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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ 2075 RAMI CLUB => Topic started by: hootowls on December 24, 2020, 10:55:12 AM
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I saw a post made by a retailer over at calguns.net on 14 Dec 20 that CZ USA sent out an email to dealers which said the RAMI has been discontinued and production has ceased. Can anyone confirm this claim?
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The timing of this claim is interesting to me here in California as the DoJ's handgun roster for each manufacturer expires annually on 1 Jan unless renewed. Turns out as of this morning (24 Dec 20) CZ is one of the manufacturers who have not yet had their list approved for 2022 so no help there to confirm the claim. If the RAMI is discontinued it would seem unlikely that CZ would go to the hassle and cost of getting it on CA's handgun roster for 2022 just to sell out the existing CA supply, but who knows. Here's the link to CZ's approved model list for CA (https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search?make=151012). It's not unusual for approvals to come in later in January after the expiration date.
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It looks like CZs have been renewed on the CA handgun roster for another year to include RAMI. Still looking for confirmation on the model being discontinued.
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I saw the post that you are referencing on Calguns.net. As of yet i have not heard any further confirmation on the subject. The pistol being relisted on the California DOJ Handguns Certified for Sale list dose not necessarily mean anything. There are CZ pistol models on the list that have not been manufactured for many years.
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Time will tell on this I'm sure. The CZ-USA website still shows the Rami B and BD 9mm in production but the .40 S&W version was kicked to the curb in 2016 as CZ has abandoned that cartridge.
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For information:
The Rami is no longer listed on czub's European website.
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For information:
The Rami is no longer listed on czub's European website.
The Rami hasn't been listed on the CZUB site for some time. The 97B/BD is also missing and has been for some time even though it was still being imported and sold in the U.S.
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Bye
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For information:
The Rami is no longer listed on czub's European website.
The Rami hasn't been listed on the CZUB site for some time. The 97B/BD is also missing and has been for some time even though it was still being imported and sold in the U.S.
Doing a Google search in Germany for buying the Rami you still get some few results, but to my impression not as many as some time ago. So I suppose, these are Ramis still in stock
If a gun isn't listed any longer on the website of the manufacturer, that's normally the hint, that the production is phased out or has even ended.
CZ probably sees the Rami as superfluous after the introduction of the P10 S and P10 M. It remains to be seen whether that is correct.
Addional hint:
Frankonia is a similar enterprise in Germany like Cabelas in the US. Frankonia is the main importer and largest seller of CZ pistols in Germany. The Rami is currently on SALE on the Frankonia website at a special price.
Maybe so, but some models are sold in the U.S. market and not in Europe. This isn't a new discussion here. I'm just pointing out that absence from the CZUB catalog doesn't guarantee that a model is discontinued.
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CZ-USA’s website has removed the RAMI from its Handgun list and its now on pg 6 of the discontinued guns as of 2020
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Not too surprised. While I know the Rami has a loyal cult following, I don't think it has been a big seller in recent years.
Maybe we'll finally see a Rami-sized version of the P-07 as a replacement in the lineup?
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It's definitely discontinued for 2021. CZ-UB first mentioned that back in the spring or summer on their FB page.
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Not too surprised. While I know the Rami has a loyal cult following, I don't think it has been a big seller in recent years.
Maybe we'll finally see a Rami-sized version of the P-07 as a replacement in the lineup?
From what I have seen here and other forums, the Rami, especially the BD, have been very much sought after. Just looking around I notice them available for very short spurts then out of stock for long periods. I'm not heartbroken about it being discontinued. I have a BD that I don't love, have been thinking about turning it into cash for a couple years. I may have to wait and see what happens to its value.
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As much as I love my Rami BD, the ergonomics, smooth DA/SA trigger, accuracy, reliability and firepower in a small package, I have to say CZ dropped the ball by not updating them to a modern configuration, i.e.: adding a rail for lights and lasers and an optic mount. That’s where the Sig P365XL shines and why it’s so popular, though I don’t care for plastic, striker fire and the lousy trigger by comparison to the Rami.
A Rami BD with a factory rail and factory mounting access for a good red dot sight would be just about perfect. I may have to pick up another one and have it customized to that configuration...that’s the direction hand guns are going these days.
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Contacted a CZ dealer and they told me the rami was not in the 2021 price sheets. I’m assuming that indicates that there rami is truly discontinued. Hopefully I’m wrong but I think the hand writing is on the walls.
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Not too surprised. While I know the Rami has a loyal cult following, I don't think it has been a big seller in recent years.
Maybe we'll finally see a Rami-sized version of the P-07 as a replacement in the lineup?
If CZ goes that way, I’d much rather see a compact DA/SA P-07 with a rail and red dot mount than a miniature P-10 Glock clone.
Or, better yet, a subcompact version of the P-01 with a red dot mount.
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Contacted a CZ dealer and they told me the rami was not in the 2021 price sheets. I’m assuming that indicates that there rami is truly discontinued. Hopefully I’m wrong but I think the hand writing is on the walls.
The fact that it shows on the USA discontinued models page pretty well sums it up.
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Another CZ 75 variant bites the dust.
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Well when this thread started they still showed in normal production on the CZ-USA website but obviously in the past couple days that has been updated. I wasn't a Rami fan but I hope they don't replace it with another piece of poly crap.
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I told them several times on their facebook page to start making a subcompact SA/DA with decocker.... Something as flush as P10M but with hammer..... based on P07 line it could be called P05.... but no one listens to me O0
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I told them several times on their facebook page to start making a subcompact SA/DA with decocker.... Something as flush as P10M but with hammer..... based on P07 line it could be called P05....
Complete agreement!
I would very likely even trade in my Walther P5 comact for such a model.
Such a "P05" would be a real alternative for everyone who does not like striker-fired pistols and for whom the P10 S or the P10 M are therefore out of interest.
With particular reference to the Rami, it has become clear in the meantime that pistol frames reinforced with fiberglass are in no way inferior to frames made of steel or aluminum in terms of durability and reliability.
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Exactly... currently I carry my trusty CZ50... and the control over the gun when carry appendix feels much better if you can keep your thumb over the hammer and be sure there is nothing to blow your gentleman sausage off.... plus the heavy DA trigger...
I am not anti-striker fired pistols at all but for appendix I just prefer the extra safety of a DA +hammer.... but seems like strikers are popular now so what can we do :)
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I wish they would make a single stack version of the sub compact/Rami-sized. Would prefer hammer, but am OK with striker. Crowded market for sure, though. And the USA market? Well it may be changing as the new administration gets going (not a political statement - just a statement of fact).
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With the Rami being discontinued (sucks) other than the recoil spring, which replacement parts are unique to the Rami for future maintenance and repair ?
I think the Rami is so under rated and if more ppl were to shoot one they’d sell way more
Thx
Earl
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I think the Rami is so under rated and if more ppl were to shoot one they’d sell way more
Thx
Earl
I handled the Rami on many occasions and found it just too small in the grip frame each time and it just couldn't compare to my PCR or 75B compact so I passed on the Rami. Full disclosure I would not own a Shield, Sig P320,Hellcat or any of the other pistols in that category for the same short grip reason.
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RAMI market was shrinking because it is not the best concealable pistol today. Granted, it is very pleasant to shoot, but its weight and girth are just too much for a true subcompact. Today competition in terms of size, number of cartridges in the magazine and the price buried RAMI. Except for California, where RAMI was on DOJ approved pistol list for many years and other subcompact nines are not available - in other states RAMI popularity was shrinking and not because of the hammer vs. striker choices but mainly because of size, price and availability. CZ decision to discontinue RAMI was purely a business decision.
In the meantime, those who really are looking for one will be able to find it on Gunbroker and other auction sites.
For me. RAMI lost to CZ P10S OR a couple of years ago and I never regretted this decision.
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RAMI market was shrinking because it is not the best concealable pistol today. Granted, it is very pleasant to shoot, but its weight and girth are just too much for a true subcompact. Today competition in terms of size, number of cartridges in the magazine and the price buried RAMI. Except for California, where RAMI was on DOJ approved pistol list for many years and other subcompact nines are not available - in other states RAMI popularity was shrinking and not because of the hammer vs. striker choices but mainly because of size, price and availability. CZ decision to discontinue RAMI was purely a business decision.
In the meantime, those who really are looking for one will be able to find it on Gunbroker and other auction sites.
For me. RAMI lost to CZ P10S OR a couple of years ago and I never regretted this decision.
The only problem I have with the Rami is that CZ never updated it with a rail or an optic mount, otherwise it would be perfect. Accuracy, reliability, ergonomics and trigger are stellar compared to everything else.
The premier ccw pistol these days is the Sig P365XL, by virtue of its small size and large magazine capacity and due to the fact that it has a light/laser rail and a red dot mount, which is the trend for hand guns today. Unfortunately, as per the trend, it’s also striker fired with a plastic frame (cheaper), which are negatives, as far as I’m concerned. The ergonomics on the 365 are horrible: the striker fire trigger is a kludge (not much to do about that) and the grip is like grasping a 1”x2” wood slat. The good thing is that there’s a big aftermarket for the 365 to fix it’s niggles, but there’s no getting around that lousy trigger.
I have both, but I think I’m going back to the Rami, once I get CGW to mill me an optic mount and mount a small rail on it. Though the Rami is a little bigger than the 365XL, the trigger and ergos are just so much better than the 365, it’s like an extension of your hand.
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I find it somewhat amusing that the Rami is considered too bulky and heavy for its class but the P10S is highly regarded. The Rami is 1.5oz heavier than the P10S and virtually the same dimensionally. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210207/36f10f4a8071ca5ced7ca4c1f075566a.jpg)
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5 oz is 5 oz - on paper it may not be much but in carrying that extra 5 oz in the IWB holster it makes huge difference.
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5 oz is 5 oz - on paper it may not be much but in carrying that extra 5 oz in the IWB holster it makes huge difference.
It's 1.5 oz, not 5oz.
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Earl, you are absolutely right. It is `1.5 oz, but with weight of a concealed gun the story is somewhat similar to temperature. You always have a specific temperature and then "it feels like" temperature. It is 1.5 oz but it feels like a lot more. I have both and that comes from experience.
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I don’t know what are the head on dimensions of the RAMI versus the P-10S but I think the grip profile of the RAMI gives it that “bulky” feeling.
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I don’t know what are the head on dimensions of the RAMI versus the P-10S but I think the grip profile of the RAMI gives it that “bulky” feeling.
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I suspect that's the case. I don't have a P10S to measure, but published measurements show them within . 01 in overall width with the Rami being thinner. I'm not advocating for the Rami, I have one and like it far more than I expected to. As for others, to each his own. I do see a particular advantage in the P356XL. . .higher capacity, considerably slimmer and 4 or 5 oz lighter empty. If I we're going to carry IWB, the Sig would win hands down. I used to carry a Shield 45 IWB, but find the Rami OWB to be almost ideal for my needs. This discussion reminds me of the P-01/P07 debate years ago. People would pick the 07 based on it's lighter weight, but it wasn't lighter when we weighed them.
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Earl, you are absolutely right. It is `1.5 oz, but with weight of a concealed gun the story is somewhat similar to temperature. You always have a specific temperature and then "it feels like" temperature. It is 1.5 oz but it feels like a lot more. I have both and that comes from experience.
You better hit the gym and start eating your Wheaties if 1.5 oz. of superiority is making you wheeze...
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5 oz is 5 oz - on paper it may not be much but in carrying that extra 5 oz in the IWB holster it makes huge difference.
the difference is 1.5 oz, not 5 oz.
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With the Rami being discontinued (sucks) other than the recoil spring, which replacement parts are unique to the Rami for future maintenance and repair ?
I think the Rami is so under rated and if more ppl were to shoot one they’d sell way more
Thx
Earl
Even though it is being discontinued, parts should still be available for some time.
The far majority of the action parts are standard cz 75 parts. I think the slide stop is different.
Cheers,
Toby
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I emailed CZ regarding parts for the RAMI and they said they will continue to make parts like the guid rod assembly.
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Bummer
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They need to make a polymer P07 sub, think of the sphinx alpha subcompact but in an all polymer. Better still thin it out even some more!
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They need to make a polymer P07 sub, think of the sphinx alpha subcompact but in an all polymer. Better still thin it out even some more!
Supposedly, there’s been tinkering on a next generation Omega system to “thin” it out, whatever that implies.
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Earl Keese what OWB holster are you using? Curious.
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Earl Keese what OWB holster are you using? Curious.
Currently carrying in this:
https://www.ttgunleather.com/product-page/pancake-holster
. . .but have recently switched to Dinner bell holsters on FB.