The Original CZ Forum
GENERAL => Right to Keep and Bear Arms => Topic started by: mrcabinet on January 15, 2021, 07:51:09 PM
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It should be interesting to see what the court documents reveal.
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How much of the members funds are in that CSB LaPierre's pockets and tucked into offshore accounts? That's what I want to know. I hope they don't reincorporate here in Texas. Don't want those SOBs here. Stay in NY where they belong.
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I wont speak ill of the NRA, over time they have done a great deal of good and Im proud to be a life member. However there certainly are questions about the behavior of certain leaders. That needs to be thoroughly hashed out, and any wrongdoing addressed. The bankruptcy no doubt has as at least one reason, financial protection from the suit filed against the group in the present location. Though I wouldnt be surprised to learn mismanagement was also involved.
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How much of the members funds are in that CSB LaPierre's pockets and tucked into offshore accounts? That's what I want to know. I hope they don't reincorporate here in Texas. Don't want those SOBs here. Stay in NY where they belong.
Might want to clarify WHO you are talking about - I'm an NRA Life Member myself.
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Life Member here also and hope they restructure with better leadership.
For the past many years though, my lobbying contributions have gone to CCRKBA, GOA & SAF exclusively.
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How much of the members funds are in that CSB LaPierre's pockets and tucked into offshore accounts? That's what I want to know. I hope they don't reincorporate here in Texas. Don't want those SOBs here. Stay in NY where they belong.
The NRA is the oldest lobbying group we have that has fought to maintain our 2A rights. Yes they have not been perfect and yes they have some issues to iron out but to paint the whole organization that way sounds EXACTLY like the left painting all of us who voted for the orange man as not American.
Can you imagine the party the left will have if they successfully destroy the NRA. I would not care to see them that happy.
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....Yes they have not been perfect and yes they have some issues....
I'd say that's letting them off pretty lightly. At the end of the day, a group like the NRA that is highly dependent on membership has no more important currency than the trust of its members. The slimey, crooked leadership of the NRA broke that trust with many of us, and the ways that it did so aren't just "some issues" - they grossly abused the funding we gave them, expecting that money was going to be used productively, and instead they spent it on funding their lavish lifestyles in ways that didn't further the cause at all. And this isn't just about LaPierre - the entire management of the organization knew it was going on, many of them also participated in it and allowed it to continue for years. They became thoroughly rotten at the very top of the organization.
We absolutely need a strong, vibrant 2A organization now more than ever, and I really hope this opportunity allows for a new, much more ethical, organization to step into the void and do that. But I have zero sympathy for the demise of the NRA - they did it to themselves.
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....Yes they have not been perfect and yes they have some issues....
I'd say that's letting them off pretty lightly. At the end of the day, a group like the NRA that is highly dependent on membership has no more important currency than the trust of its members. The slimey, crooked leadership of the NRA broke that trust with many of us, and the ways that it did so aren't just "some issues" - they grossly abused the funding we gave them, expecting that money was going to be used productively, and instead they spent it on funding their lavish lifestyles in ways that didn't further the cause at all. And this isn't just about LaPierre - the entire management of the organization knew it was going on, many of them also participated in it and allowed it to continue for years. They became thoroughly rotten at the very top of the organization.
We absolutely need a strong, vibrant 2A organization now more than ever, and I really hope this opportunity allows for a new, much more ethical, organization to step into the void and do that. But I have zero sympathy for the demise of the NRA - they did it to themselves.
You know in many ways you are correct they did do it to themselves and in your last line there where you say you have zero sympathy we can also substitute NRA for UNITED STATES because "WE DID IT TO OURSELVES" Everyone stood around with their heads in the sand for decades while the left ran roughshod over the constitution, highjacked our schools, every other aspect of society is polluted now and finally everyone is surprised and upset at the result. Everyone was far too busy enjoying their lives too see how fragile our freedoms really were. Maybe some day a new society will emerge from the ashes and value their fragile existence with more fervor.
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You know in many ways you are correct they did do it to themselves and in your last line there where you say you have zero sympathy we can also substitute NRA for UNITED STATES because "WE DID IT TO OURSELVES" Everyone stood around with their heads in the sand for decades while the left ran roughshod over the constitution, highjacked our schools, every other aspect of society is polluted now and finally everyone is surprised and upset at the result. Everyone was far too busy enjoying their lives too see how fragile our freedoms really were. Maybe some day a new society will emerge from the ashes and value their fragile existence with more fervor.
I don't disagree with your larger point at all. But apparently on some level the NRA didn't agree with that point, or they wouldn't have stolen our money. Freedoms can be lost due to laziness or complacency, but they can just as easily be lost to corruption.
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We absolutely need a strong, vibrant 2A organization now more than ever, and I really hope this opportunity allows for a new, much more ethical, organization to step into the void and do that.
Guessing my post (below) was overlooked.....or those lobbying organizations were simply dismissed by you.
my lobbying contributions have gone to CCRKBA, GOA & SAF exclusively.
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Guessing my post (below) was overlooked.....or those lobbying organizations were simply dismissed by you.
Huh? Why would you assume your suggestions were dismissed by me? I've been a GOA member for years, and yes, I think they could become that very organization I was saying we need.
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This thread is about the NRA, not the political climate of today. Please keep on topic.
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NRA bankruptcy is just a business move.
Do not worry, 149 years of history cannot just vanish. Some may not be happy about the current leadership but NRA is not a single person... it's 5M people Organization.
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NRA bankruptcy is just a business move.
Do not worry, 149 years of history cannot just vanish. Some may not be happy about the current leadership but NRA is not a single person... it's 5M people Organization.
I agree with this.
They need to do some housecleaning, but the NRA remains the largest and therefore the most capable organization to continue the fight. United we stand, fragmented we wont. Things are looking pretty bleak as it is.
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How much of the members funds are in that CSB LaPierre's pockets and tucked into offshore accounts? That's what I want to know. I hope they don't reincorporate here in Texas. Don't want those SOBs here. Stay in NY where they belong.
I think you better think about who you are talking about and keep your facts straight. I am a life member just like my Armoredman.
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How much of the members funds are in that CSB LaPierre's pockets and tucked into offshore accounts? That's what I want to know. I hope they don't reincorporate here in Texas. Don't want those SOBs here. Stay in NY where they belong.
I think you better think about who you are talking about and keep your facts straight. I am a life member just like my Armoredman.
Lapierre's alleged corruption is pretty well documented. Doesn't seem to me like Ron M is disparaging members. Am I misunderstanding?
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I understand the despite is aimed at NRA senior Admin who have been wasteful of member money.
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I have been an NRA member for most of my adult life and a Life Member since the early 2000's. I have also attended NRA conventions and training in the past few years. Yeah, I think their leadership team is corrupt and has been for a while. I have also seen this happen with other non-profits that have nothing to do with 2A rights. The people in charge don't believe in the mission and are only there to serve their own self-interests. Whatever minimal 2A-related contributions I have made in the past few years have gone to the GOA. On the other hand, the majority of people rooting for the defeat / destruction / whatever of the NRA aren't looking to reform the NRA or the 2A rights movement in general. They are looking to disarm you in preparation for what comes next.
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How much of the members funds are in that CSB LaPierre's pockets and tucked into offshore accounts? That's what I want to know. I hope they don't reincorporate here in Texas. Don't want those SOBs here. Stay in NY where they belong.
Honestly, I don't think they know what they're getting into. Texans don't take kindly to betrayals, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the AG or others force them to make leadership and structure changes prior to 2024 and almost definitely prior to 2028 unless they make systemic changes on their own.
As you know, the NRA state affiliate here is a joke with probably a half dozen 2A state orgs now having more operating funds and probably also more membership. Heck TSRA gave cover to RINOs opposed to constitutional carry last session. Doesn't get much more useful idiot/cuck than that!
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Honestly, my first take was that LaPierre agreed to pay cuts but he wants to move to no state income tax Texas to make those paycuts hurt less.
Also remember that the NRA was previously planning to buy him a home in the state: "Inside the Luxe Texas Mansion the NRA Nearly Bought for CEO Wayne LaPierre"
https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/luxe-texas-mansion-nra-nearly-bought-wayne-lapierre/
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We absolutely need a strong, vibrant 2A organization now more than ever, and I really hope this opportunity allows for a new, much more ethical, organization to step into the void and do that.
Guessing my post (below) was overlooked.....or those lobbying organizations were simply dismissed by you.
my lobbying contributions have gone to CCRKBA, GOA & SAF exclusively.
Would encourage you to look into the financials of SAF and CCRKBA -- CCRKBA is the NRA ILA equivalent to SAF. SAF has just a fraction of their revenues actually going to litigation. Most of their monies go to the consulting firms who own/run the SAF and CCRKBA.
Latest 990 propublica for 2018 has $1 million to legal out of $4.8 million raised, roughly 22%.
Top vendors -- at least two of the top five expenditure recipients are businesses owned by management of SAF w/ same address
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/916184167/09_2019_prefixes_91-95%2F916184167_201812_990_2019091016633026
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I don't disagree with your larger point at all. But apparently on some level the NRA didn't agree with that point, or they wouldn't have stolen our money. Freedoms can be lost due to laziness or complacency, but they can just as easily be lost to corruption.
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LaPierre's mismanagement had the NRA on the sidelines and completely ineffective politically in 2020.
The forthcoming Biden infringements on our 2A rights -- those are due in no small part to LaPierre and the NRA Board's corruption and incompetence failing to make gun rights a political issue. And remember that there were an estimated 7-9 million NEW GUN OWNERS in 2020. What a wasted opportunity!
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The lawsuit highlights misspending by the organization’s longtime leader Wayne Lapierre on things like hair and makeup for his wife, lavish trips and a $17 million post-employment contract for himself without board approval.
The investigation also found the NRA went from a nearly $28 million surplus in 2015 to a $36 million deficit in 2018.
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Love your signature line ;D
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https://www.compuserve.com/news/story/0002/20210121/KBN29Q2ID_5 (https://www.compuserve.com/news/story/0002/20210121/KBN29Q2ID_5)
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I too am a life member of the NRA. I agree that the senior leadership needs to change as well.
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The NRA definitely need to clean house, starting with the top. As much as people like to knock the NRA, they do a lot of good for funding gun programs, like ranges, youth gun sports etc. I think the move out of NY and to Texas is a great idea.