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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Curio and Relic CZs => Topic started by: deanosaurus on April 23, 2020, 02:12:28 PM

Title: CZ-24 - not military marked?
Post by: deanosaurus on April 23, 2020, 02:12:28 PM
Good afternoon all,

I just picked up this CZ24 from a gentleman who bought it 50 years ago (and sadly lost the original grips after making these himself). It is, however, in wonderful condition, still showing straw coloring on the trigger and safety release buttons.

Images here: https://imgur.com/a/aCxYpeo

It does not have typical military markings as referenced in the research material I have available to me - nothing on the front strap, no year on the slide (in fact there is what looks an awful lot like a Star of David where I think there should be a year on the top of the slide). The only marking on the pistol not shown in these photos is a lion proof on the barrel.

One magazine is marked with a CZ/Arrow; the other is not.

Everybody hopes they have a rare bird, of course, but I'm curious to know what someone who knows more than me, and/or has more reference material than I do, might have to say about this individual specimen.

Thanks!
Title: Re: CZ-24 - not military marked?
Post by: rdcinhou on April 23, 2020, 06:32:02 PM
I'm away from my home library with the books explaining the marks, but I believe that the "J" and the "T" identify groups that the gun was proofed and assigned to.

I may get to make a brief trip home this weekend and I'll try to remember to revisit this post.

It looks to be in better condition than my CZ24.

How does it shoot?
Title: Re: CZ-24 - not military marked?
Post by: eastman on April 23, 2020, 08:24:33 PM
The J (Lion) 31 is the military acceptance mark dating that to 1931.

6-pointed star may be a proof mark based on the section in Berger's book
Title: Re: CZ-24 - not military marked?
Post by: BOGEYB on March 18, 2021, 07:43:41 PM
My 24 is a little later ( 111,xxx ).It has the CZ 31 and J35 proofs. It also has yhe same six sided star on the topstrap. I think this is a standard Czech military gun.

                                     Mike ;D
Title: Re: CZ-24 - not military marked?
Post by: rdcinhou on March 19, 2021, 04:13:05 AM
I had forgotten about this post, but I did bring my book from home recently.

The J {lion} 31 indicates that it was assigned to a Cavalry regiment and was the 31st weapon (inventory).

The T 30 indicates that it also had been used by the Signal Corps and was the 30th weapon (inventory).

The six-pointed start is a proof mark from Weipert.
Title: Re: CZ-24 - not military marked?
Post by: eastman on March 19, 2021, 09:13:13 PM
I had forgotten about this post, but I did bring my book from home recently.

The J {lion} 31 indicates that it was assigned to a Cavalry regiment and was the 31st weapon (inventory).

The T 30 indicates that it also had been used by the Signal Corps and was the 30th weapon (inventory).

The six-pointed start is a proof mark from Weipert.

on p96 of Berger, he illustrates the "J {lion} date" format as indicative of a military acceptance mark from mid-1920s to late-1930s.
Title: Re: CZ-24 - not military marked?
Post by: rdcinhou on March 20, 2021, 06:08:57 AM
on p96 of Berger, he illustrates the "J {lion} date" format as indicative of a military acceptance mark from mid-1920s to late-1930s.

I stand corrected...I was mixing up the page 94 information.

On page 96, Berger apparently has a typo (maybe 2?) as he says "27 for year of acceptance" although the image says "37".

The second possible typo:  "J for office".  Did he maybe mean "officer"? 
The page 94 unit designations has "J" as Cavalry.
Title: Re: CZ-24 - not military marked?
Post by: eastman on March 20, 2021, 10:19:48 PM
on p96 of Berger, he illustrates the "J {lion} date" format as indicative of a military acceptance mark from mid-1920s to late-1930s.

I stand corrected...I was mixing up the page 94 information.

On page 96, Berger apparently has a typo (maybe 2?) as he says "27 for year of acceptance" although the image says "37".

The second possible typo:  "J for office".  Did he maybe been "officer"? 
The page 94 unit designations has "J" as Cavalry.

or did the "J" represent a specific office which did the acceptance?