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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: Macgruber81 on November 23, 2020, 03:22:59 PM
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I’ve noticed on some of the CZ compact models, the polymer guide rod seems to stick out at different angles when the slide is locked back. Why aren’t they always straight and is this an issue/normal?
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Polymer rods are not an issue. Some people don’t like them and replace.
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I’ve noticed on some of the CZ compact models, the polymer guide rod seems to stick out at different angles when the slide is locked back. Why aren’t they always straight and is this an issue/normal?
Yes, this is normal.
And yes, I'm one of these who don't like them.... ;D
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It is only an issue if you allow your brain to make it an issue. It is arguable, that the polymer guide rods act as a buffer, while a material with less or no give like steel dose not.
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I was figuring it had to be as my CZ’s have run flawlessly, but wanted to make sure. Thanks all. Was gonna get a stainless one, but heard they can mark up the insides and damage the finish.
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I was figuring it had to be as my CZ’s have run flawlessly, but wanted to make sure. Thanks all. Was gonna get a stainless one, but heard they can mark up the insides and damage the finish.
I've had stainless steel guide rods in all my CZ's for years and THOUSANDS of rounds and they have not caused ANY damage of ANY kind.
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That’s comforting to hear
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It is only an issue if you allow your brain to make it an issue. It is arguable, that the polymer guide rods act as a buffer, while a material with less or no give like steel dose not.
The only advantage for a steel rod is adding some weight to the front end. I don't need it.
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It is only an issue if you allow your brain to make it an issue. It is arguable, that the polymer guide rods act as a buffer, while a material with less or no give like steel dose not.
The only advantage for a steel rod is adding some weight to the front end. I don't need it.
No not the only advantage. It removes the cheap plastic part engineered by some tightwad bean counter. Like the poorly engineered failure prone hollow guide rods Sig uses.
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If polymer was a newly invented material, people would be calling the CZ poly guide rod, Super Scientific Space Magic.
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If polymer was a newly invented material, people would be calling the CZ poly guide rod, Super Scientific Space Magic.
. Bravo!
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If polymer was a newly invented material, people would be calling the CZ poly guide rod, Super Scientific Space Magic.
. Bravo!
But polymer isn't a newly invented material it is a fancy word invented in the last 30 years or so to make plastic sound like something more special than what it really is that being Cheap. Just like the word patina is used as a descriptor for something like a beat up old car or a rusted gun with the intention of making it sound like something other than the abhorrent junk that it is.
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I hear you, the point is, that simply being manufactured out of plastic/polymer dose not make it a bad part. If it did not serve its purpose in some way that was related to the material it is made of, then i could see peoples gripe.
I can see why some CZ owners prefer a metal guide rod, but this dose not mean that the factory poly guide rod is inherently bad. The poly guide rods have proven to me that they do the job that they are intended to do. To me this means that people generally replace them due to their personal preference and not because it was necessary to ensure the proper function of their CZ.
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There is NO reason to switch because they are somehow not as good in function as a steel rod. Read the Enos forum. Guys who shoot tens of thousands of rounds find that they last and work fine.
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I can think of one CZ that might require a metal guide rod to maintain function. The full auto CZ 75. If you ran a poly guide rod in a CZ 75 Auto and ran enough consecutive rounds through it, the poly guide rod might melt.
I have seen a few examples of full auto Glocks melting their factory poly guide rods.
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There is NO reason to switch because they are somehow not as good in function as a steel rod. Read the Enos forum. Guys who shoot tens of thousands of rounds find that they last and work fine.
I don't need to read any OPINIONS on the enos forum. I know that many people have fired tens of thousands of rounds on plastic guide rods and I never said they didn't last in the first place. I simply prefer a solid steel guide rod when ever they are available for replacement in my guns that come with plastic. By YOUR logic then there's no reason to change ANYTHING if it is working. We change things on our guns, cars, in our homes and every other aspect of our lives to fit our personal taste and preferences and that is not an opinion that is a fact.
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Yes preference is fine for a reason. Happy Thanksgiving. CZs are fun!
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I actually found that when I switched out my polymer guide rod on my PCR for a SS one, I began experiencing failures to feed. I switched back to polymer, and things are better, although the gun still sometimes doesn't feed properly. I'm thinking of polishing the feed ramp and breach on the barrel next to see if that helps. Does anyone have any feedback about that?
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I actually found that when I switched out my polymer guide rod on my PCR for a SS one, I began experiencing failures to feed. I switched back to polymer, and things are better, although the gun still sometimes doesn't feed properly. I'm thinking of polishing the feed ramp and breach on the barrel next to see if that helps. Does anyone have any feedback about that?
Could be ammo, technique, lots of things, more info is needed. Sometimes CZ's are over sprung for NATO ammo and weak 115gr is not strong enough to cycle properly. Lots of aftermarket steel guide rods wont even work with the flat stock CZ spring.
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Lots of aftermarket steel guide rods wont even work with the flat stock CZ spring.
Care to elaborate on which ones won't work? I've not had an issue finding a metal guide rod for any of the very many CZ's I have or have had. Guide rods are gun specific not generic and flat wire recoil springs are increasingly becoming the norm for good reason.
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Just the info I got while searching for one. Cajun specifically says it won't work and CZ custom does not recommend it. From Cajun gun works: https://cajungunworks.com/product/75060-304ss-precision-recoil-spring-guide-rod-fits-full-size-cz/
from CZ custom https://czcustom.com/cz-75-sp01-sa-tactical-sports-ts-stainless-steel-guide-rod.html
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Just the info I got while searching for one. Cajun specifically says it won't work and CZ custom does not recommend it. From Cajun gun works: https://cajungunworks.com/product/75060-304ss-precision-recoil-spring-guide-rod-fits-full-size-cz/
from CZ custom https://czcustom.com/cz-75-sp01-sa-tactical-sports-ts-stainless-steel-guide-rod.html
That info is in regard to the SP-01 not the standard 75 series compacts. CZ Custom and CGW both sell guide rods that function perfectly with the flat wire recoil spring. I bought the one in My PCR from Guiderod.com 11 years ago but the founder of that business is dead now I think.
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In my gen 2 P-07's I have run:
Factory captured recoil spring on polymer guide rod x 2
Factory de-captured blue recoil spring out of a DUTY model, on a CGW SS guide rod, in a DUTY slide
Captured SS guide rods from SSGuiderods.com x 2
CGW SS guiderods with CGW 18 lb springs x 2
CGW SS guiderods with CGW 15 lb springs x 2
Rhino titanium alloy guide rods with CGW 18 lb springs x 2
Never had any malfunctions out of any of those combinations. In the end, for a carry pistol that I live fire practice with fairly often, what I want is a guide rod and recoil spring combo that:
1. works (all of them, in my guns, with my ammo)
2. is as durable as possible (probably the titanium ones, followed by the steel)
3. is as light as possible (polymer, followed by titanium)
4. makes the spring easy to clean (any guide rod that runs an uncaptured spring)
5. can withstand harsh chemicals like acetone and brake cleaner (titanium and steel)
So in the end I sold off my factory and SSGuiderods.com captured springs, and use CGW steel and Rhino titanium guide rods, with uncaptured 18 lb CGW springs. Normally I carry the titanium guide rods. If I was trying to mitigate recoil, I might put in a steel one. I thought about ordering a polymer one from the CZ-USA store for 5 bucks, which is the lightest option for an uncaptured spring, but then I wouldn't be able to throw it in a pan with steel parts and hose it down with brake cleaner. I already accommodate my polymer frames with adhesive Talon grips in my cleaning routine, and wouldn't like to add a part to the slide assembly that can't take the same chemicals I use on the remainder of the slide. There's also no way it can be as physically durable as the steel or titanium ones. Polymer is probably better for captured springs you are going to throw away after 5K rounds or so, not guide rods you are going to run with uncaptured springs for tens of thousands of rounds.
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Just the info I got while searching for one. Cajun specifically says it won't work and CZ custom does not recommend it. From Cajun gun works: https://cajungunworks.com/product/75060-304ss-precision-recoil-spring-guide-rod-fits-full-size-cz/
from CZ custom https://czcustom.com/cz-75-sp01-sa-tactical-sports-ts-stainless-steel-guide-rod.html
That info is in regard to the SP-01 not the standard 75 series compacts. CZ Custom and CGW both sell guide rods that function perfectly with the flat wire recoil spring. I bought the one in My PCR from Guiderod.com 11 years ago but the founder of that business is dead now I think.
Good to know, were not to many options for the SP01, I wanted a lighter spring anyways. Thanks.
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I’ve noticed mine was a little warped from the factory and was worried. Good to know it’s not a real issue