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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: Jeep_Nut on August 20, 2023, 08:01:06 AM
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Hey y’all! Looking to improve the D/A pull on my newly acquired ODG P01. Which spring kit would you recommend, MCarbo or CGW?
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i have used Mcarbo its on all my CZs and a few Hks and Sigs. never had an issue and had great results. their videos can be a little hit or miss as they might gloss over something that might take you more time in real life.
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I had CGW install their pro pkg on 3 of my CZs and I installed their ultra lite pkg on my CZ 75b. Very satisfied with all.
To me the ultra lite provides the improved reduced trigger weights, but not the crispness of trigger pull, nor improved trigger movement of the pro pkg. That said, I’m very happy with the ultra lite kit. Cost and ease of installation for the results makes it a winner IMO.
My experience with MCARBO is limited to the spring kit for my Ruger GP100. I had 1 problem with the trigger return spring and ended up using a Wolfe spring instead. I found their video helpful and the end result was a smooth much improved and reliable trigger.
Good luck and keep us informed of your decision and results.
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CGW hands down. MCarbo springs -- and I have them in at least two gun models and roughly a half dozen guns -- appear to be primarily marketing and gimmick, than function and reliability focused... It seems their MCarbo brotherhood (i.e., customers writ large) are their beta testers... And that means -- at least on some gun models -- retailing incredibly light springs that significantly increase chances of negligent discharge.
And I think Galloway's reliability testing of their springs is superior to MCarbo, and CGW's is certainly leaps and bounds improved.
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I've Installed 3 M*CARBO trigger spring kits. 75B, 97B, P-01 Omega. Zero problems. Good reduction in DA/SA. Also polished internals with good results. Smoothness and trigger pull suits me fine.
For the price, the results are excellent. You can spend more at CGW should you choose or spend far less at M*CARBO.
I'm not saying that CGW isn't good. I am saying I don't need them to accomplish my goals.
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I have installed 4 Mcarbo kits in all my 75's years ago without any additional polishing, and IMO, each of those 75s now have a trigger that is comparable to the Shadow 2. Thousands of rounds fired with no problems. For every naysayer, there are 50 that are extremely satisfied, just read the reviews.
CZ 75 Trigger Spring Kit review-stars (4.78 out of 5) 488 reviews
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Just ordered some reduced power springs from CGW for my newly purchased old P07 DUTY.
Used their spring in 4 other P07/P09 guns and three or four CZ75B/P01 model guns with zero issues.
I bought 3 MCarbo kits a year or so back. One - M&P 1.0 full size, one - FNS-C, and one - M&P Shield.
I started with the 1.0 full size. The trigger pull went up 1/2 lb according to my old trigger pull ga. I put the original trigger return spring back in the frame and the trigger pull dropped back down to 5.5 lbs. Maybe my kit had an incorrect M&P 1.0 trigger return spring in it. My other two MCarbo kits are sitting in the shed.
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I have installed 4 Mcarbo kits in all my 75's years ago without any additional polishing, and IMO, each of those 75s now have a trigger that is comparable to the Shadow 2. Thousands of rounds fired with no problems. For every naysayer, there are 50 that are extremely satisfied, just read the reviews.
CZ 75 Trigger Spring Kit review-stars (4.78 out of 5) 488 reviews
All I'm saying is that in my experience, MCarbo doesn't appear to have the consistency and QC (especially for springs) of other suppliers... Don't know anything about spring manufacture, so no idea why.
And I have more confidence in their hard parts (but even here have some minor gripes about their close copies of pre-existing offerings from folks like Tandemkross, Galloway, Tacticool, etc.).
Further -- I also believe that marketing/what sells seems to drive their product offerings, not reliability or a specific product focus. Their price-points have their springs business as a volume sales game, and their gimmicky marketing seems to reflect this.
Don't get me wrong -- I have been and will continue to be a customer of MCarbo, but I think it's a bit of a buyer be aware/go in both eyes open situation, not necessarily a Buyer BEWARE situation though...
Especially since I have seen, on several occasions now, MCarbo doing some censoring/suppression/removal of various customer gripes in both their Brotherhood Forum and their Facebook Group.
Personally, if just a range gun or no other options available, then go w/ MCarbo springs. And feel free to buy whatever else you want there too -- but me for instance, I tend to make MCarbo my last stop for upgrades for those parts not sold elsewhere OR those that are uniquely better or different.
As always, YMMV.
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Just ordered some reduced power springs from CGW for my newly purchased old P07 DUTY.
Used their spring in 4 other P07/P09 guns and three or four CZ75B/P01 model guns with zero issues.
I bought 3 MCarbo kits a year or so back. One - M&P 1.0 full size, one - FNS-C, and one - M&P Shield.
I started with the 1.0 full size. The trigger pull went up 1/2 lb according to my old trigger pull ga. I put the original trigger return spring back in the frame and the trigger pull dropped back down to 5.5 lbs. Maybe my kit had an incorrect M&P 1.0 trigger return spring in it. My other two MCarbo kits are sitting in the shed.
Yes, I have seen some inconsistencies in spring weight and #s different than advertised as well. Have also had some of their springs (specifically supposedly lighter trigger return springs that I think also had bend angles slightly different than OE) induce malfunctions.
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I'm not scared by M*Carbo trigger spring kits. They've functioned reliably with no failures. I'm also unaware that they censor negative comments. I've seen several on their web page by dissatisfied customers.
Try it this way. Buy the M*CARBO trigger spring kits. About 30-40 dollars. Install them. Even if you decided to take them out and go with the CGW products later, you'll have a much better understanding of how your CZ works.
If the M*Carbo kit works for you, you've saved big money. If it doesn't you've lost little money but gained knowledge on the inside of your pistol.
Too often people think you need to buy the big bucks item to do what little buck items can do. Each case is down to the shooter. Spend your money however you want, but don't be afraid to spend less for the same result that suits you.
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I'm not scared by M*Carbo trigger spring kits. They've functioned reliably with no failures. I'm also unaware that they censor negative comments. I've seen several on their web page by dissatisfied customers.
Try it this way. Buy the M*CARBO trigger spring kits. About 30-40 dollars. Install them. Even if you decided to take them out and go with the CGW products later, you'll have a much better understanding of how your CZ works.
If the M*Carbo kit works for you, you've saved big money. If it doesn't you've lost little money but gained knowledge on the inside of your pistol.
Too often people think you need to buy the big bucks item to do what little buck items can do. Each case is down to the shooter. Spend your money however you want, but don't be afraid to spend less for the same result that suits you.
You do you -- that's what YMMV meant above.
I don't scrimp on brakes or tires for my cars -- and springs are largely the equivalent of brakes on a firearm where the cost of upgrading to premium might be 2 times the cost as budget but de minimis big picture. And I say that as a proud frugal/value/bargain shopper because springs keep your much-more-expensive-than-the-springs gun functioning and also help prevent it from self-destructing and given that it's potentially a life-saving tool, so it's a prudent investment.
I'd still run their springs in Sub2ks (as they're the only supplier and that weapon system is their bread and butter -- and I have a newish Sub2k I haven't yet started upgrading with the bulk of that ~$200 budget to go to MCarbo), but the other firearm make I bought springs for from them, I wouldn't if I were to do it over again as other and IMO better options are available and worth the small premium. The last of those purchases was circa 2020 IIRC, and I haven't followed them closely since to say what, if anything, they're up to now regarding policing comments on their digital lawns.
And I say all this regretfully as I like to support veterans, especially Green Berets as I have Army SF as well as SOF veterans in the family, and enjoy the process of making affordable firearms better, so really wanted to be a fan and advocate for them, but that's not where I am. YMMV.
To the OP -- I'd suggest saving for another week or two to get CGW springs over MCarbo if that's what it takes. Good luck.