Post by: Garson on March 15, 2007, 10:31:26 PM
It?s so accurate and user friendly I can?t be happier with it.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/DSC05420a-1.jpg)
But when I cleaned my TS after range I found the polymer guide rod was teared a bit.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%20guide%20rod/CZTSguiderod150rds.jpg)
Is this normal and did it happen in your TS?
Thanks for your response.
-Garson
Post by: rfsignals on March 16, 2007, 12:01:30 PM
Joe G.
Post by: Virginia Jake on March 17, 2007, 06:42:00 AM
Your recoil spring may be too weak! I think that the slide may be coming back an smashing the head of the poly guide rod. Contact CZ USA and confirm this. They may want to have your recoil spring back for testing. (I don't think that they will want the whole pistol.
That being said. Did you get some spare parts inside of your blue CZ Tactical Sport Box? They may have been some "shock buffs" in the spare parts. The plastic buffers are meant to take the crushing punishment of major power factor loads with out having to "over spring" or add a much heavier recoil spring.
If you have the shock buffers, you might want to side one down over the guide rod, put the recoil spring back on the guide rod, re assemble the pistol and test fire it twenty five rounds or so. If the buffer gets crushed / chewed up in twenty five rounds, your recoil spring will need to be replaced.
I hope that this helps!
Yours,
Bob Troxell.
Post by: Garson on March 18, 2007, 07:23:56 PM
Here's the picture of the guide rod after another 150 rds (shot with the provided buffer this time.)
(total 300)
It appeared to be worse.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%20guide%20rod/CZTSguiderod300rds.jpg)
-Garson
Post by: Unregistered(d) on March 19, 2007, 07:04:08 AM
Please show a picture of the buffer placed on the guiderod.
Post by: Virginia Jake on March 19, 2007, 10:48:18 AM
See if you can send these pictures to Mike the gunsmith at CZ USA.
Keep us all posted what Mike has to say!
Yours,
Bob Troxell.
ps I'm going to take a look at my guide rod when I get home tonight.
Bob
Post by: Garson on March 19, 2007, 11:44:29 PM
The rod and buffer and the way I installed
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%20guide%20rod/CZTSbufferinstal.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%20guide%20rod/DSC05433a.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%20guide%20rod/DSC05436a.jpg)
The buffer in the frame
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%20guide%20rod/DSC05438a.jpg)
The guide rod is not of full length.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%20guide%20rod/DSC05445a.jpg)
Its only 3 inches
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%20guide%20rod/DSC05431a.jpg)
Is the rod in your TS also only 3 inches long?
-Garson
Post by: Virginia Jake on March 20, 2007, 05:32:03 AM
My guide rod is not full lenght. Take a look at that shock buff! It is really pounded! It looks as though you had it installed correctly!
Factory loads should not distroy a guide rod and pound a recoil buff like that only after 150 rounds, (less than five hundred rounds tops!)
Recoil spring dude!
Yours,
Bob Troxell.
Post by: Unregistered(d) on March 20, 2007, 07:40:34 AM
You have got the wrong buffer. The one you have is designed for CZ75 ST IPSC. Contact your local dealer and let them deliver a bag full of buffers for the CZ75 TS.
Good Luck
Mattias Gustafssson
Team CZ Sweden
Post by: Garson on March 20, 2007, 09:10:25 PM
I've got this problem while shooting the first 150rds without the buffer.
And I just only shot a few rounds with the buffer in the 2nd 150rds.
I doubt if the thin slot of the frame has offered support strong enough for the guide rod flange to stand for that presure from the recoil spring.
I would like to see if your TS frame and guide rod are the same as mine.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/DSC05375a.jpg)
Thanks
-Garson
Post by: Mattias Gustafsson on March 21, 2007, 08:17:24 AM
Please check my message about the buffers! That's your problem. I hope you will enjoy your shooting with your CZ 75 TS with the corect buffer installed.
"Masken"
Mattias Gustafsson
Team CZ Sweden
Post by: koiloco on March 21, 2007, 05:14:16 PM
I got my full length GR from Steve at
bedair.org/ (http://bedair.org/)
super nice guy.
My plastic one had the same problem and destroyed
my buffer pretty fast. After switching to a metal FLGR,
it seemed a lot better.
The buffers that came with my TS look just like yours.
If they are the wrong ones, anyone has a picture of the correct buffer for the TS?
Thx.
Post by: Garson on March 21, 2007, 11:11:33 PM
But I think the problem is not mainly caused by the buffer.
As I just said, the rod has been teared by the first 150rds without the buffer.
Anyway, it would be a great help if you can post a picture of the right buffer. Thanks in advance.
Koiloco,
Have CZUSA sent you a new one when you got the same problem?
I agree with you that a metal rod is the key.
I should be grateful if you can post a picture of you metal (full length?)rod, and it would be a great help if you can provide the dimension too. I'd like to see how it look after you shot a certain number of rounds.
-Garson
Post by: whenindo on March 24, 2007, 01:20:39 PM
You might want to think about ordering one of these:
www.sprinco.com/recoil.html (http://www.sprinco.com/recoil.html)
and a couple of these:
www.buffertech.com/stores...r_P9C2.cfm (http://www.buffertech.com/stores/1/CZ-75_85_Recoil_Buffer_P9C2.cfm)
I've got them on order for my new TS .40 cal.
Edit:
Also, my bag of buffers looks exactly like that above and is clearly marked "Buffer Assembly For The CZ 75 TS".....
I too would like to see a picture of what the correct factory buffer is, if these are wrong.
Post by: Garson on March 24, 2007, 07:18:00 PM
Do you have the same guiderod problem with your TS?
If you do, I think most TS owners got the same problem too and CZ should do something for this.
I also wonder if any TS owner here is shooting the TS smoothly and can show us the proper way to handle the TS.
Thanks.
-Garson
Post by: Mattias Gustafsson on March 25, 2007, 11:25:08 AM
I have looked at your pictures once more. There seem to be two different buffers on the market. And two different cuts in the frame to accept the different buffers. You have got the right buffer for your pistol. The gun I use have a slightly smaller cut into the frame to accept a different buffer. Interesting and confusing.
Mattias Gustafsson
Team CZ Sweden
Post by: whenindo on March 25, 2007, 03:23:35 PM
I've disassembled it, cleaned it and it's ready to go, but for what it cost I figured I'd tune it before running too much through it.
I actually learned of the Sprinco setup on this site and tagged it before I bought the gun with the thought of putting the kit in the gun before I shot it.
For a gun like this, the $100 to reduce recoil and wear and tear is money well spent IMO.
I tend to agree that the wear you show above is not normal but there are people here far more experienced than I on this gun.
Regardless, check out what I posted above.
Post by: Garson on April 02, 2007, 03:52:55 AM
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%202nd%20guiderod/DSC05502a.jpg)
The new rod has to be used with the buffer and because of the smaller flange the rod is to be seated to the deeper(smaller) cavity of the frame.
After a test run of 200rds, it just only got a minor mark on the flange and the test went smooth with no more problem.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%202nd%20guiderod/DSC05505a.jpg)
Thank to Mike, the gunsmith of CZ USA and to all those who posted here in this great forum and have tried to help.
Thanks a lot.
-Garson
Post by: Southpawg26 on April 04, 2007, 10:57:04 AM
Post by: Garson on April 04, 2007, 11:26:51 PM
He made a 2 pieces full length stainless steel one for my TS.
It looks so great and runs so smooth that I think I should share the info. with you guys.
-Garson
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%202nd%20guiderod/DSC05509r.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%202nd%20guiderod/DSC05487a.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%202nd%20guiderod/DSC05481a.jpg)
Post by: pistolbro206 on April 05, 2007, 10:18:49 PM
Any chance your friend would be willing to make any more. I'd be very interested.
Post by: Garson on April 05, 2007, 11:23:14 PM
You can contact him directly.
He's a very nice guy willing to help.
Al Perry of Accurate Machining
aperry1@covad.net
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%202nd%20guiderod/DSC05478a.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/garsonusa/Gun%20-%20Handgun/CZ%2075%20Tactical%20Sport/CZ%20TS%202nd%20guiderod/DSC05468a.jpg)
Post by: pistolbro206 on April 06, 2007, 05:43:09 PM
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