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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZF KADET KLUB => Topic started by: Metal Wonder Nine Guy on July 09, 2020, 01:57:27 PM
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The CZ-75 Kadet kit seems like a good idea on paper, but usually the price seems to be around the $400 mark. Which seems a bit high for just a conversion kit 22LR. And this was before the virus and riot buying. Since Is it worth getting a kadet kit (or any 22LR conversion kit for that matter) to use as a trainer pistol with the same controls, grip and manual of arms?
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Not "just a conversion kit"
Could very well be THE most accurate .22lr Conversion Kit on the market today
And might just turn-out to be, the most accurate Handgun you'll ever own
Once you get your KADET set-up properly, on your Host Frame of choice, like a lot of KADET Owners, you'll want to leave it set-up as a permanent .22lr Pistol
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Not "just a conversion kit"
Could very well be THE most accurate .22lr Conversion Kit on the market today
And might just turn-out to be, the most accurate Handgun you'll ever own
Once you get your KADET set-up properly, on your Host Frame of choice, like a lot of KADET Owners, you'll want to leave it set-up as a permanent .22lr Pistol
That is really interesting. I might have to check one out soon. Funds permitting. Lol
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Got one recently but have yet to use it. Figure it is helpful to use as a training tool and ammo is cheaper too. YMMV.
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You will not find purposely built 22LR in this price range that would compare to Kadet in accuracy. My precision match guns that overshot Kadets (I have 3 Kadets and 8 other 22LR pistols) are at least twice more expensive and Kadet is my backup match gun. When I go practice with my CZ pistols, two Kadets (One with Irons and one with RDS) are always in the same range bag and i start practice with them to warm up. Later switch to Centerfire uppers to continue. I highly recommend to all my shooting friends who are buying CZs in 9mm or 40sw, to get Kadet kit right from the start. They do and very happy with this setup.
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I’ve got a kadet Kit for my P07.
Fortunately they go for a bit less than some other models. It’s great training aid, accurate. well made. and totally reliable.
I consider it to be worth more than I paid for it.
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Just got a Shadow 2 Kadet top end for my SP-01 manual safety frame. I had to shave some material off to fit it to the frame. I have not shot it yet. Tomorrow at the earliest.
I’m hoping it’ll be as good as others are experiencing. Maybe I don’t have to have that S&W Model 41 after all[emoji4]
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OP, i think it depends on how much .22 you plan on shooting. I picked up my Kadet kit a long while back out of curiosity. When i shoot it alone it is nice to avoid picking up my brass. The Kadets are know to require some tweaking in some cases to get things running reliably, especially with some types of ammo. Mine has proven to be plenty accurate when i am doing my part.
Let it be know that he orignal Kadet kit for the 75s are allot different from the newer 22LR slides for the Omega models and the Shadow 2. The orignal Kadet kit for the 75s has a fixed barrel and a steel slide. The newer options for the other models has a tilting barrel and an aluminum slide. While i am not clear on this, they may be different animals.
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Maybe I don’t have to have that S&W Model 41 after all[emoji4]
S&W Model 41 and variety of 1911s were the most known to Americans gun icons and accuracy benchmarks for a long time. Last few decades its not the case anymore and they have more of the sentimental value then a real competition to a modern firearms in my opinion. Especially sporting firearms.
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Let it be know that he original Kadet kit for the 75s are a lot different from the newer 22LR slides for the Omega models and the Shadow 2. The original Kadet kit for the 75s has a fixed barrel and a steel slide. The newer options for the other models has a tilting barrel and an aluminum slide. While i am not clear on this, they may be different animals.
Except for the Omega(s), that ONLY work on the KADET 2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY6wwAhvirY&list=PLuVUSZlI39Ro7DR8TGzxuAg97WlBAVklE
There are the CZ75 KADET(s)
The Slides on the CZ75 KADET (ONE) and CZ75 KADET 2 are of a two piece, steel design:
First there's Main Slide Body, with the Sights and Barrel fixed to it and becomes "pinned" to the Lower when mounted
And the moving Slide or "Bolt" that cycles much like the Browning Buckmark, Colt Woodsman, Ruger Mark Series and the S&W 41
Also, their Magazines have a two piece steel Tube Body with a Plastic Base
The other, newer style KADETs, all have a one piece, Alloy Slide and separate Barrel
These Conversions cycle and function just like any standard Semi-Auto Upper
They consist of the P-07, the P-09, Shadow 2 and the SP-01 KADETs
All of these Kits are Model specific, and use a Model specific, Polymer Magazine
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Was the Kadet kit solely designed for the CZ-75B/BD? Is that why there were fitting issues?
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Kadet and Kadet 2 works on SP01 also. Meaning SP01, Sp01 Shadow and SP01 Tactical. Also 75 SA. Kadet doesn't work on Omega series, Kadet 2 does.
Fitting isn't really an issue, not very complicated.
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Was the Kadet kit solely designed for the CZ-75B/BD? Is that why there were fitting issues?
Original Kadet and Kadet 2 - yes. Later models expand to more frames.
Fitting is not the issue, but rather design feature to adapt it to variation of CZ75 frames. There is a little extra metal in a key areas (to remove) to get a tight fit to your specific frame. Nothing more then a few strokes with a file or stone.
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Was the Kadet kit solely designed for the CZ-75B/BD? Is that why there were fitting issues?
Original Kadet and Kadet 2 - yes. Later models expand to more frames.
Fitting is not the issue, but rather design feature to adapt it to variation of CZ75 frames. There is a little extra metal in a key areas (to remove) to get a tight fit to your specific frame. Nothing more then a few strokes with a file or stone.
I was one of those who worried about fitting the Kadet 2 kit to my SP-01 (manual safety). Now CZ sells the new model specific Kadet kits: Shadow 2, SP-01, P-09 and P-07, in addition to the latest Kadet II. I think CZ sells a P-07 Kadet, not a kit but a whole firearm but only in Europe.
Of course, stupid me, I go and buy a Shadow 2 kit instead of an SP-01 kit. I had to take off quite a bit of material to fit it to my frame.
But it was all worth the effort. First time at the range using Federal AM22 and the standard recoil spring, I was grinning from ear to ear. :) :) :)
All good, Ed
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But it was all worth the effort. First time at the range using Federal AM22 and the standard recoil spring, I was grinning from ear to ear. :) :) :)
All good, Ed
Do you have to change out your recoil springs with the Kadet 22 kits?
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But it was all worth the effort. First time at the range using Federal AM22 and the standard recoil spring, I was grinning from ear to ear. :) :) :)
All good, Ed
Do you have to change out your recoil springs with the Kadet 22 kits?
They come with their own recoil springs as part of the kits.
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Was the Kadet kit solely designed for the CZ-75B/BD? Is that why there were fitting issues?
Original Kadet and Kadet 2 - yes. Later models expand to more frames.
Fitting is not the issue, but rather design feature to adapt it to variation of CZ75 frames. There is a little extra metal in a key areas (to remove) to get a tight fit to your specific frame. Nothing more then a few strokes with a file or stone.
I was one of those who worried about fitting the Kadet 2 kit to my SP-01 (manual safety). Now CZ sells the new model specific Kadet kits: Shadow 2, SP-01, P-09 and P-07, in addition to the latest Kadet II. I think CZ sells a P-07 Kadet, not a kit but a whole firearm but only in Europe.
Of course, stupid me, I go and buy a Shadow 2 kit instead of an SP-01 kit. I had to take off quite a bit of material to fit it to my frame.
But it was all worth the effort. First time at the range using Federal AM22 and the standard recoil spring, I was grinning from ear to ear. :) :) :)
All good, Ed
What did you have to shave off ?
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@Metal Wonder Nine,
The Shadow 2/SP-01 Kadet kits come with 3 recoil springs: painted blue for lower velocity ammo, unpainted or all silver for Std Vel, and painted red for HV ammo.
When I mentioned “standard” I meant to say the silver/unpainted one.
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@RBRK,
I took some metal from the lower front portion of the slide, the part that moves and it’s hidden by the dust cover when installed.
Because I bought the Shadow 2 kit, not the SP-01 kit, I suspect that the Shadow 2 frame is wider than the SP-01 frame at the front of the dust cover. Someone who owns both models can chime in.
Ed
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Are folks using a dedicated lower frame for their kadet? Or swapping back and forth?
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Are folks using a dedicated lower frame for their kadet? Or swapping back and forth?
my Kadet was already attached to a (non-matching S/N 75B) frame when I bought it used, so the Kadet lives on a dedicated frame
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I bought my KADET ( 1 ) with my B-SA, so it spends time on both, my B-SA Frame, and my Brushed Stainless
(https://i.imgur.com/IgmpMxT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uPo6UDp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DRxCyLV.jpg)
The rest of its time is spent lounging around in the lower half of the CZ Case !
(https://i.imgur.com/Ac1mEuT.jpg)
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Awesome accurate 22 to add to your 75 frame or sp01, lotsa fun to shoot!
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If I can’t wait for the Ruger MKIV Lite for my 13 year old daughter, I might end up buying the Kadet conversion for my shadow 2.
Was just reading on it and it’s made of steel. CZ Custom sells them for $431 but out of stock while Grab a Gun is selling them for $369.
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If I can’t wait for the Ruger MKIV Lite for my 13 year old daughter, I might end up buying the Kadet conversion for my shadow 2.
Was just reading on it and it’s made of steel. CZ Custom sells them for $431 but out of stock while Grab a Gun is selling them for $369.
Not sure, but I believe, the Shadow 2 KADET Kit, is Aluminum and Plastic, with Poly Mags
But the KADET 2 Kit, it IS all steel
And given ITS design, it is quite accurate too
Can't speak to the accuracy of the Shadow 2 KADET Kit
Hope you find what you're looking for
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According to this, it’s made of steel.
From CZ USA :
The CZ 75 Kadet conversion kit is a separate accessory for the CZ 75/85 pistol series allowing the firing of .22 LR caliber cartridges. The CZ 75 fitted with the Kadet .22LR conversion is the perfect training or plinking pistol with the slide weighted and balanced just like the CZ 75. The Kadet adapter features all-steel construction and an adjustable rear sight. Included are 2 10-round magazines that fit flush with grips of the full size CZ 75 and SP-01 models.
The Kadet conversion kit will work on the CZ 75 full-size and compact models including the 75, 85, SP-01, 75 Compact, P-01, P-06, and PCR, but note that the full-size magazines will extend out of the bottom of the shorter grips on these models. The Kadet conversion will not work on the 97, 75 TS, 2075 RAMI, SP-01 Phantom, P-07 or P-09 models. Pre-B model 75s may or may not function with the Kadet due to differing magwell dimensions.
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I would buy one for any reg CZ 75....Buying a Kadet Kit for my P-07 was a very good choice. Training my grand kids and extra range time with the P-07 while shooting .22 ammo....can not beat it. (https://i.imgur.com/ppCX0qmm.jpg)
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There are days when I enjoy shooting the Kadet more than the 9mm. Especially on steel targets.
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I use the SP-01 Kadet kit on my P-01 Omega and love it. It fits great and is more accurate than I am. The mags stick out a little but I found the X-grips for Beretta 92C fit very well and close the gap. Makes the P-01 look full size. I like the polymer mags because of the loading tabs and the cheaper price.
(https://i.imgur.com/jtkltOV.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/eklDjRp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1EFok4J.jpg)
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According to this, it’s made of steel.
From CZ USA :
The CZ 75 Kadet conversion kit is a separate accessory for the CZ 75/85 pistol series allowing the firing of .22 LR caliber cartridges. The CZ 75 fitted with the Kadet .22LR conversion is the perfect training or plinking pistol with the slide weighted and balanced just like the CZ 75. The Kadet adapter features all-steel construction and an adjustable rear sight. Included are 2 10-round magazines that fit flush with grips of the full size CZ 75 and SP-01 models.
The Kadet conversion kit will work on the CZ 75 full-size and compact models including the 75, 85, SP-01, 75 Compact, P-01, P-06, and PCR, but note that the full-size magazines will extend out of the bottom of the shorter grips on these models. The Kadet conversion will not work on the 97, 75 TS, 2075 RAMI, SP-01 Phantom, P-07 or P-09 models. Pre-B model 75s may or may not function with the Kadet due to differing magwell dimensions.
G16:
I thought you were referring to the "Shadow 2" KADET Kit, NOT the (CZ75) KADET 2 Kit in you Post
If I can’t wait for the Ruger MKIV Lite for my 13 year old daughter, I might end up buying the Kadet conversion for my shadow 2.
Was just reading on it and it’s made of steel. CZ Custom sells them for $431 but out of stock while Grab a Gun is selling them for $369.
As I said above, YES; a CZ75 KADET 2 Kit IS all Steel
Whereas; the Shadow 2 KADET Kit IS NOT
There is a huge difference between them
.... The mags stick out a little but I found the X-grips for Beretta 92C fit very well and close the gap ....
(https://i.imgur.com/eklDjRp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1EFok4J.jpg)
Very cool Crosstrain
Wonder if they'd work for other KADET Mags to Compact Frame applications ?
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@DenStinett, you’re right about the shadow 2 Kadet kit being made of aluminum. I got confused on that one.
I just saw the shadow 2 Kadet conversion for $429 and I’m not sure if that’s a great price compared to what I can get by waiting for the Ruger MKIV Lite.
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Not saying anything against a Ruger MkIV
But the true beauty of a "Conversion Kit" over a seperate, whole Pistol (i.e. a MkIV), is the added Trigger Time you get on your Host Lower
Same Trigger Pull, Reset, etc
Not having ANY experience with the "Shadow 2 KADET", I can't speak to ITs accuracy
BUT, knowing the CZ75 KADET; its design lends itself to make IT, a VERY accurate Pistol
There are several Members here that have ditched their other .22s, and now compete with their KADETs
Go back and watch some of JoeL's Videos with His KADET
Very impressive !
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I have kadet kits for my p-07 and 09. Worth every penny if you like to go to the range and get trigger time with your CZ collection. Your draw stroke, aiming and pull remain the same. When you switch over the first few rounds of 9mm quickly reminds you of what you need to do with recoil management, and the muscle memory you developed with the mentioned mechanicals is still there.
I have the cmmg AR conversion as well, without those I would have to limit my range time. Your other alternative is dry firing or laser insert firing. I do the laser insert when seated in my easy chair between commercial breaks towards a 4"x 4" Bose speaker cube. And since I squireled away 10k of .22lr since the last big panic ammo buy out, I have a lot of range time ammo.
Anyone know if they make a kadet kit for the p-10c yet? I have been looking around for one and have seen no evidence that it is in production.
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Anyone know if they make a kadet kit for the p-10c yet? I have been looking around for one and have seen no evidence that it is in production.
According to CZUB, not yet
Just these Kits for now:
CZ75, Shadow 2, SP-01, P-07 and P-09
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Are there any plans for a P-01 (i.e. shorter) Kadet 2 model? Anyone know? Would be interested in order to maintain holster compatibility.
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Are there any plans for a P-01 (i.e. shorter) Kadet 2 model? Anyone know? Would be interested in order to maintain holster compatibility.
Interesting concept ....
A KADET Kompact !
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The Kadet is a fine option if it works--my P-07 kit shoots several inches high with every load I've tried. Also, make sure that you use the correct slide stop when switching back to your centerfire upper. I mixed them up and the gun kept locking open under recoil--not a good thing to happen in a match.
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Thanks for the tip about the X-grip. That gap would've annoyed the heck out of me.
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Thanks for the tip about the X-grip. That gap would've annoyed the heck out of me.
I have an X-grip on one of my metal magazines (not the plastic one shown above). It looks cool, but...
I noticed that the magazine with the x-grip does not lock in very well. This happens when the x-grip rides up on the magazine by a small fraction of an inch as the magazine goes in, and keeps it from locking in. It takes a sharp rap to overcome that. (I guess that's why some have those pesky set screws)
Aside from that, it works fine and provides a nice rest for my pinkie and some breathing room for the rest of my fat fingers.
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.... my P-07 kit shoots several inches high with every load I've tried ....
Not sure, but a taller Front Sight Blade will help with that issue