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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: bobjd on May 05, 2020, 07:19:41 PM
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Started looking for a CZ 75 Compact and of course saw the CZ P-01 steel frame. How do they compare? It appears that there is a $150+ price difference and not sure what the difference is for the price increase. Just looking for some input. I am looking for steel frame but depending on the input could go with other. It will be mainly used as a range gun, steel plate shooting, and sometime carry.
Any info from members that have one or both or have another suggestion will be appreciated.
Thanks
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P01 steel frame is a little more rare. With both being steel framed the big difference will be decocker and rail vs manual safety and no rail.
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Differences:
CZ 75 Compact (steel frame)
safety
no picatinny rail
plastic grip panels
serrated trigger
P-01 (steel frame)
decocker -> my mistake... it comes with safety !
picatinny rail
rubber grip panels
smooth face trigger
I do carry P-01 (actually Omega, because of ambidexterity) . I can mount light on it.
However I do like how Compact looks, it is closer to 1911 style (my favorite handgun).
I treat P-01 as a higher version of CZ75 Compact because it was designed for LE and Military duty.
And whatever is made for Military must be better.... (just my opinion :D)
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CZ 75 Compact(91190), and the P-01 steel frame (99041, 99021) are both safety models. The steel P-01 weighs more and has an upswept beavertail and as mentioned, a light rail. The steel frame P-01does not have a decocker.
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Oh man. All the steel frame p01’s have safeties? Til. Nice.
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The steel frame P-01does not have a decocker.
O0 Oh, sh**.. I'm sorry, my bad... I mixed my guns... :o
OK. I'm gonna modify my post... THX Earl Keese.
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Steel P-01 because it has the upswept beavertail.
I love CZ's, but the tail makes all the difference in the world when shooting. The "web" of my hand thanks me.
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I have the steel frame 75B Compact and prefer it over any of the P-01 variants. I simply have no use for a rail on a handgun. There's no difference in performance other than rail vs non-rail.
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Thank you to all who replied. After reading the info you sent I decided to get the P-01 steel frame. At this time I do not need the rail but if I change my mind it will be there. Being familiar with 1911's the comment about the beaver tail got me thinking about how nice that could be. Not sure when it will arrive but will post a picture when it happens.
Bob
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I have the steel frame 75B Compact and prefer it over any of the P-01 variants. I simply have no use for a rail on a handgun. There's no difference in performance other than rail vs non-rail.
Do you have any concerns about the beaver tail? I hope not, b/c I just bought one and it's in on the way.
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Just for the heck of it, I ran a weight comparison without grips:
99021 - 32.67 oz
Compact (an oldie from 1992) - 29.60 oz
1999 D Compact (steel frame) - 29.46 oz*
The 99021 feels a little front heavier with the rail.
*The 1999 decocker surplus was refurbished by CGW and had some of the beaver tail trimmed and CGW sights installed.
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I have the steel frame 75B Compact and prefer it over any of the P-01 variants. I simply have no use for a rail on a handgun. There's no difference in performance other than rail vs non-rail.
Do you have any concerns about the beaver tail? I hope not, b/c I just bought one and it's in on the way.
The standard CZ beavertail has never been an issue for me in any way. Other do not like it.
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I have P01 Omegas, CZ75 Compacts and I had a couple of the CZ75 Compacts (steel frame) that were stamped CZ75 Compact but look like P01s.
I don't notice the beavertail on the Compacts.
I do, really, like the way the P01 feels in my hand. I think it's the grooves in the grip frame front and rear that my hand/fingers feel.
It may come down to the "look" you like. There is just something about the clean traditional lines of the CZ75 Compact (CZ75B, CZ75 Omega) without the rail. I like the way my CZ75 Compact looks. But I have a couple P01 Omegas with lights on them. I don't really carry them. I used to carry one or the other at times but I put lights on them for house use and no longer carry them.
Looks. Feels. Performance. How you intend to use it.
They use the same magazines, the same ammo, many of the same aftermarket/upgrade parts.
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Love my Compact, been my daily carry since January. Have had this since new, bought in 03. Never an issue, but I did chamfer the bottom of the beavertail for a bit of a higher (gun lower in hand) hold. Cold blue and its hard to tell.
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Love my Compact, been my daily carry since January. Have had this since new, bought in 03. Never an issue, but I did chamfer the bottom of the beavertail for a bit of a higher (gun lower in hand) hold. Cold blue and its hard to tell.
Just breaking that edge makes a world of difference in the way it feels.
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I got the P-01 coz it's a unicorn ;)
Seriously though, nowadays mine stays on the night stand and I like having a light.
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I have the steel frame 75B Compact and prefer it over any of the P-01 variants. I simply have no use for a rail on a handgun. There's no difference in performance other than rail vs non-rail.
The biggest reason people want the steel frame is to upgrade the trigger. It’s harder to do that on the decockers.
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I have the steel frame 75B Compact and prefer it over any of the P-01 variants. I simply have no use for a rail on a handgun. There's no difference in performance other than rail vs non-rail.
The biggest reason people want the steel frame is to upgrade the trigger. It’s harder to do that on the decockers.
I can upgrade the decocker models JUST as easily as I can the safety models. Decockers are pretty simple once you do a couple.
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I have the steel frame 75B Compact and prefer it over any of the P-01 variants. I simply have no use for a rail on a handgun. There's no difference in performance other than rail vs non-rail.
The biggest reason people want the steel frame is to upgrade the trigger. It’s harder to do that on the decockers.
I can upgrade the decocker models JUST as easily as I can the safety models. Decockers are pretty simple once you do a couple.
Agree. They are only bad the first time...
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Can you "tune" a decocker trigger as well/smooth as a safety trigger? Seems like the general opinion indicates the safety trigger to be superior. Could also be the additional effort with the decocker that soured the mix. I prefer the decocker models personally.
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Can you "tune" a decocker trigger as well/smooth as a safety trigger? Seems like the general opinion indicates the safety trigger to be superior. Could also be the additional effort with the decocker that soured the mix. I prefer the decocker models personally.
You can tune either one equally well. My BD models are every bit as good as my B models.
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Love my Compact, been my daily carry since January. Have had this since new, bought in 03. Never an issue, but I did chamfer the bottom of the beavertail for a bit of a higher (gun lower in hand) hold. Cold blue and its hard to tell.
So I presume you did not modify the angle of the beavertail, just the edges. What did you use to chamfer it, a Dremmel tool, a file?
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I have the steel frame 75B Compact and prefer it over any of the P-01 variants. I simply have no use for a rail on a handgun. There's no difference in performance other than rail vs non-rail.
The biggest reason people want the steel frame is to upgrade the trigger. It’s harder to do that on the decockers.
Sorry for reviving an older thread, 2020 vs 2022, but it answers some of my questions. Hope y'all are still around. Considering a P-01 Steel. Model numbers are hard to find anymore. Seems like the alternative P-01 is alloy with an ? (Omega) trigger, as listed in the 2022 catalog. The ? trigger, like my P-07, is convertible to decocker or safety. My understanding is that the safety-only trigger could reach a higher state of tune - is that a myth? (lighter & smoother pull)
I like both types - with or w/out the rail. No rail is a little bit smoother to carry and draw, rail allows carrying a light or laser, or a combo, and adds just a tiny amount more weight on the front; this can change the balance ever so slightly, but I think it won't appreciably affect muzzle-rise.
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The trigger pull is a combination of the parts used and the care taken in cleaning up/polishing the contacting surfaces.
I know I don't go nearly as far/hard into things as some of the folks here do. I have no issues stoning polishing the flat surfaces. Some of the guys here polish the trigger/hammer pins, the insides of the hammer pin hole in the hammer and other places I let the lube take care of for me.
Probably why my best triggers are a crisp 3 lbs. on a couple B models while my Tactical Sport is 1.7 lbs. (the old TS pistols were also safety models but SAO).
I really don't notice the carry weight of a P01 Omega vs. a CZ75 Compact. Whatever is on the hip/in the holster is forgotten/not noticed after a few days of carrying it (not true for a pistol with an awkward carry, like a P09 or something with a full sized barrel/frame that sticks out/jams up when sitting in the car/truck but that's still not weight, it's awkwardness).
The two worst (rough, draggy, notchy, high trigger pull weight) pistols I ever bought were those two CZ75 Compacts (steel frame with the P01 style rails and ambidextrous safeties) I bought several years ago. Never fired one of them and converted the other to SAO. Not sure why both of those had ugly triggers.
Don't let the internet tell you what is bad about CZ pistols. Get one and try it out yourself. I own several brands of pistols but I carry the CZs and spend too much time/money on those other ones trying to get them to shoot like the CZ's I carry all the time.