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GENERAL => General Firearms Discussion => Topic started by: Classic12 on October 19, 2021, 10:06:08 AM

Title: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Classic12 on October 19, 2021, 10:06:08 AM
I’ve recently added a few examples of Swiss Parabellum pistols (also called Swiss Luger in the US) to the herd and now have an nice representative assortment

Switzerland was amongst the first countries to adopt Georg Luger’s pistol in 1900 (based on Hugo Borchardt’s C 93), after testing the (scarce) semi automatic competition of the day. The original caliber was the bottlenecked 7.65 mm Parabellum, i.e. .30 Luger.

5000 Parabellum model 1900 were produced at DWM (Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabrik) in Berlin and delivered between 1900 and 1906, numbered 1 to 5000. Mine is # 2882 and was made in 1904 and is in an exceptional condition for its age

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In 1906 the Swiss ordered more Parabellum pistols from DWM however with some modifications: coil mainspring instead of the somewhat fragile lead spring one, newly designed slide and extractor… Those were produced from 1906 until 1914 (Parabellum model 1906 DWM) and numbered from 5001 to 15215. Mine is number 8759, was made in 1908 and oddly privatised to civilian life in 1943 (P43 marking). This one shows a bit more wear.

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World War I interrupted the supply from Germany, and in 1918 the Swiss decided to manufacture their own Parabellum in Waffenfabrik Bern, which was the state Arsenal. They were produced from 1918 until 1933 (Parabellum model 1906 Waffenfabrik or W+F and sometimes incorrectly named 1906/24 or 06/24) and numbered from 15251 to 33089.

Mine is number 21134 and was made in 1923. It’s the first one I bought and I’ve put several thousand rounds through it, including military style competitions. Still in very nice shape.

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As can be seen, the German made and Swiss made pistols are almost identical

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Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Classic12 on October 19, 2021, 10:06:25 AM
By 1929, the Swiss had tested several other semi automatic pistols but decided to remain faithful to the Parabellum pistol. However they simplified the manufacturing process by effecting several changes in order to be more cost effective. The grip is now straight, all checkered or serrated small parts are now smooth and blued. And the grips are made of various “modern” materials instead of wood. The pistols are still very well made and extremely accurate though.

The Parabellum Waffenfabrik model 1906/29 or 06/29 was produced from 1933 until 1946, numbered from 50001 to 77941.

My first one is number 51280 and was made in April 1933. It has red canevasite grips and magazine bottom. Canevasite is a phenol resin. Quite fragile back then
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And then I bought a later one, number 58925, made in 1940, now with brown Bakelite grips and magazine bottom.

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Pretty much identical except for grips and magazine bottoms.
The last serie was made with black Bakelite grips.

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Family photos

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Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: George16 on October 19, 2021, 10:34:03 AM
Very nice collection!
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Classic12 on November 23, 2021, 08:13:44 AM
Did I mention these pistols were very accurate?

Some targets at 25 m

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And at 50 m

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I’ve heard Mauser bought the manufacturing equipment from Waffenfabrik Bern and built some Parabellum after the Swiss pattern in the 70ies. By sheer coincidence, two shooting buddies came to the range with two such pistols, only 3 digits apart

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Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Fuzzy Sights on November 23, 2021, 11:45:23 AM
Agree with George.  Nice collection.

JW
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: jwc007 on November 23, 2021, 02:48:09 PM
Very very Nice Collection!!!  8)   :)  I did not know that the Swiss had made Luger Pistols.
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: simplemann on November 23, 2021, 05:54:53 PM
interesting thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Swamp ash on November 23, 2021, 10:41:23 PM
Wow! That's a great pictorial and collection!
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: double-d on November 24, 2021, 09:21:13 AM
I want one !!!!
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: timmy75 on November 24, 2021, 12:06:32 PM
WOW! how many pistols you have?
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Classic12 on November 24, 2021, 01:31:03 PM
Quote from: timmy75 on November 24, 2021, 12:06:32 PM
WOW! how many pistols you have?
A bunch. And some rifles. And MG
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Classic12 on November 29, 2021, 08:29:06 AM
Update : I thought I could live without the missing one, the last batch produced with black Bakelite grips. I was wrong. And the LGS had five of them. It seems that sadly old collectors are dropping like flies and plenty of those guns are on the market, which makes them cheap ($ 900 for a very nice 1906/29 with holster and 2nd mag).

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Holster made in 1942

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Gun made in Ferbruary 1943

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The three colours of 1906/29. Red, brown and black

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Updated family photo

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Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Blackwatch on November 29, 2021, 08:59:52 AM
Very nice collection and pictures!
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Dutch70 on November 29, 2021, 03:41:44 PM
Very nice, Thank you, I enjoyed the history.
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Northern on November 29, 2021, 09:56:52 PM
This is wonderful, thanks so much for sharing!
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Classic12 on January 16, 2022, 03:50:19 PM
Update 06/34

Shortly before Christmas I visited my favourite LGS. He had just brought in a large assortment of Swiss weapons

Straight pull rifles (G11, K11, K31)

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K31 with diopter sights

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Stgw 57

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And a good selection of Parabellum pistols

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I was attracted by one that was not priced yet

In May 1930, MauserWerke in Oberndorf took over the machines from DWM in Berlin to produce Parabellum pistols

They produced commercial models for Switzerland, based on the Swiss pattern, 12 cm barrel, approx 4 3/4 in, 7.65 mm Parabellum caliber / .30 Luger and a grip safety. They have Swiss proof marks (and no German ones).

The first ones were made of existing parts, so still wore the DWM logo and a Swiss cross in a sun. As of 1934 they wore the Mauser banner. Dubbed the 1906/34 or 06/34, some 700 are believed to have been produced, so it’s quite rare and in that beautiful condition with matching number mag, it will be priced in the 5 grand region (meaning it won’t join my family).

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Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: QuickDrawMcgraw on January 16, 2022, 09:39:59 PM
Great collection and very beautiful pictures - thank you very much
Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: jwc007 on January 17, 2022, 02:36:18 AM
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Title: Re: Swiss Parabellum Pistols
Post by: Classic12 on August 14, 2022, 12:51:11 PM
I bought a seventh one, a 1913 made DWM model 1906

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So now with the 1908 made one I have a pair

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There is a notable difference though : the first series has the Swiss cross in a starburst, the second series has it in a shield. LGS also told me that the second series was assembled in Switzerland.

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