes it here, perhaps they can make a US version with a higher capacity mag, like the PPK and PPK/S differences. Who knows
What about the P10M doesn't comply with GCA 68? Since. The G42, and G43 were initially imported from Austria, I didn't even consider this. I would've thought the US market is the prime target for this type of pistol.
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Thanks for stepping in. The criticism is uncalled for, particularly since the gun has not yet seen a light of day.
Freedom of speech does not mean selfish, self centered and unreasonable opinions that add absolutely nothing to this forum.
Freedom of speech simply doesn't apply here, but this is primarily a discussion forum. This place has never been a "fanboy only" site and will lose a great deal of hard earned credibility should it ever become one.
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CZ’s Instagram seems to indicate it will be available in the US. [emoji2371].
People from the US keep asking when will it be available and CZ replies very soon check with your LGS.
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Oh yeah!! 8) I'm in.
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Not to mention it will not be imported into the US. The P10M does not meet the criteria under GCA 68 for importability. So we are arguing over nothing. If CZ-USA makes it here, perhaps they can make a US version with a higher capacity mag, like the PPK and PPK/S differences. Who knows
What about the P10M doesn't comply with GCA 68? Since. The G42, and G43 were initially imported from Austria, I didn't even consider this. I would've thought the US market is the prime target for this type of pistol.
If they brought in early G42 pistols from Austria, they were probably intended for the Blue Label program (since they get different rules). All of the G42s I've handled were domestic.
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Not to mention it will not be imported into the US. The P10M does not meet the criteria under GCA 68 for importability. So we are arguing over nothing. If CZ-USA makes it here, perhaps they can make a US version with a higher capacity mag, like the PPK and PPK/S differences. Who knows
What about the P10M doesn't comply with GCA 68? Since. The G42, and G43 were initially imported from Austria, I didn't even consider this. I would've thought the US market is the prime target for this type of pistol.
If they brought in early G42 pistols from Austria, they were probably intended for the Blue Label program (since they get different rules). All of the G42s I've handled were domestic.
My wife's G43 has Austria markings, another that we had and later sold was made here. Just curious, if a P10C or a G43 can be imported, why not the P10M?
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Doesn't CZ have manufacturing capability in the US?
WTH only a 2-inch barrel?
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Doesn't CZ have manufacturing capability in the US?
WTH only a 2-inch barrel?
85 millimeters = 3.346 inches
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My wife's G43 has Austria markings, another that we had and later sold was made here. Just curious, if a P10C or a G43 can be imported, why not the P10M?
The G42 is in .380 which has a significant import point penalty compared to a 9x19mm. The Walther PPK in .380 is not importable because it missed having enough points based on weight (using the longer PP frame was just enough of a weight boost, so they made the PPK/S for the US market). A G42 is a lot lighter than a PPK.
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My wife's G43 has Austria markings, another that we had and later sold was made here. Just curious, if a P10C or a G43 can be imported, why not the P10M?
I think, CZ is waiting until after the 2020 election! If, Biden wins everything will change in the USA as far as Gun production goes.
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I think, CZ is waiting until after the 2020 election! If, Biden wins everything will change in the USA as far as Gun production goes.
:o >:( ??? >:( :-[ >:( :-X :( :-\ >:( :'( :(
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10 rounds should be the capacity on this handgun, they dropped the ball big time on this one, hopefully someone will design a real ten round mag for this handgun not an extension for the existing mags which are sure to pop up. If this was 10 rounds I would jump on it now. The p365 has a flimsy frame, CZ just plain blew it. I would get a S&W EZ 9 custom shop model over this when it comes out, I already have the 380 custom shop model and love it.
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85 millimeters = 3.346 inches
Oops, haha.
The 365 isn't that much smaller than a Rami, so I wonder if CZ figured that size covered.
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As some of you may know, I work as ProStaff for the company that represents CZ-USA in the upper Midwest (IA, IL, IN, MI, MN, WI). I was talking with the guy I work for yesterday.
The official word from CZ-USA is that there are currently no plans to import the P-10m into the US since it doesn't qualify on GCA68 import points. Dealers were calling to place orders, so he confirmed this with CZ-USA.
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Well at least they are working on it! Hopefully, they make a 10 round for the US, wouldnt mind seeing bith here.
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This is a 450 foot foul ball. They go to the trouble to design a 1" gun and they end up with 33% less magazine capacity than the baseline that the market has set. I carry a PPS M2 about 1/2 the year based on weather/dress and this gives me zero reason to buy the P10M.