Post by: xX-IKO-Xx on January 13, 2004, 01:32:55 AM
Does anyone in the U.S. have experience with this cartridge. Draw backs to it, of it. How is the recoil, manageable, comparable to what.. Ammo Availability. If im able to get the ammo for this rifle on a regular bases im might just get it. Its going to be used for ELK, caribou, and Moose in North America and who knows it might go with me somewhere else around the world.
Post by: troublemaker71 on January 13, 2004, 03:38:12 AM
Plus whatever is hiding behind.More optimal loads might be available from other vendors but I noticed Natchez sells S&B 285 grn soft point for $21.06 with slight discount for 10 boxes.
www.natchezss.com/ammo.cf...N=81498114 (http://www.natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=ZYSBA93620&CFID=227396&CFTOKEN=81498114)
I imagine Norma has a wider variety in this caliber. Might try A-Square.
In practical terms probably not a very available round here in North America. But then again that's kind of what gives it some mystique.
I say go for it! Particularly since CZ doesn't make anything in 338 Win. Mag, which is a comparable round.Should be quite good for moose, elk, caribou, brown bear and other large North American game. I've never been to Africa but a bunch of Europeans hunt there and since this is a European caliber I'm sure it's readily available there (in Europe and Africa).
I've never hunt brown bear either, but I've scanned enough ballistics charts to comfortably assess this rounds effectiveness for such game. Should also leave a respectable dent in your shoulder with 35 ft lbs or so of recoil. Some consider this perfectly manageable but I do not.
Hope this helps.
Good luck,
Tristan
Post by: xX-IKO-Xx on January 13, 2004, 04:31:54 PM
Post by: troublemaker71 on January 14, 2004, 01:34:00 AM
Closest comparison I percieve would be with the .338 Win Mag. On average, the 9.3x62 should deliver three or four more pounds recoil in a bolt action compared to the .338, and up to 10 more pounds versus a muzzle-breaked .338. Factory loads in .338 are usually found with up to 250 grain bullets, 9.3x62 with 250+ grains. Of course reloaders can pretty much go heavier or lighter in either caliber.
If you like to shoot big animals with slightly bigger bullets than the next guy, and aren't too particular about recoil the 9.3x62 will be the best choice. Unfortunately I cannot answer your questions about shipping ammo or whether the outfitter stocks odd calibers. Fred Flintstone moderates this forum and could probably give you precise information about shipping to Canada and what's commonly available to hunters travelling north.
When considering .300 Win Mag vs. .338 Win Mag vs. 9.3x62 also consider that the .300 Win Mag typically has a reputation as an excellent long range round due to it's flatter trajectory. Around 400 yards or so the larger calibers typically drop a bit faster, but reloaders can get around this by experimenting with different loads.
Hope this helps.
Again, my advice is kind of general and based on what I've gleaned over the years from these forums and talking to people, so you might want to address your next post to Fred if you need more precise details and stuff. I typically shoot 180 grain .30-06 at moderate range and interpret what I learn about different calibers with that common point of reference, so I'm sort of a Joe-six-pack when talking about the more exotic configurations.
Good luck,
Tristan
Post by: Fred Flinstone on January 14, 2004, 06:26:04 AM
application of new firearm laws put the amount of bond$$$ to transport companies that U.P.S. decided to withdraw from cross-border transport of ammo. Transporters are allowed to transport within the country(how else could the ammo come in). You can cross the border by car without a glitch but don't forget to declare the ammo.A simpler way is to contact your hunting guide and ask him, he'll supply you with info. needed(local ammo availability, or order it from the nearest local smith, etc.) If there's a place where the know hunting it's Alaska, this state(U.S.A.) know what works and what does'nt. Don't forget to degrease, delubricate all metal parts as not to have a seized lock-up due to seized frozen lube.
The idea behind the 9.3 is to punch lots of energy and leaving a big puncture, other cartridges perform better at longer distance but lack the big puncture effect/big punch effect. The .300 Win. is amply enough medicine for moose but in a close quarter encounter with a grizzly I'd be much more at ease with the 9.3. Another shoulder puncher which is worth mentioning for your application would be the .375 H & H(don't go higher than that unless you're thinking African big game) for dangerous North American game. Whatever you do choose a CZ-550 Magnum and not the CZ 550, the CZ 550 is big calibers deliver a vicious quick which is a nice push with the extra weight in the CZ 550 Magnum. But if you like exotic you're left with the exotic cartridge availability.
Hope we're helping you in your decision
Fred
Post by: Atlatl on January 14, 2004, 04:59:24 PM
Regards,
Travis
Post by: Mballistic on January 15, 2004, 12:42:09 PM
If you like different cartridges go for it.
Jeff
Post by: Frank in Montana on January 18, 2004, 05:55:29 PM
The diameter is .366" , the case is slightly larger than a .30-06 case. So case capacity IS a bit more than a standard 06 case. Bullet weights from 231 to 300+ grains are available. Factory ammo here in the USA IS a bit slim, but that will probably change as this round, thanks to CZ chambering it, is becoming more popular. I saw several factory offerings in South Africa in 2000, as its still popular over there.
Nosler makes a 250 ballistic tip and a 286 grain partition. Speer does a 270 gr soft point. Barnes does a few X bullets; 250 and 286 grain. Norma does a few lightweights a 231 and a 232 grain, as well as the traditional 286 grain slugs. Swift also does their A-Frame in 9.3mm.
Cases are available from Norma as well as GRAF's. One can also fireform 9.3x62's from .35 Whelan or even regular 06 brass. Case life is no better or worse than any 06 based round at this operating pressure.
Dies are available from Redding, RCBS and possibly from LEE. I have heard that LEE did a small run for one of the discount houses,possibly GRAFS or MIDWAY. My Reddings have worked flawlessly.
From a 22 or 23 inch barrel the 286's can be driven to 2400+ fps, the 270 Speer to near that and the 250's an easy 2500+ fps . In a world of 3000+ fps hunting rounds these figures appear pretty tame. But the 9.3x62 is IMHO one of those rounds like the 250 savage, ,257 Roberts, 7mm-08/7mm Mauser, .338-06 and a few others that perform much better than their paper ballistics tell us they should.
Why? In a word; "penetration". You have a LONG, slow moving slug of fairly large diameter. It penetrates deep and STRAIGHT, like a .375 H&H. I've shot a lot of game with the 300 grain partitions and Swift A-Frames in the old three seven five. The 286 partitions and the 300 gr .375" are almost identical in sectional density ; .305 vs .307. Hence the deep penetration.
The 9.3x62 will ruin a lot less meat too than most higher velocity hunting rounds.
I have a CZ 550 with the european style stock. Mine shoots VERY well, with 1 1/2" groups at 100 yds with IRON SIGHTS pretty much an average.
Recoil is NOT bad at all. One has to remember that the stock design,butt thickness, cast on/cast off, etc. ALL enter into perceived recoil. Your average M94 hurts worse than a well stocked .30-06 or .300 Win mag. The CZ 550 stock does a good job of mitigating recoil. Recoil velocity is also slow as the bullets velocity is moderate. A PUSH more than a SLAP.
For the recoil shy hunter the 9.3x62 IS a better choice for the big stuff than a .375" as they will probably PLACE their rounds better due to the lighter recoil and muzzle blast.
For the occasional plains game hunt in Africa or a NA game round to be used on the big stuff; elk,moose and the big bears, with proper bullets, it will surely get the job done. I'm talking out to moderate ranges; say 300 yds. Like the .375 its NO long range round but few of us should be shooting at ANY game animal past 300 yds anyway.
FN in MT
Post by: xX-IKO-Xx on January 19, 2004, 01:48:19 PM
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Post by: Watergoat on January 21, 2004, 12:14:13 AM
6.5x55 vs 7x57? Hard to call, I would go with 6.5 based on personal experience. Tack-driving accuracy, negligible recoil make good shot placement easier. Another old caliber that drops game much better than the ballistics numbers would indicate.
Post by: Frank in Montana on January 23, 2004, 01:26:58 PM
The 9.3 is an easy cartridge to handload. Brass is available as are both std and premium bullets. A great round for cast bullets too.
FN in MT
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Post by: Atlatl on February 23, 2004, 05:39:23 PM
375 Holland and Holland Magnum (http://www.theaccuraterifle.com/tarmag_2004_02_issue.html)