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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: neil0311 on March 05, 2023, 01:22:12 PM
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I own various handguns and pistols from manufacturers like Sig, S&W, Springfield Armory, Glock, Ruger, PSA, etc.
I wanted a carry sized DA/SA handgun with a good reputation, and while I have a Sig P229, I wanted one with a polymer frame. The CZ P-07 seemed to fit the bill, so I bought one yesterday, cleaned it, and took to the range this morning.
Wow! What an amazing gun. The DA trigger was smooth, and despite having never shot that specific gun or any CZ ever before, it was like I had owned it for years. The sights are a little lacking, but even that didn’t cause me any issues. Two initial mags of 115gr FMJ were all on target.
One question: I noticed some concerns about the firing pin retaining pin breaking when dry firing. Is that a non-issue if you just use snap caps?
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Oh and forgot to mention after 200 rounds, not a single failure of any kind. Fed perfectly. Extracted perfectly. Mag locked back perfectly.
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Congrats on your first CZ, careful though, they tend to multiply.
I don’t use snap caps often but an O-ring over the back of the firing pin works
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The o-ring under the hammer is a good idea. Do that and maintain the gun as you would any other and it will reward you for years to come.
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Congrats on your first CZ, careful though, they tend to multiply.
Yes...but they usually top out about 30 or so.
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Congrats on your first CZ, careful though, they tend to multiply.
I don’t use snap caps often but an O-ring over the back of the firing pin works
Thanks. Any suggestions on what size/type of o-ring? I’ve had hammer fired pistols like 1911s and P22x and haven’t run into that being suggested.
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I bought a NIB P07 back in 2015, kept it for about a year and sold it for some silly reason. I missed that gun so much I re-purchased a new one in 2020. Never letting this one go that’s for sure.
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Thanks. Any suggestions on what size/type of o-ring? I’ve had hammer fired pistols like 1911s and P22x and haven’t run into that being suggested.
I had a pack of O-rings from tire valve caps that worked fine for me.
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Same here. First CZ was a P07 DUTY in .40 S&W. Only thing I have (center fire pistol) is the P09 9MM.
Great guns.
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I own various handguns and pistols from manufacturers like Sig, S&W, Springfield Armory, Glock, Ruger, PSA, etc.
I wanted a carry sized DA/SA handgun with a good reputation, and while I have a Sig P229, I wanted one with a polymer frame. The CZ P-07 seemed to fit the bill, so I bought one yesterday, cleaned it, and took to the range this morning.
Wow! What an amazing gun. The DA trigger was smooth, and despite having never shot that specific gun or any CZ ever before, it was like I had owned it for years. The sights are a little lacking, but even that didn’t cause me any issues. Two initial mags of 115gr FMJ were all on target.
One question: I noticed some concerns about the firing pin retaining pin breaking when dry firing. Is that a non-issue if you just use snap caps?
To answer your question, snap caps will solve the problem, so will an o ring or anything that blocks the hammer from contacting the firing pin. As far as I know, 1911s don’t have a firing pin retaining pin so there is no risk when dry firing them. The 80s series colts have firing pin safety blocks but no retaining pin. I’m not real familiar with Sigs but I couldn’t be happier with my new P07. I had 2 failures to fire early on that im positive were just bad ammo. I look at the bright side, they were opportunities for me to practice clearing malfunctions. I don’t get much of that!
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The CZ P-07 seemed to fit the bill, so I bought one yesterday, cleaned it, and took to the range this morning. Wow! What an amazing gun. The DA trigger was smooth, and despite having never shot that specific gun or any CZ ever before, it was like I had owned it for years.
If you like the P07 that much, then my advice is to not try a P10c.
You might not want to leave the range ! O0
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Glad you are liking the P07. It is an awesome handgun for sure. I can't figure it out exactly, but there is just something about the P07 & P09 that work REALLY good for me. They are just so easy to shoot well.
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I've got to agree with "easy to shoot well" sentiment. Most comfortable pistol I've shot so far. Wife's got her own in ODG and shoots quite well with it .
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Glad yours was a good one, my P07 came with a loose rear sight and gritty trigger. Minor issues and both are corrected now, feels and shoots better than a P320. Stoned and polished the trigger components and now have a CMP legal 4lb service pistol trigger and an debating the CGW short reset trigger kit. (Trigger is easier to work on than both a Tanfoglio and Sig P320)
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The CZ P-07 seemed to fit the bill, so I bought one yesterday, cleaned it, and took to the range this morning. Wow! What an amazing gun. The DA trigger was smooth, and despite having never shot that specific gun or any CZ ever before, it was like I had owned it for years.
If you like the P07 that much, then my advice is to not try a P10c.
You might not want to leave the range ! O0
Zero experience with CZ's polymer pistols but y'all are tempting me....
IF the the CZ poly mags were compatible with w/ metal framed CZs, I'd already own one to several. Currently, my favorite polymer framed DA/SA is Sig's SP2022 that's effectively discontinued... They dropped several hundred new production guns of this model in mid-2022 IIRC and after it was "discontinued" in 2020, but that was the first batch since ~2016 or so IIRC.
By the way it falls in the hand without the decocker bump of metal framed Sigs, I much prefer it. And trigger is nearly, but not quite, equivalent to Sig SRT...
IIRC, the CZ length-of-pull (distance between backstrap and trigger at decocked and cocked) is also slightly longer than Sig's as well...
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My worst shooting plastic framed CZ (P07 9MM) still outshoots my SIG 2022 9MM. Maybe my SIG isn't one of the good ones. ::)
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Personally I am not a Sig fan. I do not like the more vertical grip angle. I have a hard time shooting their firearms. I will still with my P07.
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Zero experience with CZ's polymer pistols but y'all are tempting me....
IF the the CZ poly mags were compatible with w/ metal framed CZs, I'd already own one to several. Currently, my favorite polymer framed DA/SA is Sig's SP2022 that's effectively discontinued... They dropped several hundred new production guns of this model in mid-2022 IIRC and after it was "discontinued" in 2020, but that was the first batch since ~2016 or so IIRC.
By the way it falls in the hand without the decocker bump of metal framed Sigs, I much prefer it. And trigger is nearly, but not quite, equivalent to Sig SRT...
IIRC, the CZ length-of-pull (distance between backstrap and trigger at decocked and cocked) is also slightly longer than Sig's as well...
Both CZC and CGW offer reach-reduction parts that mitigate this issue... ;)
And mags as an excuse?!? Come on man, you can do better than that... I had 35-40 CZ 75 mags before I bought one polymer CZ, but did that stop me? Nah. 8)
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The P07 and P09 mags are cheaper now than they used to be. Abought $10 less. Low to mid $30's.
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Both CZC and CGW offer reach-reduction parts that mitigate this issue... ;)
And mags as an excuse?!? Come on man, you can do better than that... I had 35-40 CZ 75 mags before I bought one polymer CZ, but did that stop me? Nah. 8)
I need to jettison something before taking on another platform... Already stocking over a dozen if not two dozen different pistol mag types and spare parts for various systems.
The reach isn't an issue for me -- more for the Mrs -- so was just noting.
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My worst shooting plastic framed CZ (P07 9MM) still outshoots my SIG 2022 9MM. Maybe my SIG isn't one of the good ones. ::)
The Sig SP2022 was my entry into modern production DA/SA late 2000s or early 2010s -- it was down to that and the CZ P07 or P09 (forget which specifically). And I don't recall why specifically I choose the SP2022, but I think it was something to do with better value (more gun for the $ -- believe SP2022 was a benjamin or so cheaper when on sale), a better out-of-the-box trigger, and a more proven record of durability (either Border Patrol, Army Tank, or France put it through a torture test of something like 50k rounds IIRC). The CZ polymer line had just launched -- and it was actually the Vz58 that brought me to Czech guns/CZs... I *think* there might have been some early reports of some issues with the CZ polymer frames, but I could be mistaken.
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Personally I am not a Sig fan. I do not like the more vertical grip angle. I have a hard time shooting their firearms. I will still with my P07.
As I've gotten older w/ more nagging hand and arm injuries, I have to concur... Rapid fire, I'm shooting my Glocks better and my Sigs worse. CZ and Beretta metal frames are still about the same w/ grip angle falling between these two. Sigs still point much more naturally for me however.
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Funny the SP 2022 came up. My first DA/SA gun was the P99 - excellent guns, but I wanted to go hammer fired - I went SP 2022 because it seemed to have a very good OTB trigger and the trigger guard could easily take a gloved hand. The P07 TG seemed to put my glove too low and ended up binding. Later I got the P07 and decided to wear better gloves. To me they shoot similarly. IF YOU WORK ON THEM, the P07 is capable of a better trigger, but OTB the SP 2022 is usually better.
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IF the the CZ poly mags were compatible with w/ metal framed CZs, I'd already own one to several.
Early on there were compatibility issues between P-07/P-09 magazines and the P-10 series. All that is in the past now as for the last several years the P-10 magazines include the necessary notches to mate up with the current P-10s with reversible mag release, the early P-10Cs with ambidextrous mag releases, and the P-07 and P-07 all the way to the early P-07 Duty.
The P-07 also works with any CZ 75 magazine. They fit a little sloppy from side to side but they latch in the right place and feed just fine.
75 magazines will not fit the P-09 (the mag baseplate hits the bottom of the grip before the notch reaches the mag latch) nor do they work in any version of the P-10.
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IF the the CZ poly mags were compatible with w/ metal framed CZs, I'd already own one to several.
Early on there were compatibility issues between P-07/P-09 magazines and the P-10 series. All that is in the past now as for the last several years the P-10 magazines include the necessary notches to mate up with the current P-10s with reversible mag release, the early P-10Cs with ambidextrous mag releases, and the P-07 and P-07 all the way to the early P-07 Duty.
The P-07 also works with any CZ 75 magazine. They fit a little sloppy from side to side but they latch in the right place and feed just fine.
75 magazines will not fit the P-09 (the mag baseplate hits the bottom of the grip before the notch reaches the mag latch) nor do they work in any version of the P-10.
Great info. Thanks! (But my wife won't thank you... ;D )
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The CZ P-07 seemed to fit the bill, so I bought one yesterday, cleaned it, and took to the range this morning. Wow! What an amazing gun. The DA trigger was smooth, and despite having never shot that specific gun or any CZ ever before, it was like I had owned it for years.
If you like the P07 that much, then my advice is to not try a P10c.
You might not want to leave the range ! O0
Is there any kind of consensus that the p10c is better than the p07?
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Is there any kind of consensus that the p10c is better than the p07?
I would say neither is better than the other. One is striker fired and the other is DA/SA or SAO.
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I would say neither is better than the other. One is striker fired and the other is DA/SA or SAO.
My take is it also depends on intended purpose. I have a P10c&s and a P09. As stated different guns & I have used them in my IDPA games. For me, I’d like a P07 for carry as I like the DA action in a carry gun.
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Just put my first 300 rounds through my brand new OD green P07 and I love it. It shoots every bit as good as my P10 . Infact , while it pains me to say this , I shot as good or better than my cajunized P01 right out of the box
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Is there any kind of consensus that the p10c is better than the p07?
As others have said, there is no way to say which one is better. It's all a personal choice between action types, ergonomics, concealability, etc.
I have both, and I have a hard time deciding which one I like best.
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The P07 even though about the same size as the P10c, it definitely feels and carrys smaller.
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Is there any kind of consensus that the p10c is better than the p07?
I would say neither is better than the other. One is striker fired and the other is DA/SA or SAO.
I've owned multiple copies of both and would concur with this statement. The P10C is a fantastic gun, too, and, if you are a fan of strikers, you would like that one as well. To me, the grip shape of the P10C is just a tad more comfortable. But, despite having a P10C in the safe, it's a P07 that's on the hip today.
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Congrats on your first CZ, careful though, they tend to multiply.
I don’t use snap caps often but an O-ring over the back of the firing pin works
B2V is a member of our local group here in Indy, and he speaks the truth on this. Group shoots often see more than a couple dozen CGW tuned CZs on the tables. BirdsAway was our spiritual group leader and his pistols are still around and we'll respected among group members.
It really is a CZickness.