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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Curio and Relic CZs => Topic started by: elhefe86 on December 24, 2020, 12:22:03 AM
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Looking at local CZ52 with little bit of ammo. What is value of one in decent shape?
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Update, gun and 3k rounds with it. Value on that?
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Anyone? Was going to get back to the seller today. CZ52 is decent condition with holster, 2 mags, and 3k rounds. Looking for approximate value.
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I don't normally respond to this type of post (original poster hasn't done any homework), but it IS almost Christmas.
Currently there is ONE (1) CZ 52 (made in 54) on Gunbroker.com auction, no reserve, and they are asking a starting bid of $490...BUT they also are including a holster which probably adds $90-$100 to the worth.
I paid about $400 for mine some years back, but it had the original mags and the original "parkerized" finish--making it a true C&R value.
Many CZ 52's that I've seen at gun shows have been refinished in such ways as I believe decrease the value. Of course those sellers ask exorbitant prices for the gun.
On any used gun, I typically want to check out the bore and if possible the mags and firing pin. That is difficult to do with over-the-web auctions.
If you are getting to handle the gun, ask them to show you field stripping and reassembly. It would also be good if they'd let you shoot it to prove that it still works. There are a lot of used guns out there that need work, and some that are only good for spare parts.
The CZ 52 is wonderful to shoot and was a ground-breaking design when it first came out--with the dual roller recoil system and both a safety AND decocker.
Good Luck!
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I don't normally respond to this type of post (original poster hasn't done any homework), but it IS almost Christmas.
Currently there is ONE (1) CZ 52 (made in 54) on Gunbroker.com auction, no reserve, and they are asking a starting bid of $490...BUT they also are including a holster which probably adds $90-$100 to the worth.
I paid about $400 for mine some years back, but it had the original mags and the original "parkerized" finish--making it a true C&R value.
Many CZ 52's that I've seen at gun shows have been refinished in such ways as I believe decrease the value. Of course those sellers ask exorbitant prices for the gun.
On any used gun, I typically want to check out the bore and if possible the mags and firing pin. That is difficult to do with over-the-web auctions.
If you are getting to handle the gun, ask them to show you field stripping and reassembly. It would also be good if they'd let you shoot it to prove that it still works. There are a lot of used guns out there that need work, and some that are only good for spare parts.
The CZ 52 is wonderful to shoot and was a ground-breaking design when it first came out--with the dual roller recoil system and both a safety AND decocker.
Good Luck!
I'm so new to the CZ game I wanted to ask. I did check GB, but looks like to me gun is about $350-400ish. It does come with a holster. I figured the ammo alone would make this a no brainer to buy....
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My only comment is to do your research on Cz 52’s as some have been rebuilt a couple of times.. doesn’t make them all bad... it’s all what you want... as the other poster stated... best if you see it in person....the ammo .. be careful if it’s old surplus Cold War ammo... might not be that is not safe to use..... a original cz 52 without import marks are hard to fine.. the net is full of info on these neat post war hand guns.
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My only comment is to do your research on Cz 52’s as some have been rebuilt a couple of times.. doesn’t make them all bad... it’s all what you want... as the other poster stated... best if you see it in person....the ammo .. be careful if it’s old surplus Cold War ammo... might not be that is not safe to use..... a original cz 52 without import marks are hard to fine.. the net is full of info on these neat post war hand guns.
How do I know if it's old surplus cold war ammo? Any tips to look for? See one marking on the side and 53 next to it.
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Oh, the ammo!
While doing research for my CZ 52, there were cautionary warnings about using old ammo from that period.
One particular one was that the Russian powder/primer ends up being acidic and that cleaning instructions back then included washing the barrel with water to remove the residual acid.
Then of course, stay away from steel-cased ammo as this had been implicated in premature failures of ejectors.
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If you are really serious about this Cz 52 ... a book to buy is Cold War Pistols of Czechoslovakia by James Brown.. Amazon has them. This is probably the best.. my opinion.. in describing every aspect , variations in over 25 pages.. small print about the cz52 .. best to be educated before buying.. to me the history and the different variations is all part of the chase.
Merry Christmas 🎄
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I just notice a nice cz52 on GB .. markings shows it hasn’t been rebuilt. If it was there would be a vor / voz .. then date stamped above the trigger guard and I didn’t see any import marks . Good price at $350.. NOS holsters are available lots of place and a good gun store carries Sellier and Beloit ammo for this pistol.
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Back when they wall fell and these pistols started showing up in the US they sold very cheap like well under $200 cheap and I had a couple. Surplus ammo was readily available at that time as well but much of it was corrosive so you had to follow the cleaning regimen for that type of ammo which is the same as any black powder gun which means lots of hot soapy water and scrubbing. Much of it was very old as well and I ran into a batch years back that often took a double strike on the primer to fire, it was the ammo and not the guns so some of the ammo was unreliable.
Today the surplus ammo coming in from over seas has dried up and any you find has been here for awhile. There is some commercial new manufacture to be found from Winchester and Sellier and Beloit but it is pricey and given current conditions I'm sure it's off the chart expensive. So now all that said when the cheap ammo disappeared I sold the guns off and never looked back. These guns are never going to be High dollar collector pieces and ammo could be hard to find if at all and even a deal with ammo included there's no guarantee the ammo is good if it's surplus. I'd ask the seller about the ammo specifically and they should know what it is. Buyer beware.
Personally I would not even consider one of these pistols today at any price but to each his own.
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Oh, the ammo!
While doing research for my CZ 52, there were cautionary warnings about using old ammo from that period.
One particular one was that the Russian powder/primer ends up being acidic and that cleaning instructions back then included washing the barrel with water to remove the residual acid.
Then of course, stay away from steel-cased ammo as this had been implicated in premature failures of ejectors.
I am told it's all brass. And submachine ammo.
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The 53 stamped ammo is military surplus, and loaded pretty hot. It is corrosive, so you will have to clean the pistol after every range trip. The brass is also somewhat brittle, and you will experience cracked necks in the cases. I have seen 1 or 2 cracked necks in each 8-round magazine. Don't count on reloading them, they are Berdan primed, so difficult to reload even if the brass wasn't brittle. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot the stuff, but I wouldn't buy it, either.
I think I paid $175 for my CZ52, about 8 years ago, and it appeared unfired. I don't know what they sell for now, but double $175 wouldn't surprise me.
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Ended up buying the CZ52. Paid $1k for the gun, holster, 2 mags, and 2,970 rounds of ammo. Also got 224 rounds of 44mag ammo. Half was hollow point shock point. CZ has not been refurbished as it only had the original 53 marking on the side.
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Ouch! Well hope you enjoy your new purchase.
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.First thing I would do is to have a reputable gunsmith make sure the gun is able to handle your vintage ammo. With the unique cam and roller breech locking system the ‘moving parts’ have to be up to spec. and if not the gun will easily jam or worst. That’s why It was only produced for two years and had limited use in the field.
Very unique gun, fun to shoot, but rarely goes to the range with me. I have two of them: a 9mm and a 7.62x.25.
Be safe!!
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Ouch! Well hope you enjoy your new purchase.
Curious why you say ouch? Pistol value lets say $300 (pristine condition (not refurbished) with a pig skin holster for gun and mag), 44 mag ammo $150 easy right now for 220 rounds of mostly hydra shok, and 7.62x25 ammo at $.30/rd is above $800. Got 5k winchester large pistol primers for an extra $100 as well.
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Ouch! Well hope you enjoy your new purchase.
Curious why you say ouch? Pistol value lets say $300 (pristine condition (not refurbished) with a pig skin holster for gun and mag), 44 mag ammo $150 easy right now for 220 rounds of mostly hydra shok, and 7.62x25 ammo at $.30/rd is above $800. Got 5k winchester large pistol primers for an extra $100 as well.
You stated the ammo was sub gun ammo so that stuff is antiquated surplus so it's not worth .30 a round. We bought that surplus stuff years ago for $69 for 1280 round tins and it was lousy ammo back then. The guns were fun when they were cheap to buy and cheap too shoot but that time has passed. If you plan on shooting that gun much you'll need to try and find an armorers kit for it and you will need it. The .44 ammo and primers sound like a decent deal but the rest. I'm not seeing it.
So at any rate as I said I hope you enjoy your purchase and if you are satisfied that you got a good deal then that's all that matters.
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Ouch! Well hope you enjoy your new purchase.
Curious why you say ouch? Pistol value lets say $300 (pristine condition (not refurbished) with a pig skin holster for gun and mag), 44 mag ammo $150 easy right now for 220 rounds of mostly hydra shok, and 7.62x25 ammo at $.30/rd is above $800. Got 5k winchester large pistol primers for an extra $100 as well.
I winced at first when I saw the $1K amount, but then started doing some ciphering. I agree with SI VIS that 7.62x25 used to be very cheap, but those days are gone even without the COVID-induced seller's market. Even at $.20/rd x 2970 = @600. You are probably low on the 44 Mag for Hydra Shoks, even in a normal market. I'd guess over $200. So you are at at least $800 for the ammo. I don't think you could buy a CZ52 straight up for $200 anywhere in the U.S. I'd say you did fine. Also, all of the reading I have done says the C52 is a very robust and strong action, more so than other 7.62x25 pistols designed and built elsewhere. Shoot it and enjoy it.
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Ouch! Well hope you enjoy your new purchase.
Curious why you say ouch? Pistol value lets say $300 (pristine condition (not refurbished) with a pig skin holster for gun and mag), 44 mag ammo $150 easy right now for 220 rounds of mostly hydra shok, and 7.62x25 ammo at $.30/rd is above $800. Got 5k winchester large pistol primers for an extra $100 as well.
I winced at first when I saw the $1K amount, but then started doing some ciphering. I agree with SI VIS that 7.62x25 used to be very cheap, but those days are gone even without the COVID-induced seller's market. Even at $.20/rd x 2970 = @600. You are probably low on the 44 Mag for Hydra Shoks, even in a normal market. I'd guess over $200. So you are at at least $800 for the ammo. I don't think you could buy a CZ52 straight up for $200 anywhere in the U.S. I'd say you did fine. Also, all of the reading I have done says the C52 is a very robust and strong action, more so than other 7.62x25 pistols designed and built elsewhere. Shoot it and enjoy it.
The biggest issue is the ammo. As I posted earlier in the thread the ammo was sketchy 20-30 yrs ago and it hasn't gotten any younger. The supply of over seas surplus dried up years ago so the really cheap to buy stuff is gone other than what someone may have on hand already here. The commercially made stuff is expensive and hard to come by and with the current situation you can be certain the manufacturers are not giving any consideration to old rounds like the 7.62X25.
Yes the guns are robust with their roller locking breach system but 2 key things to keep in mind. The firing pins are cast and are notoriously brittle so dry firing is a big no no. The pin will break if this is ignored. The other point of interest is that the decocking function SHOULD NOT BE USED as it has been noted on many guns that doing so causes some indentations on chambered live rounds so the potential is there for an unintentional discharge. There used to be a few places making some upgrade parts for the CZ52's but that's been a few years ago and I'm not sure they are still around. Do some research on the gun and procure some spare parts if possible.
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Ouch! Well hope you enjoy your new purchase.
Curious why you say ouch? Pistol value lets say $300 (pristine condition (not refurbished) with a pig skin holster for gun and mag), 44 mag ammo $150 easy right now for 220 rounds of mostly hydra shok, and 7.62x25 ammo at $.30/rd is above $800. Got 5k winchester large pistol primers for an extra $100 as well.
I winced at first when I saw the $1K amount, but then started doing some ciphering. I agree with SI VIS that 7.62x25 used to be very cheap, but those days are gone even without the COVID-induced seller's market. Even at $.20/rd x 2970 = @600. You are probably low on the 44 Mag for Hydra Shoks, even in a normal market. I'd guess over $200. So you are at at least $800 for the ammo. I don't think you could buy a CZ52 straight up for $200 anywhere in the U.S. I'd say you did fine. Also, all of the reading I have done says the C52 is a very robust and strong action, more so than other 7.62x25 pistols designed and built elsewhere. Shoot it and enjoy it.
The biggest issue is the ammo. As I posted earlier in the thread the ammo was sketchy 20-30 yrs ago and it hasn't gotten any younger. The supply of over seas surplus dried up years ago so the really cheap to buy stuff is gone other than what someone may have on hand already here. The commercially made stuff is expensive and hard to come by and with the current situation you can be certain the manufacturers are not giving any consideration to old rounds like the 7.62X25.
Yes the guns are robust with their roller locking breach system but 2 key things to keep in mind. The firing pins are cast and are notoriously brittle so dry firing is a big no no. The pin will break if this is ignored. The other point of interest is that the decocking function SHOULD NOT BE USED as it has been noted on many guns that doing so causes some indentations on chambered live rounds so the potential is there for an unintentional discharge. There used to be a few places making some upgrade parts for the CZ52's but that's been a few years ago and I'm not sure they are still around. Do some research on the gun and procure some spare parts if possible.
Good advice, SI VIS.
I reload for my CZ52 with Hodgdon H110 and either Hornady 90 grain XTP's or some locally made 95 grain polycoated RN, but I should still pick up some spare parts like rollers and firing pin, just in case, because it is a fun gun to shoot and I'd hate to lose it.
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I replaced my OEM firing pin and rollers with Harrington parts. If you feel comfortable, I would call the original owner and ask him if he ever replaced these.
https://harringtonproducts.com
Enjoy your purchase..."they don't make them anymore".
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I replaced my OEM firing pin and rollers with Harrington parts. If you feel comfortable, I would call the original owner and ask him if he ever replaced these.
https://harringtonproducts.com
Enjoy your purchase..."they don't make them anymore".
Thank you! Ordered new firing pin, rollers, extractor.
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Ouch! Well hope you enjoy your new purchase.
Curious why you say ouch? Pistol value lets say $300 (pristine condition (not refurbished) with a pig skin holster for gun and mag), 44 mag ammo $150 easy right now for 220 rounds of mostly hydra shok, and 7.62x25 ammo at $.30/rd is above $800. Got 5k winchester large pistol primers for an extra $100 as well.
You stated the ammo was sub gun ammo so that stuff is antiquated surplus so it's not worth .30 a round. We bought that surplus stuff years ago for $69 for 1280 round tins and it was lousy ammo back then. The guns were fun when they were cheap to buy and cheap too shoot but that time has passed. If you plan on shooting that gun much you'll need to try and find an armorers kit for it and you will need it. The .44 ammo and primers sound like a decent deal but the rest. I'm not seeing it.
So at any rate as I said I hope you enjoy your purchase and if you are satisfied that you got a good deal then that's all that matters.
FYI, listed a little ammo on GB as I do not need 3k rounds. Currently at $.50/rd, so I think I faired well. If that pans out i'd be at $1,500 alone on the ammo.. Just saying, but COVID prices are real and I did research before the purchase on this.
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Ouch! Well hope you enjoy your new purchase.
Curious why you say ouch? Pistol value lets say $300 (pristine condition (not refurbished) with a pig skin holster for gun and mag), 44 mag ammo $150 easy right now for 220 rounds of mostly hydra shok, and 7.62x25 ammo at $.30/rd is above $800. Got 5k winchester large pistol primers for an extra $100 as well.
You stated the ammo was sub gun ammo so that stuff is antiquated surplus so it's not worth .30 a round. We bought that surplus stuff years ago for $69 for 1280 round tins and it was lousy ammo back then. The guns were fun when they were cheap to buy and cheap too shoot but that time has passed. If you plan on shooting that gun much you'll need to try and find an armorers kit for it and you will need it. The .44 ammo and primers sound like a decent deal but the rest. I'm not seeing it.
So at any rate as I said I hope you enjoy your purchase and if you are satisfied that you got a good deal then that's all that matters.
FYI, listed a little ammo on GB as I do not need 3k rounds. Currently at $.50/rd, so I think I faired well. If that pans out i'd be at $1,500 alone on the ammo.. Just saying, but COVID prices are real and I did research before the purchase on this.
Controlavirus prices ARE real for those who failed to stock up on ammo when everything was cheap. Fortunately I don't have to weather this storm by paying those prices. I fail to understand WHY you would want that gun yet sell off the ammo??? If you plan on shooting it the smart thing to do would be keep the ammo. That stuff just isn't available everywhere today and at some point you may well have to pay much more to replace it than you're selling it for.
I would consider 3K rounds not enough.
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Ouch! Well hope you enjoy your new purchase.
Curious why you say ouch? Pistol value lets say $300 (pristine condition (not refurbished) with a pig skin holster for gun and mag), 44 mag ammo $150 easy right now for 220 rounds of mostly hydra shok, and 7.62x25 ammo at $.30/rd is above $800. Got 5k winchester large pistol primers for an extra $100 as well.
You stated the ammo was sub gun ammo so that stuff is antiquated surplus so it's not worth .30 a round. We bought that surplus stuff years ago for $69 for 1280 round tins and it was lousy ammo back then. The guns were fun when they were cheap to buy and cheap too shoot but that time has passed. If you plan on shooting that gun much you'll need to try and find an armorers kit for it and you will need it. The .44 ammo and primers sound like a decent deal but the rest. I'm not seeing it.
So at any rate as I said I hope you enjoy your purchase and if you are satisfied that you got a good deal then that's all that matters.
FYI, listed a little ammo on GB as I do not need 3k rounds. Currently at $.50/rd, so I think I faired well. If that pans out i'd be at $1,500 alone on the ammo.. Just saying, but COVID prices are real and I did research before the purchase on this.
Controlavirus prices ARE real for those who failed to stock up on ammo when everything was cheap. Fortunately I don't have to weather this storm by paying those prices. I fail to understand WHY you would want that gun yet sell off the ammo??? If you plan on shooting it the smart thing to do would be keep the ammo. That stuff just isn't available everywhere today and at some point you may well have to pay much more to replace it than you're selling it for.
I would consider 3K rounds not enough.
I'd rather have non-corrosive if possible. Just selling a little bit off to fund the purchase and 3k ammo for this gun to me is excessive as I do not have another gun that fires this round. If SHTF I would not be using this, but rather and AK/AR setups.
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Ouch! Well hope you enjoy your new purchase.
Curious why you say ouch? Pistol value lets say $300 (pristine condition (not refurbished) with a pig skin holster for gun and mag), 44 mag ammo $150 easy right now for 220 rounds of mostly hydra shok, and 7.62x25 ammo at $.30/rd is above $800. Got 5k winchester large pistol primers for an extra $100 as well.
You stated the ammo was sub gun ammo so that stuff is antiquated surplus so it's not worth .30 a round. We bought that surplus stuff years ago for $69 for 1280 round tins and it was lousy ammo back then. The guns were fun when they were cheap to buy and cheap too shoot but that time has passed. If you plan on shooting that gun much you'll need to try and find an armorers kit for it and you will need it. The .44 ammo and primers sound like a decent deal but the rest. I'm not seeing it.
So at any rate as I said I hope you enjoy your purchase and if you are satisfied that you got a good deal then that's all that matters.
FYI, listed a little ammo on GB as I do not need 3k rounds. Currently at $.50/rd, so I think I faired well. If that pans out i'd be at $1,500 alone on the ammo.. Just saying, but COVID prices are real and I did research before the purchase on this.
Controlavirus prices ARE real for those who failed to stock up on ammo when everything was cheap. Fortunately I don't have to weather this storm by paying those prices. I fail to understand WHY you would want that gun yet sell off the ammo??? If you plan on shooting it the smart thing to do would be keep the ammo. That stuff just isn't available everywhere today and at some point you may well have to pay much more to replace it than you're selling it for.
I would consider 3K rounds not enough.
How many rounds are really needed? Sold 400 rounds for $220, sold 5k primers for $450, and currently selling another 800 rounds which i'll get north of $400. I'd say I faired well for 220 rounds of 44 mag, CZ52 in awesome shape with pig skin holster and 2 mags, and keeping the 1800 rounds. So basically paid $30 for the CZ, 44 mag, and 1800 rounds of 7.62 Tokarev.
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OK so you're happy and that's all that matters. As to how many rounds are needed that's your decision. I keep ammo in quantities large enough for each caliber I own so that I can still go shoot on a regular basis and I'm not in any way impacted by the current situation and I won't be for several years.
I shot 20,000 rounds of 9mm last year and I can do that for a few more years with enough components to replenish the stock. So that's how much ammo I need.
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OK so you're happy and that's all that matters. As to how many rounds are needed that's your decision. I keep ammo in quantities large enough for each caliber I own so that I can still go shoot on a regular basis and I'm not in any way impacted by the current situation and I won't be for several years.
I shot 20,000 rounds of 9mm last year and I can do that for a few more years with enough components to replenish the stock. So that's how much ammo I need.
Wow, that is impressive. I've never shot 20k total in my life between all calibers, including shotgun. I definitely need to get out more and shoot.
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Nice catch. Reminds me that I have to take my 52 to the range one of these days.
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I bought my CZ52 last June and I was very happy with the deal I got on ODT.
Stamped 53 and with the typical Holster, 2 mags and cleaning rod. Unfired since import as it still had some cosmoline internally. It also came with 200 rounds of modern non corrosive and a 16 pack of 1953 surplus.
I paid $375 and with the price of ammunition currently.... that’s $175 for the pistol!
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That's a very good deal. That's less than I paid for my CZ52 back in 1995 or 1996 when I bought my pistol.
Scott