The Original CZ Forum
CZ LONG ARMS => VZ-58 semi auto rifle => Topic started by: czgunner on December 04, 2021, 12:25:09 PM
-
Anybody run one of these on an RS Regulate rail?
https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-glx-2x-prism-scope-with-acss-cqb-m5-7-62x39-reticle
I installed it on mine, but I'm concerned it may be too long and get banged up during ejection.
-
Pics are helpful. Add a killflash to protect the glass if you're really worried.
-
I have a 3X on mine, never gets hit with empties. I went with the ACOG upper though, to get the optic lower.
(https://i.imgur.com/cv7o11uh.jpg)
-
Please let us know how this runs. This is one of the ONLY places that discusses the VZ 58.
Knowing how this one does at close range is important. I don't think the 3X is a 'CQB' option.
It WOULD be nice to be able to run a multiplier as you can on some AK mounts. I don't think an option exists to do this on a 58.
-
I don't clear rooms with this, lol! It's a range shooter, never has missed a beat. They absolutely love VZ58s on the AK Files, good place to hang out for all kinds of discussion:) This CQB was literally the only rifle Czechpoint had in stock when I had the cash ready, plus I like short rifles. I had a much taller CSA scope base, before the RS Regulate mount, so I put a straight M4 adapter on it to help with the cheek weld. It now has the original angled adapter back on it, with a perfect weld.
-
I don't clear rooms with this, lol! It's a range shooter,...
I'll rephrase - COULD it be used at close range well? (I understand some of the limitations, but I DO believe that the 3X is a NO GO for close range or home defense.
See: https://youtu.be/ENsxyT8iCM0
Thanks.
-
I wouldn't use a 3X inside, no way. It's a great 100 yard plinker though. I would use a red dot if this was intended for inside, or just remove the optic.
-
I wouldn't use a 3X inside, no way. It's a great 100 yard plinker though. I would use a red dot if this was intended for inside, or just remove the optic.
Don't know if these have flip up lens cups, but if so close the front one and shoot both eyes open... Quicker albeit a little less exact than offset BUIS, but adequate for civilian self-defense needs.
-
Never thought of trying that, makes sense :)
Just tried this, works great!
-
The key problem I see with the VZ 58 is that you CANNOT use a 1X with a 3X magnifier - not enough room. There ARE some options with the AK to do this.
We must mount another optic. That is also why I asked about the 2X and close range.
-
I think most folks now realize that red dots w/ magnifiers are no longer the best option and why moving to LPVOs.
-
Most folks might want the flexibility of a variable optic and that's fine especially for a range gun.
Not me. I'd like to keep the weight down. If I throw on an optic magnifier for 3X I am now extending my range considerably, and I can 'go back' to a lightweight carbine for most of my work.
Yes, there is a tradeoff, and the LPVO will perform better at distance, but I don't want the weight.
-
Yeah, LPVOs are great on certain guns for certain applications, but they’re heavy, and on a Vz58 they’d get constantly dinged by ejected shells.
I’ve found the PA 3x prism optic with the ACSS reticle to be just about perfect for the Vz58 in x39, compact, lightweight and accurate out to 300 yards (maybe even beyond if I had a range to shoot farther). That package makes for a really handy little brush / hunting rifle.
-
3X is not good for CQB distance. Why I'm asking about the 2X.
A heavy system on the VZ eliminates some of the guns primary advantage.
-
LPVOs are w/in a quarter lb of magnifier and micro -- less w/ full size red dot -- or ~25%. And yes, LPFVOs are not ideal for the Vz58. That's why if your needs mandate it, you're better off to look at other systems with full length picatinny top rail.
If you're mounting anything on a rear side rail mount you are eliminating some of the Vz58's weight savings, and much if using any of the CSA steel side rails.
The Vz58 is a carbine suited to carbine roles -- in no small part due to the ballistics of the 7.62x39 round. The second you start adding magnified optics to it, you're forcing a carbine into rifle roles.
-
But... a magnified optic has MUCH to offer for a carbine - and why there is a market for such and military uses.
In this, the VZ has a short dust cover and is therefore handicapped.
Even a 2X helps people see the target better at most ranges, and a magnifier can help with Red Dots and non prism sights be more effective for those with any form of astigmatism. This is simply a handicap for the VZ because I've never seen a system adapted to this carbine for multiplier use.
Hence the 2X COULD be a useful but not perfect system on the 58.
You are right about weight and the VZ rail - why I may ditch the solid rail eventually. But being able to use a magnified optic on the 58 is good - given its decent accuracy.
-
But... a magnified optic has MUCH to offer for a carbine - and why there is a market for such and military uses.
In this, the VZ has a short dust cover and is therefore handicapped.
Even a 2X helps people see the target better at most ranges, and a magnifier can help with Red Dots and non prism sights be more effective for those with any form of astigmatism. This is simply a handicap for the VZ because I've never seen a system adapted to this carbine for multiplier use.
Hence the 2X COULD be a useful but not perfect system on the 58.
You are right about weight and the VZ rail - why I may ditch the solid rail eventually. But being able to use a magnified optic on the 58 is good - given its decent accuracy.
Your gripes have been noted, and no one's disputing that magnified optics can provide benefits albeit usually w/ some trade-offs.
There is no option to cowitness irons with red dot and multiplier/magnifier, excepting one prototype that used detachable AR irons on a monolithic system.
The taller Czech-made railed handguards with railed top cover were made so that both were at same height above bore so that night vision or multipliers can be used with forward mount full size red dot. Probably images in picture thread of such or you can google. I've seen them before.
Or you can look to the magwedge shared in a different thread that is a cost-effective monolithic upper.
I don't see any reason to continue to belabor this. This is starting to enter troll zone...
Edit: here you go from a quick google search: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=111036.0
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/f0/a1/98/f0a198f7888f6c0abaa3055432191451--tactical-rifles-firearms.jpg)
-
I don't see any reason to continue to belabor this. This is starting to enter troll zone...
[/quote]
Thank you RSR. I was wondering if anybody else was seeing it the same way!
-
RSR: You're actually the one that took us on the LPVO route. I don't think it is viable for the VZ 58 - correct? I was trying to stay on track with a small 2X sight - one applicable to the 58.
Let me ask my original question again. Has anyone found that running the 2X gave enough of an advantage to be able to handle CQB and some 'distance' carbine shooting? Perhaps used one in a course? Would one need an extendable stock to run it on a VZ 58? Thanks.
These are valuable questions as they save folks going down expensive and fruitless roads.
-
Let me ask my original question again. Has anyone found that running the 2X gave enough of an advantage to be able to handle CQB and some 'distance' carbine shooting?
Brian, take this for what it’s worth, as I no longer have my VZ58 CQB model and moved back over to my AUG and AR’s (albeit w/7.62x39 uppers). Hopefully the little bit of info might help out.
Not PA optics, but I had/have several of the compact ACOG models and have several pics concerning reticle view and eye relief (though atop AR). Currently I still have the 1.5x16 TA44C mounted on my wife’s rifle, a 3x30 TA33 GH model on mine, and a TR24G on my AUG (though not applicable to this convo).
Truth be told, I really liked the 2x20 TA47C models, especially the one with the 9 MOA Triangle, the crosshairs not so much l, though would like to try the 7 MOA Dot variant. Small, light, and compact (identical in size to the 3x24 TA50 I’ve also had), and has very good eye relief, definitely more than what Trijicon lists. I definitely think it would fit the bill for 0-200 yard engagements, as long as it is used within it’s capabilities.
Old pic of the 2x20 TA47 on my AR, and beside my VZ58 CQB:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/f331ad66c0fafa7f5f1aa29d6ea1d133.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/5c5e16fbcdd4745e83b78623884f3e14.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/72a6673f8f2d40d9d2a6b18ade8276ad.jpg)
My apologies for the very poor pic quality, phone camera truly doesn’t capture anywhere remotely how clear and bright things really are through my optics. View through various ACOGs of my target backstop, a 6’ H x 6’W x 3’ D stack of Maple Tree stumps, 130 yards away. Couple of the images are looking through the 1.5x16 TA44C at an XL-sized shirt on torso sized target cutout.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/459a8c6e1d02516128945774918e4649.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/7554521a8f26f1c71faf0ce20d9af087.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/791f0ca24492fc1430b7f95a727a858d.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/eee1f788a96fcea36aab1cbd0c642d20.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/c51858778887356d48427d188a6e3e16.jpg)
TA44C and TA47C:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/e6404a7515d8bedd26dcebf6d6c107c0.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/1faca91a564262b137e579de86b4db59.jpg)
[emoji1303]
-
There is no option to cowitness irons with red dot and multiplier/magnifier, excepting one prototype that used detachable AR irons on a monolithic system.
The taller Czech-made railed handguards with railed top cover were made so that both were at same height above bore so that night vision or multipliers can be used with forward mount full size red dot. Probably images in picture thread of such or you can google. I've seen them before.
Or you can look to the magwedge shared in a different thread that is a cost-effective monolithic upper.
I don't see any reason to continue to belabor this. This is starting to enter troll zone...
Edit: here you go from a quick google search: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=111036.0
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/f0/a1/98/f0a198f7888f6c0abaa3055432191451--tactical-rifles-firearms.jpg)
Clarifying monolithic rail/cowitness/higher sight options:
- One I was referencing was a Czech prototype for modernizing the Vz58 after budget/limited state finances didn't allow new small arms weapon system. (I think might have also been a bullpup chassis prototype for the Vz58, but similar situation IIRC.)
- NEA/Neit (NEA bought out Neit and can't always remember who did what first) w/ their dual AR rear sight and AR buffer tube adapter also had sights on a higher plane and removed OEM front for a rail mounted AR front sight. Not monolithic though.
- The taller front handguard and railed top covers mentioned previously came contemporary with, if not after Neit/NEAs cowitness front handguard. A few different options now.
- CSA 958 Hunter -- this was a Canadian model w/ heavy barrel and no iron sights and monolithic rail from rear sight across integral top cover. There was also a Tactical model that was advertised with iron front sight and very low nonadjustable peep on the railed topcover. Top cover screwed down onto the receiver, so not really acceptable for any serious use...
- Magwedge top rail which goes from rear sight to over OEM top cover
My point about variable LPVOs is that in most instances they are superior to fixed mag optics. You can't adjust them to brighten in low light/twilight, generally have a more forgiving eyebox at 1x and have both higher and lower magnification when you want them. Coupled with the weight you nevertheless have to carry and increased potential for loss/damage to magnifier carried off the rifle. There are trade-offs with anything, but right now LPVOs tend to have the least number of them if you're looking for one rifle to do everything -- a recce rifle if you will...
The configuration I have advocated for is a forward mount red dot and accept its limitations. W/ NEA upper rail and red dot -- that weighs about the same as OE upper handguard w/ beaver barf/wood.
Another option you can look at is offset BUIS or offset backup reflex. Just ensure charging handle isn't in the way if you're right handed...
And by all means, you do whatever's best for you and your needs.
-
Cyanide - very nice pics and posts! Appreciate the new knowledge! Gives me some hope on the 2X Prism system. Thank you.
-
Brian, you’re very welcome! Here’s a few more pics from my old 2x20 TA47C’s you may be interested in concerning the dreaded “washout” aiming out from a dark area into a bright one.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211221/6605bf1e2141632d2ce72da63f50956f.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211221/4efe673bd4e32184d99650af635dd3bd.jpg)
-
RSR:
he configuration I have advocated for is a forward mount red dot and accept its limitations. W/ NEA upper rail and red dot -- that weighs about the same as OE upper handguard w/ beaver barf/wood.
I am beginning to believe this is indeed the case. I may end up taking off my heavy rear mount base, or putting on a skeletonized one. Keep it light and simple.
But MAYBE a 2X prism would work well and help my old eyes.
-
Primary Arms has a 3x micro prism coming out very early next year. 5.5 ounces and around $270.
-
Back to one of my points - I think the 3X is a non starter for CQB distances... But as an overall hunting and range gun fine.
-
I am beginning to believe this is indeed the case. I may end up taking off my heavy rear mount base, or putting on a skeletonized one. Keep it light and simple.
But MAYBE a 2X prism would work well and help my old eyes.
For the lightest possible self-defense rifle WITH rule-of-law (what I think you're referencing), I don't know that there's much benefit to 2x vs 1x AND you lose the use of iron sights w/ any prism optic above and beyond the fact that you can't cowitness them on the Vz58 anyways. If you have vision issues or want to show off precision shooting (especially if astigmatism turns red dots blurry and substantially increase MOA) or want to ensure optimal shot placement for humane hunting, then yes, there's a benefit to magnified optics.
I have astigmatism and exclusively run Vortex Spitfire 1x prisms on my home defense ARs for myself and my wife. Detailed in another thread that I think it's a really fast reticle and superior to single dot of a red dot, despite substantial addition of weight.
Something else to mention is that antireflective devices are invisible on most prism optics due to light reflection. On red dots, you see that honeycomb. Other ARs have LPVOs, mid-power variables, and red dots for need/use case.
With LPVOs your 1-4s and 1-8s run about the same weight, so I spend the little extra for that add'l magnification. I also don't think the 1-4s are worth the weight given alternative higher magnification options -- different story 5 years ago when very few optics beyond 4x could offer a true 1 power. And also why I question whether low mag prisms are superior -- even the Marine Corps is ditching ACOGs for a 1-8x LPVO from Trijicon.
Also worth mentioning:
In real life with rule-of-law, if you're using your scope to survey and point your rifle at a cop or anyone else who is armed even if just glassing, you're likely to get shot.
This year or last there was also that incident of someone in a truck bed w/ a scoped rifle and w/ protesters of some sort, who got arrested and jailed for pointing his rifle at them while looking through the scope and IIRC claimed he was just wanting to look at a potential threat more closely.
Regardless, my point is that 8x or 10x binocs or just as an important part of your kit as weapon's optics. Unless you have some stabilization mechanism, anything beyond 8 to 10x in binocs gets pretty bouncy.
In sum: EVERYTHING is a trade-off. There's no perfection, and there's always limitations. And everyone's needs and use cases are different. Do what works for you and your needs and limitations. The goal is to maximize your performance while using your tool in your use cases.
-
Right.
I'm starting to believe that I really like a fwd mount optic at cowitness. This provides a really good FOV for SA and allows more precision than irons. AK or VZ, I may go there.
Maybe augmenting with a 3X prism on a detachable mount is a better option as long range backup on the VZ. I have a quick detach mount for the front, but the kicker is it does not yet return the front Micro to center. Not yet. It is an ARMS mount. Very well made, and holds the MD25 lower than the stock mount. But not proven yet.
-
Don't you lose most cowitness ability with add'l height of detachable mount?
If your QD mount doesn't return to zero, then I question the quality of its design since returning to zero after QDing is the bare minimum baseline for its proper function/quality.
I don't get the point of the MD25. Best as I can tell it's for folks who haven't trained themselves and their eyes to shoot w/ both eyes open. The ol' chapstick trick works well for that...
W/ the 40% larger tube diameter you also move your stock irons even lower in the tube/glass and also reduce the efficacy of the red dot tube itself serving as a large ghost ring.
Larger tubes in prism optics that reflect light, especially magnified optics, can provide benefit (lens coatings, etc., also matter roughly equivalently), but I'm not aware of any similar intrinsic benefit for red dots given proper usage... Additionally and for instance, Vortex spitfire's 1x DRT MOA reticle has two circle and a dot plus the tube, so three circles naturally draw the eye to the center. The tube on red dots fills the same function as those three...
Food for thought.
So you're planning to tote around two optics with one at every time mounted off the weapon? I'd suggest looking to one or the other an a 45* offset mount instead on mounts that hold and return to zero.
-
My comment on a 3X to augment is speculation. I could EASILY see the use on a long range patrol for a specific use for a specific operation. I've carried 70 LBS on my back for 25 Kms a day for extended periods. NOT that I'd do that now - just saying its a viable possibility.
The MD 25 provides me an ACSS reticle - not essential. Provides a bit more capability. I find it easy to use in a forward position like a dot, and provides SA and a bright tube and capability if I need it. Meanwhile it provides rapid acquisition.
The ARMS mount is solid. I've dismounted it and twice had to adjust the center. So - why have it? Two reasons. One, it is LOWER and provides a better view in cowitness - yup hard to believe but true. Second, if my MD25 gets damaged in the middle of an engagement, I throw it off and shoot with the irons unobstructed. Some folks never considered that, but glass can break, or get sprayed with stuff. Stuff happens at the worst time. Murphy is everywhere on the battlefield.
It also MAY need some breaking in. Right now it does the first two functions fine.
-
My comment on a 3X to augment is speculation. I could EASILY see the use on a long range patrol for a specific use for a specific operation. I've carried 70 LBS on my back for 25 Kms a day for extended periods. NOT that I'd do that now - just saying its a viable possibility.
The MD 25 provides me an ACSS reticle - not essential. Provides a bit more capability. I find it easy to use in a forward position like a dot, and provides SA and a bright tube and capability if I need it. Meanwhile it provides rapid acquisition.
The ARMS mount is solid. I've dismounted it and twice had to adjust the center. So - why have it? Two reasons. One, it is LOWER and provides a better view in cowitness - yup hard to believe but true. Second, if my MD25 gets damaged in the middle of an engagement, I throw it off and shoot with the irons unobstructed. Some folks never considered that, but glass can break, or get sprayed with stuff. Stuff happens at the worst time. Murphy is everywhere on the battlefield.
It also MAY need some breaking in. Right now it does the first two functions fine.
I didn't realize they now come w/ the ACSS.
Looked at MrGNG's vid of this new reticle version IRL and the horseshoe would help w/ speed, but unsure of utility of the rest of the reticle for me w/ astigmatism -- the blurriness of his shot at link is in the ballpark as to how I see red dots at 3x or larger its acutal size (playing w/ power to turn down lowest visible and taking time to judge center of the blur -- it's not a straight line more of a dogleg -- helps significantly at distance but also takes away much of the red dots intrinsic advantages)... https://youtu.be/QU4N34lQGPc?t=452
Beyond 250-300 yards, irons provide me with greater precision, even more so w/ KNS think front sight post installed.
The throw it off is why offset sights for rapid transition if that's a use case you have.
I'm of the opinion that everyone should carry allen key in pistol grip/cleaning kit for any permanently affixed red dot. And if durability is so important, I'd suggest moving up to aimpoint... Both killflash and flip covers available.
I have but do not care for killflashes on red dots. Looking through honeycomb is super annoying, and killflash do nothing to hide direct sight of your illuminated dot.
If ADM makes a QD of similar height, I'd strongly suggest looking there. They're my overwhelming choice for anything QD. Have over a dozen of their QD mounts w/ zero RTZ issues provided optic properly torqued down to mount.
-
An RS Reg lower mount and AKOT upper piece with one of those small 3x ACOGs might be neat. I bet that would be barely longer than the dust cover.
-
An RS Reg lower mount and AKOT upper piece with one of those small 3x ACOGs might be neat. I bet that would be barely longer than the dust cover.
Pretty much, though Brian has said he wants to stick with 2x. Concerning size, here’s an older pic from earlier this year with several of mine. Top to bottom, then left to right:
3x30 TA33
3x24 TA50 (same size as my 2x20 TA47 I showed in earlier post)
1.5x16 TA44
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211229/7194a3fe223df90328bb2556e0c634b9.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211229/11100da6daba8d8ada83d93581171918.jpg)
Just for grins, the TA50 I had was the 7.62x39 BDC model. Worked like a charm!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211229/fd4400a65a9859494f3d0c89b1788c1b.jpg)
-
Got it mounted. Haven't shot it yet.
Optic looks great, especially for the price.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220103/6bc8630d1d6bc63b882c887a43089698.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220103/ad6b20ab62b2cae70c3e1e15c9d081e3.jpg)
Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
-
BTW: my ARMS mount now holds zero in between being detached.
-
BTW: my ARMS mount now holds zero in between being detached.
What changed?
-
BTW: my ARMS mount now holds zero in between being detached.
What changed?
Hey shoot- I don't know. I figure that I 'broke it in'. I'm just glad it references back. I haven't shot it yet, but mounting and dismounting with my cowtiness works. I LOVE the lever on it, but the little square key that fits the Micro is a tad too small and you are relying on the four screws. I may buy another for an AK and its Ultimak.
-
Finally got a chance to shoot today with the PA 2x prism. Took a bit to get zeroed, but was ringing steel at 200 without issue. No issues with "brass" hitting the optic.
Rifle has changed a bit since my last post, now has the MI folding stock, and Samopal trigger upgrade.
Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
-
Finally got a chance to shoot today with the PA 2x prism. Took a bit to get zeroed, but was ringing steel at 200 without issue. No issues with "brass" hitting the optic.
Rifle has changed a bit since my last post, now has the MI folding stock, and Samopal trigger upgrade.
Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
Pics of MI folding stock would be appreciated. Can you use irons with it? Thanks.
-
Finally got a chance to shoot today with the PA 2x prism. Took a bit to get zeroed, but was ringing steel at 200 without issue. No issues with "brass" hitting the optic.
Rifle has changed a bit since my last post, now has the MI folding stock, and Samopal trigger upgrade.
Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
Pics of MI folding stock would be appreciated. Can you use irons with it? Thanks.
Can see irons fine. Mounted on the lower end of the Stormwerkz adapter.
(https://i.ibb.co/2NBP13b/IMG-20220306-154629.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q5w93YZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/j5bHck9/IMG-20220306-154650.jpg) (https://ibb.co/thQ37pw)
-
CZgunner: Thanks much. Looks like a good stock and I like the hinge. The hinge is less obtrusive than the SIG MPX - which when reversed for right hand folding can get in the way a bit for lefties. While you cannot shoot while folded, I'm not all that worked up about that capability. Multiple sling quick detach mounts are welcome - are they anti-rotation?
it MIGHT be a tad higher than the SIG Minimalist, which is a downside for me. Not sure I can tell.
-
CZgunner: Thanks much. Looks like a good stock and I like the hinge. The hinge is less obtrusive than the SIG MPX - which when reversed for right hand folding can get in the way a bit for lefties. While you cannot shoot while folded, I'm not all that worked up about that capability. Multiple sling quick detach mounts are welcome - are they anti-rotation?
it MIGHT be a tad higher than the SIG Minimalist, which is a downside for me. Not sure I can tell.
I'm a lefty, the stock can be installed to fold right or left. I have it folding this way as to not interfere with my optic mount. The reason I use folding stocks is for storage and transport. It is so fast to open, I cannot imagine a scenario where I would want to shoot while folded.
The sling swivels are anti-rotation.
The stock can be adjusted up and down on the 1913 adapter. Like I said, at this height, I can use the irons no problem.
-
Anti-rotation swivels is a VERY nice touch! Being able to lower or heighten the stock on the adapter is also nice - for me essential, because any gun that cannot use the OEM irons (when needed) is useless.
You are very right - having a stock folding on the right is a huge advantage for rails on AK style mounts.
I wish you had posted this up a year earlier. LOL. (Don't think this stock was out then)
ONE of the many problems with buying this type of gear is that UNTIL you mount it up, you really don't know exactly how it will work with you - VZ 58s aren't something you can try out at the LGS - heck - many AK mods are not well understood just watching a video.
-
The stock can be adjusted up and down on the 1913 adapter. Like I said, at this height, I can use the irons no problem.
How is cheek position and stock shooting in the prone? Thanks.
-
The stock can be adjusted up and down on the 1913 adapter. Like I said, at this height, I can use the irons no problem.
How is cheek position and stock shooting in the prone? Thanks.
Army screwed up my back, so I can't shoot prone anymore.
Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
-
Sorry to hear that buddy.
I say this because the SIG minimalist when right folding leaves the knuckle high in the air on the right side which is fine in the prone as you shoot RH. If you go LH you need to be careful.
I also learned something else the other day - a reciprocating CH CAN get in the way in the prone. So... you may not want one.
I do think IF I shot in the prone I'd more than likely shoot RH unless cover dictated otherwise.
-
I am looking at the new Primary Arms SLX 3x micro prism (pre-order available now), or the Vortex Spitfire (3x or 5x) mounted on an RS Regulate for my Draco SBR. Eyes are getting older and this combo looks great...on paper.
-
Put a Rifle Dynamics AK stock pouch on the MI folder. It's not perfect, but adds a bit of storage and feels nicer on the cheek. I'm a lefty and the zipper doesn't bother me.
(https://i.ibb.co/VWB52MZ/IMG-20220314-155142.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nsktzQv)