The Original CZ Forum
GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: Snarlos Halfcock on November 11, 2023, 05:32:02 PM
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Is CZGUNSUSA a scam?
Did I just get ripped off?
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Yep. No credit card option. 'About us' is a bunch of gibberish. You got scammed.
Never use zelle or any other cash apps. Bank Wire transfer? Good grief!
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Sound I got suckered by https;//czgunsusa.com/
(Modified address to prevent incautious people clicking on the link and driving traffic to a spurious website)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mIPYqKFLlU
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Yep.
I get the double dumbass award.
It has been a long since I’ve been duped.
The site looked so legit.
The old lady told me to write “I am a dumbass” one thousand times in a notebook before buying anything online again.
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The old lady told me to write “I am a dumbass” one thousand times in a notebook before buying anything online again.
If it would make you feel any better, we can change your screenname to "Dumbo". O0
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I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you didn't lose too much money. It can happen to the best of us.
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I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you didn't lose too much money. It can happen to the best of us.
Yep. Especially with a few beers.
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I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you didn't lose too much money. It can happen to the best of us.
It was a $400 education. But it is worse than it sounds.
According to the real CZ, person I talked to said that site has been operating for three years that he knows of.
He gets several calls a week, and I got off better than most.
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It was a $400 education. But it is worse than it sounds.
According to the real CZ, person I talked to said that site has been operating for three years that he knows of.
He gets several calls a week, and I got off better than most.
Don't feel too bad. That site looks legit. Next time you know if the payment methods include Zelle and bank wire transfer, then it's likely a scam site.
However, I recall there is a gun shop that accepts a photo of your check as a valid payment method. Sounds sketchy but supposedly they're legit.
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The fact that that site is using CZ-UB's logo to perpetrate fraud should allow them to take legal action to shut it down it. .com domains are controlled by a legit domain registrar, and while not an expert here, I certainly believe there are remedies should CZ-UB choose to pursue them to protect the consumers of it's products...
Heck, even worse-case, somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of what that scam site is stealing would otherwise being going to CZ-UB's revenues, so it's in their interest to pursue it.
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The fact that that site is using CZ-UB's logo to perpetrate fraud should allow them to take legal action to shut it down it. .com domains are controlled by a legit domain registrar, and while not an expert here, I certainly believe there are remedies should CZ-UB choose to pursue them to protect the consumers of it's products...
Heck, even worse-case, somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of what that scam site is stealing would otherwise being going to CZ-UB's revenues, so it's in their interest to pursue it.
They are and do, but it's like whack a mole. It's an issue for other large manufacturers in the industry (Ruger, Beretta, etc.) and other industries as well. Once legal action is started it usually takes months (or longer) for the site to get shut down. And the people running those fraud sites can have another one up in under 48 hours.
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They should still take that site down, with such a legit appearing url address, cz is hurting itself by letting it stay up, pretty crappy from cz to not do much about them. You don't see such things for other gun companies
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It was a $400 education. But it is worse than it sounds.
According to the real CZ, person I talked to said that site has been operating for three years that he knows of.
He gets several calls a week, and I got off better than most.
Don't feel too bad. That site looks legit. Next time you know if the payment methods include Zelle and bank wire transfer, then it's likely a scam site.
However, I recall there is a gun shop that accepts a photo of your check as a valid payment method. Sounds sketchy but supposedly they're legit.
You are probably talking about kygun. They are 100% legit They also except credit cards. They do the check deal to give you a cash discount.
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They should still take that site down, with such a legit appearing url address, cz is hurting itself by letting it stay up, pretty crappy from cz to not do much about them. You don't see such things for other gun companies
You absolutely see this with many other gun companies. I won't name any sites as I don't want to drive traffic to them but this is not a CZ specific problem, it's an internet scammer problem. And the companies do work on getting these sites taken down. However, it's a lengthy process and the non US based organized criminal groups that are largely behind these sites can have a new site up in hours or days. Many have been shut down over the past few years, many more pop up.
This is basically an internet issue. Scam sites have been around nearly as long as the internet and I think that will always be the case. This is not a new phenomenon or specific to CZ or even the gun industry. Unfortunately, the onus is largely on the consumer to be educated in basic internet safety. These types of sites are typically run out of, or run by groups based in, countries with weak law enforcement and/or government and it is extremely difficult to pursue or prosecute them.
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They are and do, but it's like whack a mole. It's an issue for other large manufacturers in the industry (Ruger, Beretta, etc.) and other industries as well. Once legal action is started it usually takes months (or longer) for the site to get shut down. And the people running those fraud sites can have another one up in under 48 hours.
They should still take that site down, with such a legit appearing url address, cz is hurting itself by letting it stay up, pretty crappy from cz to not do much about them. You don't see such things for other gun companies
Every legit business I'm familiar with has folks whose full time job is to protect and enforce their patents and trademarks and copyrights, as failing to do so can void those rights, privileges, and protections in at least some legal jurisdictions.
YMMV.
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I’m just curious….. everyone says CZ should sue or get the site taken down. Just how do you sue an entity in Russia or China, or ………..?????? I’m sure CZ USA doesn’t like it, but it’s the world wide web. Not the laws of the USA web. Just sayin……. We can’t even get telemarketers to stop targeting the elderly ( now AI is being used to mimick voices), how can they ( the gov. Or even private entities) stop rogue websites?
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I’m just curious….. everyone says CZ should sue or get the site taken down. Just how do you sue an entity in Russia or China, or ………..?????? I’m sure CZ USA doesn’t like it, but it’s the world wide web. Not the laws of the USA web. Just sayin……. We can’t even get telemarketers to stop targeting the elderly ( now AI is being used to mimick voices), how can they ( the gov. Or even private entities) stop rogue websites?
I would think you work with domain registrars, which are basically the nonprofit orgs that govern .com, .net, .org, etc., non-country-specific extensions.
Generally speaking, blatant criminal activity is verboten and reason for the dark web. Not a lawyer, but such that are experts in this subject know how to do so expeditiously.
And seriously, someone like Colt who sells their name to put it on all sorts of nonsense like Russian Barnaul Silver Bear knows how to play this game worldwide.
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This problem is everywhere. I'm in the market for a new mountain bike, and I bet 25% of the sites I'm finding are fake.
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I’m just curious….. everyone says CZ should sue or get the site taken down. Just how do you sue an entity in Russia or China, or ………..?????? I’m sure CZ USA doesn’t like it, but it’s the world wide web. Not the laws of the USA web. Just sayin……. We can’t even get telemarketers to stop targeting the elderly ( now AI is being used to mimick voices), how can they ( the gov. Or even private entities) stop rogue websites?
I would think you work with domain registrars, which are basically the nonprofit orgs that govern .com, .net, .org, etc., non-country-specific extensions.
Generally speaking, blatant criminal activity is verboten and reason for the dark web. Not a lawyer, but such that are experts in this subject know how to do so expeditiously.
And seriously, someone like Colt who sells their name to put it on all sorts of nonsense like Russian Barnaul Silver Bear knows how to play this game worldwide.
I was thinking the same thing, the real cz can prove pretty easily this one isn't legit. I don't expect them to stop them all, but with such a legit looking name, people get scammed way easier