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GENERAL => Cajun Gun Works => Topic started by: liv4spd on October 28, 2024, 07:32:16 AM
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I heard many good words about the CGW upgrades, claiming that it is a different gun after installing the CGW package. What exactly are different?
Smooth actions, or lighter triggers, etc.? Thanks
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Smooth actions, or lighter triggers, etc.?
D. All of the above !
And, they are simply all-around good people to deal with.
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I’m a huge fan of CGW. They performed their Pro package on 3 of my metals CZs- simply amazing transformation of the trigger.
I also installed their ultra lite kit on my 75b stainless and P07. I’m impressed by the ultra lite kit, as it reduces the trigger pull substantially but it doesn’t reach the standard of the pro package that reduces trigger pull, improves reset, makes the trigger crisp.
Overall you can’t go wrong w/ CGW
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I also have three Pro package - Shadow 2, SP-01, and P-01. The largest improvement was the Shadow. The stock wasn’t smooth. I tended to pull shots to the left anticipating. Plus trigger was heavy - about 8 lbs DA and 3.7 SA. Afterwards the trigger was perfect - 5.7 DA and 2.7 SA and without any hesitation in the action.
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Call me weird, but one of the main reasons I prefer DA/SA guns is my love for the heavy trigger. Now, I'm not sure if I should get CGW upgrades at all.
Smooth actions, or lighter triggers, etc.?
D. All of the above !
And, they are simply all-around good people to deal with.
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Call me weird, but one of the main reasons I prefer DA/SA guns is my love for the heavy trigger. Now, I'm not sure if I should get CGW upgrades at all.
Smooth actions, or lighter triggers, etc.?
D. All of the above !
And, they are simply all-around good people to deal with.
CZ's are accurate and reliable as they come so then if you are satisfied with your gun(s) as they are then you leave them alone. The upgrades are available to those of us who want something more and they take these guns to a higher level. Much like modding a car or motorcycle or anything else that one would want more performance from.
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Smooth actions, or lighter triggers, etc.?
D. All of the above !
And, they are simply all-around good people to deal with.
CZ pistols don't need any improvements. They perform well stock. If you want to spend lots of $$$ of needless upgrades, go for it. I'd rather put my money into more ammo.
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CZ pistols don't need any improvements. They perform well stock. If you want to spend lots of $$$ of needless upgrades, go for it. I'd rather put my money into more ammo.
Some models are excellent out of the box. They have these upgrades already and their price reflects that. Some models are striker fired and have excellent triggers out of the box. The original 75series has a Service grade trigger because that is how they were designed decades ago. Upgrading these models with CGW or CZC parts or having them upgraded will definitely improve them by leaps and bounds. You’re right they do work but once you try a modified gun you’ll have a hard time being satisfied with old Betsy.
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Someone mentioned that I could also just get the disconnector, lifter arm, and extended firing pin. That way, I can maintain my trigger pull. Does that sound about right?
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Someone mentioned that I could also just get the disconnector, lifter arm, and extended firing pin. That way, I can maintain my trigger pull. Does that sound about right?
You haven't mentioned what exactly you want to improve so it's hard to say what you could or should do. You can reduce the trigger reach by up to 5mm by installing the reach reduction kit. You can also shorten the reset with the short reset kit. Neither of which will change the SA or DA pull weight.
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Thanks. My goals are:
1. Smoother actions
2. Shorter resets
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CZ pistols don't need any improvements. They perform well stock. If you want to spend lots of $$$ of needless upgrades, go for it. I'd rather put my money into more ammo.
I assumed the same thing until I tried someone’s else’s Cajunized Shadow 2. I traded back and forth between my stock and theirs for about 50 rounds with each. The difference was amazing and definitely worth it to me.
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Is it worth it? Absolutely. Super crisp and light trigger, shorter reset, hammer and trigger just feel much more high end. The lighter decocker spring makes a noticeable difference in decocking too.
Is it worth it to DIY? In my opinion, no. It was a total pain and the whole time I was worried I would bleep something up. It turned out fine but CGW really doesn’t charge that much for the install. I would let the pros handle it next time. I had a lot of fun installing an M carbo kit and polishing my P09, but the CGW kit is straight up tedious to DIY.
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Is it worth it to DIY? In my opinion, no. It was a total pain and the whole time I was worried I would bleep something up. It turned out fine but CGW really doesn’t charge that much for the install. I would let the pros handle it next time. I had a lot of fun installing an M carbo kit and polishing my P09, but the CGW kit is straight up tedious to DIY.
Well it just depends on your comfort level and mechanical ability. Many here have done the kits themselves with great results. I've done the full CGW Pro Package on 7 of my metal framed guns 6 of which are decockers. You also learn from doing and that is worth every minute spent.
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I think I will order the kit minus the springs. I like heavy triggers :-)
Can't imagine CZ handguns are great, except that they need upgrades right from the factory.
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Can't imagine CZ handguns are great, except that they need upgrades right from the factory.
Thing is it's a matter of wanting upgrades not needing them and many of us like upgrades. Maybe look around and see how many different aftermarket parts are available for the multitude of firearms out there. Really it's an easy concept to understand.
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Can't imagine CZ handguns are great, except that they need upgrades right from the factory.
There is need and want, 2 different things. I felt my PCR was good right out of the box, sent it to CGW and it went from good to great.
Did it Need it NO, Did I want it YES.
[Mods corrected quote]
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My guns are for self defense purposes, instead of for competition. As a result, my rule of thumb is to only upgrade a gun with genuine parts from the manufacturer, unless the upgrade is exceptional. In the CGW case, my worry is that the weaker spring will degrade with time and fail to fire the primer in the future.
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In the CGW case, my worry is that the weaker spring will degrade with time and fail to fire the primer in the future.
I use the 15lb hammer spring in all my CZ's. They ALL have north of 10,000 rounds fired and the one I carry the most has north of 30,000 rounds fired at this point. I fully trust them to fire when needed. Springs of any type can be considered wear items and if you're concerned about them weakening they can be replaced at regular intervals. OEM factory parts wear just the same as aftermarket parts and you should know that like everything else manufactured today gun companies procure things like springs from secondary sources.
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I'm not talking about the materials of these parts.
Imagine it takes 10 inch lb to ignite a primer, and the company spring is capable of delivering a 20 in lb blow, well above the threshold, but an aftermarket one is only capable of 12 inch lb. Both will ignite the primer, but there is only one solid one you can dependent on.
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There are primer brands known to be very soft such as Federal and brands known to be pretty hard such as CCI. The idea as with all other aspects is to tune the hammer spring in that you find the lb rating that fires everything reliably. Just because a spring is rated lighter does in no way mean it is or will become unreliable. You find what works with your combination.
15lb hammer springs work perfectly in my CZ's and I've not had any issue with them.
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Cajun gunworks takes an already great pistol and makes it better.
Smoother ,shorter reset , lighter trigger. It’s all about what you are wanting from your pistol. To start with ..the biggest improvement you can get is. LOK grips palm swell bogies .
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Bought a P09C. Double action equated to 11lbs approximately. Single action ok. Debated what would be the way to go. Ended up I just ordered the Pro Pack. Measured the factory roller prior to ordering it was .215. Email support was told to order .220.......it was closest.
Long story short.....installed everything (roller .220) but the optional sear springs left factory in. Let me say I polished nothing. I did relieve the trigger bar spring some. Double action 6lb 10.7oz over 5 pulls.........single action 2.6lbs. Short reset and reach is much better. I might return to stock trigger return spring.
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Can't imagine CZ handguns are great, except that they need upgrades right from the factory.
Using this thinking we can see that...
Upgrades are available for every gun sold today. Therefore, there must be no 'great' guns.
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My guns are for self defense purposes, instead of for competition. As a result, my rule of thumb is to only upgrade a gun with genuine parts from the manufacturer, unless the upgrade is exceptional. In the CGW case, my worry is that the weaker spring will degrade with time and fail to fire the primer in the future.
Your right. As the factory puts them together they serviceable duty pistols. I like P07/09/09c/09f as an overall battery of arms. Hammer fired, decocker, polymer, and capacity. I just felt the double action was a little stiff (11+ lbs) out of the box. I made the trigger pull shorter along with the reset.
Litigation creates some of the items we are discussing. I didn't want to wait 1000 rounds for the pistol to "break" in. So for less than the price of a cheap 2011 I have a pistol that can be abused on a daily.
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CGW provides 4 key sevices that differentiate them from competition : Parts and technical how to information for DIY'ers, on line technical counsel, upgrading sevices and new upgraded pistols. Their services are of particuliar value to new CZ owners who buy the lower end Omega triggered CZ models which really need a sow's ear to silk purse trigger action performance make over.
My personal experience was with a used CZ P07 which had a heavy DA trigger , A soft spongy SA trigger, and a tough to rack slide. Looked good in the gun shop but was a dog actual performancewise. Took a lot of personal counsel, the written how to's, upgrade parts, and persistence to get it's performance close to a good Sig DA/SA pistol.
The cons, from my perspective, on having a CZ is common parts availability shotages.
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My last 2 pistols sent to them had the pro package installed and the barrels cRn coated. The ramps were coated and would not feed at all. I returned them and they polished the ramps to remove the coating which corrected the problem.
How can you send a firearm in for upgrades to have the best possible self-defense weapon and they don't even test fire it. To me that was unacceptable. And don't let them tell you they can DLC an aluminum frame. I know first-hand that they can't. With that said the trigger was nice even though the front sight which CGW replaced fell off my sp-01 after about 20 rounds.
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And don't let them tell you they can DLC an aluminum frame. I know first-hand that they can't.
I don’t know where you got that. CGW’s site has said for a long time they can’t. From their page
What can DLC be applied to?
Although some places do offer DLC for aluminum, we only coat steel or stainless-steel parts. DLC is suitable for frame, slide, barrel, controls, and internals.
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My last 2 pistols sent to them had the pro package installed and the barrels cRn coated. The ramps were coated and would not feed at all. I returned them and they polished the ramps to remove the coating which corrected the problem.
How can you send a firearm in for upgrades to have the best possible self-defense weapon and they don't even test fire it. To me that was unacceptable. And don't let them tell you they can DLC an aluminum frame. I know first-hand that they can't. With that said the trigger was nice even though the front sight which CGW replaced fell off my sp-01 after about 20 rounds.
I'd like too see some pics and proof of these claims. I find it interesting that you claim a front sight "falling" off when those sights are pinned in place. The pin not only holds the sight but also retains the barrel bushing.
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I'd like too see some pics and proof of these claims. I find it interesting that you claim a front sight "falling" off when those sights are pinned in place. The pin not only holds the sight but also retains the barrel bushing.
I would too. Pics or it didn't happen.
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[M]y worry is that the weaker spring will degrade with time and fail to fire the primer in the future.
All springs will degrade with time and eventually fail. That's why part of pistol maintenance is the periodic replacement of springs. To my knowledge, CZ has not published a detailed maintenance schedule, but SIG Sauer has, which can be used as a surrogate. There's nothing preventing you from changing your springs at a more frequent interval if that makes you comfy.
To compensate for the lighter hammer strikes their upgrades produce, doesn't CGW provide an extended firing pin? Presumably, the extension isn't long enough to defeat the firing pin block.
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how do I post pictures?
I have pictures and invoices from CGW showing dlc on a p-01
And pictures of the front sight falling out.
Someone please instruct me on sending pictures.
David was the one who told me dlc could be applied on a p-01 frame even though the website says it doesn't.
Daniel was my inside contact guy (good guy).
The gunsmith was an intern I learned after reading his bio. I don't want to call him out by name
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how do I post pictures?
Look at “Important Information” under “Welcome to CZ Forums” on the home page
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I recently installed the Pro Package on my P-09. Slow going for me, but dang if it hasn't been worth every penny I spent. Simply fantastic to shoot.
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how do I post pictures?
I have pictures and invoices from CGW showing dlc on a p-01
And pictures of the front sight falling out.
Someone please instruct me on sending pictures.
David was the one who told me dlc could be applied on a p-01 frame even though the website says it doesn't.
Daniel was my inside contact guy (good guy).
The gunsmith was an intern I learned after reading his bio. I don't want to call him out by name
Sounds like you want to post photos of your problem pistol and have a "trial by Oprah" here on CZF before you talk to CGW. That's not going to happen because it's the improper way to do business and that's not the way friends treat friends.
Instead, you call and email photos to CGW showing them what went wrong, AND THEN give them time to fix it. You'll only need to mail back the slide, so it's going to be fast and easy.
Although your issue is VERY unfortunate and we highly sympathize, these things happen to the best of gunsmiths. React like an adult and give them time to rectify the issue. You'll find that when you treat people correctly, they will respond in kind.
CZF will not host, nor will we be a party in any way to a spiteful smear campaign of a respected vendor that's severed our CZ Community for a decade. All that will come of something like that is that your post AND membership will be immediately and permanently erased. That's simply a statement of fact, my friend.
Please do the right thing.