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GENERAL => A Day at the Range! => Topic started by: Europe on October 07, 2022, 03:08:37 PM
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I just won another match last weekend. I won also general classification at my club for 2022. To some extent competing is kind of surrogate activity. I was 7 points ahead of the second guy and I took a half plastic trophy home. But hey, who cares about that except me?
"Another way in which people satisfy their need for the power process is through surrogate activities. As we explained in paragraphs 38-40, a surrogate activity is an activity that is directed toward an artificial goal that the individual pursues for the sake of the “fulfillment” that he gets from pursuing the goal, not because he needs to attain the goal itself. For instance, there is no practical motive for building enormous muscles, hitting a little ball into a hole or acquiring a complete series of postage stamps. Yet many people in our society devote themselves with passion to bodybuilding, golf or stamp-collecting. Some people are more “other-directed” than others, and therefore will more readily attach importance to a surrogate activity simply because the people around them treat it as important or because society tells them it is important. That is why some people get very serious about essentially trivial activities such as sports, or bridge, or chess, or arcane scholarly pursuits, whereas others who are more clear-sighted never see these things as anything but the surrogate activities that they are, and consequently never attach enough importance to them to satisfy their need for the power process in that way. It only remains to point out that in many cases a person’s way of earning a living is also a surrogate activity. Not a PURE surrogate activity, since part of the motive for the activity is to gain the physical necessities and (for some people) social status and the luxuries that advertising makes them want. But many people put into their work far more effort than is necessary to earn whatever money and status they require, and this extra effort constitutes a surrogate activity. This extra effort, together with the emotional investment that accompanies it, is one of the most potent forces acting toward the continual development and perfecting of the system, with negative consequences for individual freedom"
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Lol... I like how you block your face, but have no regard for the other 2 shooters.
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Lol... I like how you block your face, but have no regard for the other 2 shooters.
Agreed, not a good look.
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Where did the quotation come from? I'd like to look further into the concept.
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Found you! Leather jacket gave you away. Don’t worry I won’t tell anyone.
Nice shooting!
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My problem isn't with competition, it's with competitors.
Not like that.
I mean the attitude some of them have. I enjoy the shooting and being around others who like to shoot. Last time I went to a "competition" it was in the Army. Made the mistake of trying to talk to the guys on either side of me on the firing line - not while firing, but after the cease fire on a stage when we were standing there with the 1911A1's on a table by us waiting for the next stage. One of them just ignored me and the other one got pissed off at me and told me to shut up because he needed silence in order to concentrate. Not sure how you get silence on a firing line of a shooting range. Not sure how you'll find a place/spot when you need to put shooting skills to use where it's calm/quiet/no distractions. I spent an afternoon thinking how odd people can be.
Usually you show some targets. Was this the gun you pulled out of the safe after several years or a new build/caliber?
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What's the point of posting, if you're going to delete your account when someone asks a question you don't like?
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His arrogant attitude wont be missed, neither will his constant proddings of "You need to shoot from 25 meters"
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Found you! Leather jacket gave you away. Don’t worry I won’t tell anyone.
Nice shooting!
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LMAO!! ;D
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Maybe he was worried we'd figure out his true identity and blow his cover.
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Maybe he was worried we'd figure out his true identity and blow his cover.
Lol... yeah, he's probably some kind of "Secret Agent" ;D
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I want to be clear my picture of Liam Neeson was all in jest. I’ve shot long range and have nothing but admiration for the discipline and dedication it takes to win. The OP has posted some great targets and I loved seeing ranges and setups from across the water.
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I thought his picture was just confirmation of being a blockhead !
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ROTFL!!!
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I thought his picture was just confirmation of being a blockhead !
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What's the point of posting, if you're going to delete your account when someone asks a question you don't like?
I was going back through my old posts and this question had never been answered by the original poster.
I had asked where the quotation had come from.
I just searched for it and it is from the Unabomber Manifesto.
It was also quoted by a journalist, Chris Messina and in the Washington Post.
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What's the point of posting, if you're going to delete your account when someone asks a question you don't like?
His arrogant attitude wont be missed, neither will his constant proddings of "You need to shoot from 25 meters"
Maybe he was worried we'd figure out his true identity and blow his cover.
Lol... yeah, he's probably some kind of "Secret Agent" ;D
So they both took their jacks and left. Bizarre.
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My problem isn't with competition, it's with competitors.
Not like that.
I mean the attitude some of them have. I enjoy the shooting and being around others who like to shoot. Last time I went to a "competition" it was in the Army. Made the mistake of trying to talk to the guys on either side of me on the firing line - not while firing, but after the cease fire on a stage when we were standing there with the 1911A1's on a table by us waiting for the next stage. One of them just ignored me and the other one got pissed off at me and told me to shut up because he needed silence in order to concentrate. Not sure how you get silence on a firing line of a shooting range. Not sure how you'll find a place/spot when you need to put shooting skills to use where it's calm/quiet/no distractions. I spent an afternoon thinking how odd people can be.
Usually you show some targets. Was this the gun you pulled out of the safe after several years or a new build/caliber?
The mental game is extremely important to those of us who strive to be competitive as far as our abilities will take us. Visualization is an extremely important part of the mental game (or mental management as Steve Anderson describes his system). Visualization can't be done when someone is trying to talk to the person doing the visualization.
That's what you ran into. The guy who ignored you was probably trying to give you the hint that he didn't want to be bothered at that particular moment with the least amount of distraction to himself (by talking to you). The guy who was rude was rude, but who knows how many times had he been interrupted before.......
If you had approached them after their task/relay/string was done you probably would have gotten a much different reception.
People attend shooting matches with all kinds of motivations. There are those who go to just burn some rounds and be social with zero interest in improving their performance. And there are those who go with the full intention of being as competitive as possible, but also know that they need a little downtime during their stage/relay.
In my sport of choice (practical pistol shooting), I'll periodically get away from everyone in the squad and spend a minute or so visualizing my stage plan, then rejoin the group to talk, paste targets, etc. When I'm "in the hole" (down two spots away from shooting) I'll stop resetting/retaping targets, I'll stop interacting with anyone, and will be alone with my thoughts and visualization. When I'm done shooting, I'll immediately go to my range bag to manage my ammo and take care of any gear issues (cleaning mags/optic/glasses/etc). Then I'll go back to being social and helping reset the range.
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Where did the quotation come from? I'd like to look further into the concept.
Theodore J. Kaczynski, The Unabomber Manifesto: A Brilliant Madman's Essay on Technology, Society, and the Future of Humanity
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/6054976.Theodore_J_Kaczynski?page=4