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GENERAL => Right to Keep and Bear Arms => Topic started by: Double Tap on October 16, 2021, 11:16:00 AM
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https://www.ammoland.com/2021/10/new-leak-shows-atf-forming-four-new-branches/
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So new branches and bigger government? Hmmm
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Something Cooper wrote once has always stuck with me whenever the ATF comes up- "can anyone think of a relationship between firearms and tobacco?". Or alcohol for that matter. Makes you wonder how the agency was conceived, but I'm not curious enough to bother researching it.
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It looks like the number of field agents will be far more than doubled with an expansion from one current office in WV to seven more in Atlanta, Chicago, Kansas City, Dallas, Denver, Seattle, and Las Vegas. Expect to run into a lot more ATF agents.
What laws are all these new field agents going to be enforcing?
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No surprise here. When you allow roaches and rodents to operate unhindered they multiply.
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Something Cooper wrote once has always stuck with me whenever the ATF comes up- "can anyone think of a relationship between firearms and tobacco?". Or alcohol for that matter. Makes you wonder how the agency was conceived, but I'm not curious enough to bother researching it.
I believe the relation is they all have special taxes, and I think the atf was originally part of the IRS.
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Something Cooper wrote once has always stuck with me whenever the ATF comes up- "can anyone think of a relationship between firearms and tobacco?". Or alcohol for that matter. Makes you wonder how the agency was conceived, but I'm not curious enough to bother researching it.
I believe the relation is they all have special taxes, and I think the atf was originally part of the IRS.
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All where originally part of the treasury dept. but the ATF as it's know today wasn't made a separate unit till 1972. There's a whole long history that's easy to find about all this if anyone cares to look it up and read it.
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That does several things.
Gives them more voters tied to the party's future. Keep us in office, we'll keep you working for the government.
Gives them more employees they control.
Gives them more ability to exercise control over the regular working citizens.
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That does several things.
Gives them more voters tied to the party's future. Keep us in office, we'll keep you working for the government.
Gives them more employees they control.
Gives them more ability to exercise control over the regular working citizens.
Yeah and this is just the small part. Wait till people finally see the size of the iceberg this ship is about to hit!
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Something Cooper wrote once has always stuck with me whenever the ATF comes up- "can anyone think of a relationship between firearms and tobacco?". Or alcohol for that matter. Makes you wonder how the agency was conceived, but I'm not curious enough to bother researching it.
I believe the relation is they all have special taxes, and I think the atf was originally part of the IRS.
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Now I know.
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Something tells me the bulk of the additional resources aren't going into approving Form 4s and Form 1s.
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Something tells me the bulk of the additional resources aren't going into approving Form 4s and Form 1s.
They need more tax money to pay all those agents so atleast the backlog will increase :)
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They were hired to be the assistant to the assistant manager.
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It looks like the number of field agents will be far more than doubled with an expansion from one current office in WV to seven more in Atlanta, Chicago, Kansas City, Dallas, Denver, Seattle, and Las Vegas. Expect to run into a lot more ATF agents.
What laws are all these new field agents going to be enforcing?
1 of their specific efforts is to find errors or the FFL's 4473's and revoke their license.
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Congress really needs to appropriate more money for the FBI specifically to process NCIS background checks. That system is already at the breaking point and just barely functions on its best days.
"Charleston loophole" this, and "Charleston loophole" that, but I see more and more NCIS checks that timeout the mandatory waiting period because the FBI and the NCIS can't do what is supposed to be done right now. If there were any pols who were sincere in "closing the Charleston loophole," they'd start by increasing the funding for the NCIS.
Adding more time to the mandatory wait period, BTW, does nothing to actually improve the number of checks completed since X-number of agents can only do Y-number of checks, period. As long as the number of checks requested remains constant (i.e. new requests are constantly coming in to make up for the ones completed), those same agents can never complete more checks than they can at present (which is already not even close to 100%). Giving them more time to do something they can't already do is pointless.
We sure as heck don't need more ATF agents to do the FBI's job. If the FBI was able to do what it is supposed to do with NCIS checks, they would already be catching falsified and incorrect 4473s.
The allocation of resources (the money appropriated and what agency is getting it) proves the intentions and goals of the politicians involved are not actually preventing firearms sales to people who should not legally have them. It's all about stopping ALL firearms sales, legal or not.
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Something tells me the bulk of the additional resources aren't going into approving Form 4s and Form 1s.
They need more tax money to pay all those agents so atleast the backlog will increase :)
Don't worry they are going to cover that with many more new IRS agents and they also announced increase in audits for lower income bracket..........freaking scum bags.
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We now know what at least some of the additional ATF agents are doing:
https://youtu.be/aHDZevpt8ek
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The Ammoland article from OPs link is dated 10/15/21 with a headline implying it is a scoop from a leak source.
The White House posted* this information, and more, on 6/23/21.
If you really want to get worked up read the WH post.
* https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/06/23/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-comprehensive-strategy-to-prevent-and-respond-to-gun-crime-and-ensure-public-safety/