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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ Center fire Rifles => Topic started by: Unregistered(d) on September 03, 2003, 02:00:19 AM

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on September 03, 2003, 02:00:19 AM

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 Here how it was

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 The bedding of the front side of the action.

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 Stock and acttion of the back side

Question 1 : The space between the stock and the action is so small as you can see and the total fit of the "iron" in the wood is so steady by only doing the front bedding that I thing not to do the back of the action ?????

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 Stock and barrel  with the bedding material between (front)


 
 Oil on the Trigger group ??
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Do you think there must be some oil on the trigger group and Where ??


Thanks for reading

Greeting form Holland

Doublet

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on September 03, 2003, 03:56:15 AM

Do the rear lug (stock bolt) and oil the trigger

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on September 07, 2003, 03:51:12 AM

The Rifle on the picture is form 1991 and looks like type 550.
Because I look for an manual on the internet to adjust the trigger I need the Type.

Hope someone Knows it.

Greetings form Holland

Doublet

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Fred Flinstone on September 16, 2003, 04:41:17 AM

The rear of the receiver should also be bedded since under recoil miniature movement could cause erratic bullet placement. The trigger group should be oiled with a good quality gun oil(where bearing points are) but if shooting in a extremely cold climate I would recommend only powdered Teflon. Your action looks much more like a Brno 600 series(CZ-550 ancestor), what type of trigger do you have? Single blade(set trigger) or conventional trigger?

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on September 20, 2003, 08:02:53 AM

Here a picture of the trigger:

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I do not know how to adjust it but is there an internet side like for the new Cz Rifles ?


Greeting From Holland

Doublet

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on September 21, 2003, 12:46:02 PM

You have a CZ made BRNO 600 series rifle. The single set trigger has an adjustment screw on the side which should not be trifled with unless you know what you are doing. The screw should be coated with with some sort of thread lock to keep them from backing out after adjustment is made. Those single set triggers on the 600 series need to be fitted by the factory or a gunsmith to work properly. I have some owners manuals for those rifles that show the basics of operation as well as extra set trigger groups.

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on September 21, 2003, 12:50:00 PM

Also,you can bed under the rear action but do not bed around it as the stock will most likely split. Good luck on your project.

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on September 29, 2003, 07:28:26 AM

Ladys and Gentleman,

Is the conclusion that the triggergroup as showed on the picture cannot be adjusted ???

Greetings form Holland

Doublet

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Fred Flinstone on September 29, 2003, 06:42:27 PM

These rifles have a trigger which is completely adjustable but it would be a pretty wise investment to send it to a local gunsmith which is familiar with trigger-works.

If you need help otherwise please contact: johnny.arsenault@sympatico.ca  for more details concerning ZKK-600 series

All the best,
-Fred-

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Atlatl on November 08, 2003, 11:13:40 AM

Well the moral of this story is if ain't broke don't fix it, but I went and mucked with the torque on the action screws and my groups opened up (from being sub moa, doh!).  Used an inch-pound torque wrench to apply equal "tightness" to the forward action screw and the back.  In anycase now I'm planning on glass bedding the action.   Any pointers out there from others who have done this previously?  I see from above that other recommend the rear action screw area also - though it would seem easy to gum up the trigger mechanism, got to use care there.  This is on a CZ factory walnut stock too and as in the pics above (on the ZZK 600) there are pillars the front appears to be steel while the rear pillar is aluminum?  .. and it has a split.  Any benefit on replacing these after aftermarket aluminum ones?

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Fred Flinstone on November 09, 2003, 06:23:40 AM

Don't get me bad I've been there also(you feel like kicking yourself). To do a bedding job (you're in business if you have a kid: use his Playdo) or any other maleable temporary putty, yes chewing gum works fine. Form a barrier(filling voids) with the putty where you don't want the resin to go in. As for steel pillars or steel: automaticaly we would think that steel is better but thru an old book I had (thru intensive research) various metal have higher stiffnest and aluminum and berillum are in high command. Use what you can get localy: Home Depot Hardware stores have extruded tubing(no seams) which you can hand cut to proper lenght. The phylosophy here is to give the widest fondation to the receiver area with support extendind under barrel 2 first inches near receiver, idealy the pouring of the resin should be poured in one shot since every pouring makes micro changes to the bedding which are'nt what we're looking for. Usualy excess epoxy squirting out can be wipped out and cleaned with wood alcohol(methyl hydrate) when they have'nt SET yet. Make a test before since every resin system is particular in itself.

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Russ292 on November 17, 2003, 07:13:28 PM

Hi Doublet,

I was reading all the posts and kept coming back to the fact that your images were of the highest quality. Would you share with us the particulars ie camera model used, techniques, lighting? Thanks, Russ

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on December 18, 2003, 11:05:19 AM

Hello Russ,

I have a normal Sony  P 71.
Great cam with many options.
The light can be set on low what is very handy to use.

Greetings form Holland

Doublet

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Davaa on December 21, 2003, 12:22:24 AM

Hello Doublet!
Greetings from Mongolia. I have exactly same rifle as yours except the stock. The stock on my rifle is just plane without foreend tip and whiteline spacers. The wood is very light and soft. I don't know what type of wood it is. Your pictures inspired me to do bedding myself. But I used some cheap epoxy with my own reenforcements like brass shavings and I ended up with huge voids in the bedding. I guess I should redo the bedding. What kind of bedding compound did you use and do you know any sources for replacement stocks. Mine is 1989 BRNO ZKK-600 7x64. What caliber is yours and what kind of scope mounts are those? They look like removable mounts. If they are, how good are they holding up to the zero?
Davaa

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Fred Flinstone on December 21, 2003, 05:19:17 AM

Hi Davaa,

Glad you're with us. The new CZ-550 series stock would fit with minor adjustments, take a magazine-less version or a void will appear on each side of the magazine-well. The type of wood which you have is Turkish walnut & unluckely the new CZ riflestocks are made out of the same wood. It has been rumoured that CZ will take American walnut(darker, denser, less patterning in grain) soon. Some of the old stocks were indeed extremely soft to the point of wondering if the wood was'nt suffering of rot.

If Accuraglass from Brownells is'nt available in your area, you can easily take metallic epoxy(aluminum filler) which is very easy to machine afterwards, and is easily cleanable with wood alcool(methyl hydrate/blue liquid used for fondues). Another alternative is Epoxy putty which is much more controlable & cures extremely fast. But a stronger set-up is acquired by Accuraglass due to longer strands of fiberglass.

What animals are you allowed hunting in Mongolia & how's the local hunting laws?

Happy Holydays,
-Fred-

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Davaa on January 28, 2004, 05:41:29 AM

Fred, sorry for not responding to your questions this long. Local hunters in Mongolia can hunt wolf, wild boar, brown bear and different species of gazelle and deer for a small fee. However the game offered for foreign hunters /I presume you are more interested in/ are the famous Argali, mountain goat Ibex, elk, bear for main trophy plus the animals mentioned above. If need more info I can get them for you.

I have a question from you too. I am planning to order a couple of stocks from Richards Microfit Stocks. One stock is for my BRNO ZKK-600 7x64 rifle with fixed magazine. I sent an email to Richards Microfit Stocks and this is their reply:

....Thank you for your email.  We would be able to manufacture those stocks accordingly.  However, we would need a sample stock to determine the correct barrel contour and action variation that you need stocks for.  Please advise if a sample is available...

I don't have a sample stock to send them. They have ZKK-600 action listed in their list of available action inlettings. So they should have the sample stock. Please suggest what to do in this case. Maybe should I send the photo of my rifle and action or shall I order the stock inletted for CZ-550 Standard lenght action with fixed magazine? I believe they definately have the CZ 550 sample stock. And how much fitting will be required to fit it to a ZKK 600 action? Also what about the barrel contour, does 550 and 600 barrels in same the caliber are same in size? What do you think of the Richards Microfit Stocks in general?
Sorry for asking this many questions.

How can I get the rifle photos that Doublet posted here. Is it no longer available?

Best Regards,

Davaa
Mongolia

Title: Pleas give comment on bedding job and 2 questions ?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on February 13, 2004, 03:14:22 AM

Hello Davaa I have got the pictures somewhere on mine pc I think.
But because of the internetspace I have is not to big I have to get the old pics off once in a time.

But here they are:

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