Post by: angus hobdell on February 04, 2005, 09:31:33 PM
Well it was a hammer that could be fitted to the Springfield PA (Tangfoglio) and it made the trigger break so much much better. Well CZ have re invented the wheel. I fitted one of these new hammers, A to the CZ97B project gun and B to a CZ75B Compact. and all I can say is WOW. What a complete difference with little or no other work. Well the DA still needed a little.
The Fiber Optic front sight for standard height rear sight are also available. The higher version for the Competition Rear will be along soon
QUSTIONS.....
ghostholster.com/cz_home.htm (http://ghostholster.com/cz_home.htm)
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 04, 2005, 11:40:55 PM
CZ-USA is still weeks away from having single action triggers in stock.
Angus, any idea when these items will ship? Is everything in stock?
Post by: CZJedi on February 05, 2005, 07:53:35 AM
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 05, 2005, 11:12:21 AM
(http://ghostholster.com/cz_folder/new_product_images/cz_sada_ham_lg.jpg)
CZ Competition hammer - $49.95
(http://ghostholster.com/cz_folder/new_product_images/cz_saonly_ham_st_lg.jpg)
IPSC Standard hammer - $49.95 (It's wider)
(http://ghostholster.com/cz_folder/new_product_images/cz_sa_trigger_lg.jpg)
Trigger 39.95 - note the two adjustment screws
(http://ghostholster.com/cz_folder/new_product_images/cz_comp_rs_lg.jpg)
Competition rear - 38.95
(http://ghostholster.com/cz_folder/new_product_images/cz_comp_fs_lg.jpg)
Competition front - 20.95
(http://ghostholster.com/cz_folder/new_product_images/cz_fo_fs_st_lg.jpg)
Fiber Optic front - 29.95
Post by: iron9 on February 05, 2005, 05:15:38 PM
The fiber optic sight locks like the one I bought from Rezek in CZ. The fibers measures roughly 2 mm in diameter. Is it the same? I sure would need some spare fibers. Do you sell any? I haven't managed to locate this thickness anywhere.
Thanks!
Johnny Nilsson
Post by: angus hobdell on February 06, 2005, 08:01:37 PM
Post by: SIGarette on February 06, 2005, 11:08:59 PM
1) Is the fiber optic front sight compatible with the competition rear sight (i.e. proper height and width)?
2) You mentioned EGE hammer (did you mean EGW hammer?). EGW makes a replacement sear for the CZ-75. Do you have any experience with this sear? Do you have an opinion on it as a suitable modification to the CZ-75?
3) Is the competition hammer a drop in part, or does it really require more subtle adjustments and "fitting" by a pistolsmith?
Thanks
Post by: iron9 on February 07, 2005, 02:34:15 AM
See you!
Johnny Nilsson
Post by: pevadijk on February 07, 2005, 04:20:31 AM
BTW, do I only have to install the new trigger to get it into single-action only mode, or is there more to do?
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 07, 2005, 12:07:35 PM
Just wow.
So I ordered my parts late on Friday night.
I had some questions for the man but I didn't really expect any answers on the weekend.
Angus sends me an email the next day, answering all my questions. Then he does the work of filing the front sights to match my guns on Sunday. One for a CZ 85 Compact, another for a 97B, the third left stock for my future SP-01.
I just got an automated email saying that my parts have been shipped. I ordered late on Friday night and Angus shipped it Monday morning with customized parts, including the steel SA triggers that CZ can't seem to get in stock.
Post by: angus hobdell on February 07, 2005, 07:26:44 PM
The FO FS we have at the moment is too low for the Competition rear but the width is good, if you want to shoot about 3" high then it will work. We are working on getting the higher FO front sights. Which are only about 1.0mm higher
2) You mentioned EGE hammer (did you mean EGW hammer?). EGW makes a replacement sear for the CZ-75. Do you have any experience with this sear? Do you have an opinion on it as a suitable modification to the CZ-75?
Yup typo EGW, both their sear and their hammer when they had it were awesome parts, but they were intended for the other CZ (P9 Tanfoglio clone) so I do not have any experience putting them in the CZ guns, anyone else?
3) Is the competition hammer a drop in part, or does it really require more subtle adjustments and "fitting" by a pistolsmith?
I wish gunsmithing were that simple. I am not sure that here really is a "Drop In" part when concerned with sears, hammers and above all the overall safety of the gun. We always recomend that a gunsmith install ANY AND ALL. Custom parts. (Well maybe not sight)
Safety above all
Post by: toddrod on February 08, 2005, 02:23:21 AM
Any other suppliers of 1.5mm FO filaments. I do not remember seeing that size before.
Post by: angus hobdell on February 08, 2005, 10:12:32 AM
I have it but not i the store yet
Another thing I still have to get to.
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 11, 2005, 12:49:57 AM
I got my parts and put them in my CZ 85 Compact. Stupid Virginia has a 1 gun every 30 day limit so my FFL dealer has my 97B in his gunsafe. This blows.
Anyway, the parts went in smoothly. I was forced to remove the firing pin safety because the competition hammer has a very small engagement window that doesn't allow the firing pin safety to actuate in time. Eh. No loss. It's a range gun.
Two issues that I ran into.
One of the rear sights seemed oversize. The second one went in without a burp but the first one I tried absolutely got chewed up by the slide slot. I guess it's better that the sights are made of a softer metal than the slide, but it got tore up pretty bad. Can I send it back for you to look at?
The second issue I can probably fix with a trip to Home Depot. One of the set screws in one of the triggers is missing. Got any laying around?
I can't wait to get to the range, the trigger/hammer is soooooo sweet and light. Here's a pic of the gun with your parts installed:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/Sanger00verdun/CZ85CompactwithOmegaWalnutGrips.jpg)
Post by: angus hobdell on February 12, 2005, 10:49:10 AM
These sight are EDM wire cut, and should therefore be almost identical I would be more inclined to think the slide cut was different.
If the part is tight it may need a little fitting not just whacking in with a mallet. That is why it says on the site some fitting maybe required. We cannot be aware of every sight cut size.
Sorry about the missing screw that was an oversight.
The firing pin block can be made to work with some careful filing you have to alter the release point of the firing pin block.
It may also ne necessary to remove metal from the thumb safety bar and / or the sear to make the thumb safety work correctly.
IF IN DOUBT SEEK A GUNSMITHS HELP FITTING TRIGGER PARTS.
ALWAYS CHECK ALL SAFETIES AFTER WORKING ON THE TRIGGER MECHANISM
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 12, 2005, 11:54:57 AM
I used a sight press and the sight that did fit went in without a complaint. The sight that got chewed up though, it took metal off both the front and back of the sight dovetail. I will be more careful of the next ones.
I had to take a little metal off the sear to get the thumb safety to fit and it's working very well. Having messed with the gun for a couple of days, I think I can get the firing pin safety to work. I was trying for too tight of a window for the SA trigger and realized that I wasn't gettng a clean release on the sear or complete reset. With those adjustments made correctly, I think there is enough range of motion for the firing pin safety to actuate.
And I totally agree that anyone who isn't very mechanically adept/experienced would best be advised to seek the services of a qualified gunsmith. For me, working on guns is as satisfying as shooting them.
Thanks again for all the help.
Post by: angus hobdell on February 12, 2005, 01:26:11 PM
I love to tinker with guns.
Someone asked if there was anything that I have taht is standard and of course the answer is YES but I still love to make "adjustment"
I will send you out new rear sight and screws Monday
Angus
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 12, 2005, 02:51:27 PM
This is fun.
Post by: angus hobdell on February 13, 2005, 12:03:14 AM
Use my angus@ghostholster.com
Thanks
Post by: Matthew Mink on February 14, 2005, 08:42:28 AM
Post by: angus hobdell on February 14, 2005, 10:57:15 AM
Aside from the great job Matt.
Post by: atblis on February 17, 2005, 03:34:27 PM
Post by: pevadijk on February 18, 2005, 01:30:54 AM
Sometimes the triggerbow gets locked in it's downward position and it comes back up when I fiddle with the firingpin safety lever......so I guess that I have a little bit of filing and polishing to do
The safety lever was locked when I installed the hammer and trigger, but after I removed a bit of metal from the safety lever, it now works but not as smoothly as is was.....so maybe this needs some works too.
The funny thing is, that everything works OK when I release the slide with the slidestop, so I guess the triggerbar comes back in it's upward position, but when I gently let the slide ride forward it's sometimes gets stuck.........
First I do some shooting and see how it works, because I'm a bit afraid that I remove too much metal, when I do more fitting......and what the hell, fiddling with my toys is fun too!
Post by: atblis on February 18, 2005, 09:26:40 AM
Post by: Unregistered(d) on February 18, 2005, 09:58:15 AM
Post by: atblis on February 18, 2005, 12:02:03 PM
The sear just sounds like it needs fitted to the safety (not hard). You've just got to be careful not to remove too much metal as there's no going back. Personally I'd rather remove metal from the sear than the safety lever itself.
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 18, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
You need to take some metal off the front facing surface at the bottom of the firing pin safety block lever.
You can check for function with the sear group in place and hammer back by pushing on the trigger bow. If it get's stuck down, it's not moving forward enough (BTW, back out the front set screw on the trigger while doing this) to clear the block lever. Once the gun's functions 100%, then you can start playing with the front set screw.
Realize that the more you tighten the front screw, the more you have to take off the sear group where it meets the trigger bow.
The whole trigger reset function is predicated on the sear and safety block. The trick to shortening the trigger travel while still actuating the safety block lever rests in removing just enough, but not too much. I can now see why the IPSC Standard and the Champion do not have the firing pin safety. Much easier to get superior performance without having to balance the second sear group lever.
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 18, 2005, 12:21:46 PM
Post by: pevadijk on February 18, 2005, 03:29:51 PM
Post by: angus hobdell on February 19, 2005, 09:40:21 AM
I need to come up with a jig to file the saftey to the correct spot?
Angus
Post by: atblis on February 19, 2005, 01:03:48 PM
Post by: pevadijk on February 19, 2005, 02:44:01 PM
The crispness of the trigger now comes very close to my P210 and the takeup and creep is completely gone!
The fitting of the firing pin took some time, but it works fine now....thanks 'sanger00verdun'!!!
Fitting of the safety was harder than I thought, because I ruined one
I wanted to have it 'click' as light as it was, but I went to far and it became unsafe.......when I pulled the trigger hard with the safety on, it went off when I released it!
Now I have the new one fitted, but when you put the safety 'on', you can feel that it actually blocks the sear on the last piece of movement, but I guess I leave it like this
Post by: atblis on February 19, 2005, 05:40:50 PM
Post by: angus hobdell on February 19, 2005, 11:14:48 PM
Matbe the sear should be next?
The sear is definitly the cheaper (from CZUSA) part. and the more likly to be in stock I called for ambi SA safeties and Mike did not have any.
So be aware.
Post by: atblis on February 20, 2005, 08:11:45 AM
Post by: angus hobdell on February 20, 2005, 09:35:59 AM
Post by: Possumtrot on February 20, 2005, 11:22:50 AM
Post by: pevadijk on February 20, 2005, 12:32:26 PM
I've shot 100 rounds with my Kadet kit, without any faults, but when I fired 50 9mm's I had 3 shots where the trigger just clicked, but touching the trigger released the trigger bow and firing pin safety, so it's almost right.
I'm thinking now about firing a few hundred rounds more and polish the firing pin safety contact point to a mirror finish or should I trim it a bit more?
I'm afraid a shortening it to much, since the distance that the trigger has to move, before it fires is very very short.........
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 20, 2005, 04:37:25 PM
Be careful when shortening the block lever because you could get it to the point where it won't raise the firing pin block enough before the sear releases the hammer.
Once you've achieved 100% function, loctite the trigger screws.
Post by: pevadijk on February 21, 2005, 03:42:18 AM
I've loctited the overtravel screw on the point that the sear fully releases the hammer without any drag, so that should be OK.
Maybe the block lever has a little rough spot, so I'll check that again and maybe I have do to same polishing......but I'm quite careful about some more filing........
Or maybe I just remove the firing pin block from the slide!
I use my gun just for fun and competition shooting, so I really don't care about this feature........and when I look at the exploded view drawings, I think it can removed just by removing the crosspin from the slide, am I right?
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 21, 2005, 11:07:42 AM
For me, I kept the safety in. Yeah, the chances of dropping it on a hard floor at just the right angle to hit the hammer is pretty darn slim, and when you consider that CZ's race guns, and pre-B 75's and 85's don't have it, it makes it's value even more dubious, but...
Always that 'but'.
Post by: pevadijk on February 22, 2005, 02:19:29 PM
Post by: pevadijk on February 23, 2005, 02:28:10 PM
Next weekend there's a match where I want to use it, so I want to make sure it works like it should......
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 23, 2005, 03:47:57 PM
Post by: angus hobdell on February 24, 2005, 09:46:02 AM
All this talk about it should be recorded.
Sang you want to write about it for me and I will add it to the web site?
Kinda like My imprsession and how I fitted. Sort of thing?
Post by: sanger00verdun on February 25, 2005, 11:37:44 AM
Heck Angus, I'll do you one better. I get my 97B on Monday and I'll do the whole thing and include pictures this time. Put me on the list for a new safety if you get that worked out with CZ.
Post by: pevadijk on February 25, 2005, 12:05:54 PM
But is there also coming a new safety to use with the new hammer, or didn't I understand Sang's post correctly?
BTW, a 'racepedal' safetylever would be nice and something I might want for my 75B and if it would be pre-fitted for the competition hammer, it would be even better.
But don't tell my wife that I want more toys and gizmos
And Angus, are there anymore custom-items you're breeding on?
Post by: angus hobdell on February 25, 2005, 06:54:23 PM
Thumb safety is next project I started cutting on some stuff yesterday but the angles are kinda difficult to work with I will do more with this when I am in the factory mid march they have more parts to butcher then I do
I have some other ideas, and as they come along we will see what transpires.
Watch this space
Post by: Anthony Lombardo on February 28, 2005, 09:23:59 PM
I would buy 2..
Post by: angus hobdell on March 01, 2005, 10:02:33 PM
I have a welded up safety for my champion which of course is not legal in USPSA IPSC yet but if the fctory make one for me.
All I can say id keep giving the idea and we will see what we can do.
I am going to start an ideas thread right now.
Post by: ipsc1 on March 02, 2005, 08:40:38 AM
thanks,
cliff meek
Post by: angus hobdell on March 02, 2005, 09:56:28 PM
Here is our problem
Quote
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19. Original parts and components offered by the OFM as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific model handgun on the IPSC approved handgun list are permitted, <snip>
Post by: n-1911-TERRY on March 03, 2005, 11:03:54 PM
Will your your CZ competition rear sight and fiber optic front sight fit without modification on my CZ75 Retro? Or will the front sight ave to be higher?
Post by: LDD on March 04, 2005, 09:44:09 PM
Post by: sanger00verdun on March 05, 2005, 12:46:45 PM
Post by: LDD on March 07, 2005, 10:47:20 AM
Post by: sanger00verdun on March 07, 2005, 05:15:57 PM
Post by: n-1911-TERRY on March 13, 2005, 04:12:00 PM
Is your fiber optic front sight available for the cz 40 B slide?
Post by: angus hobdell on March 15, 2005, 08:42:29 AM
MAybe dawson has something that could be modified to fit.
Post by: dvsnse on March 15, 2005, 09:49:39 AM
Post by: Jeff Bergquist on March 15, 2005, 10:23:58 AM
Jeff
Post by: dvsnse on March 15, 2005, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: n-1911-TERRY on March 15, 2005, 08:03:37 PM
Are you saying that both the front and rear sight dovetails are the same as the Colt Defender?
Post by: Jeff Bergquist on March 15, 2005, 08:09:28 PM
Jeff
Post by: nanyah on March 28, 2005, 02:36:19 AM
Thx
Post by: angus hobdell on March 28, 2005, 03:12:51 AM
Post by: nanyah on March 28, 2005, 12:09:59 PM
(wanted to here it from you also)
Thx
Post by: sanger00verdun on March 28, 2005, 01:22:49 PM
Post by: Possumtrot on March 28, 2005, 04:35:41 PM
Post by: sfinney on April 26, 2005, 09:53:39 PM
Any chance we could get any hardened sears in the future as the next CZ OFM parts, or I'd LOVE to see a DA/SA trigger with an internal overtravel screw of some sort...
?Post by: sanger00verdun on April 27, 2005, 08:32:29 AM
What would really be great is if they'd cut the angles on both of those items for a drop-in trigger job.