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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ75, 75b, 75 SAO inc the Transitional => Topic started by: tipoc on October 30, 2008, 07:55:23 PM
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I believe I got my first CZ 75B in 2001. I had it for awhile and put a few thousand rounds through it. It went away in a trade.
I followed it up with a nice minty pre B (with the original box and papers) that again I put a few thousand rounds through and kept in good shape. It began to bother me I was shooting a minty collectable so I sold it to a collector of Lugars I know who wanted it.
I got a 97 B after that which I liked very much which was traded though for a S&W wheelgun I'd been lusting after for a few years. Hard revolver to get and I could replace the 97 easily.
Anyway, I've been without a CZ for the last year or so.
On another forum though a fella (odd troll like fella) began a thread on how the 75 slide stops break so often that the 75 is a flawed design. "The slide stop pin is only good for 1500 rounds" he says. I know that was not true. The thread went on for pages.
It's inspired me to go out and get another 75B. I have a friend who offered me one that comes with a conversion kit. I'll have to get it from him. Along with my HP, I suppose? can use another 9mm. The 75 is a reliable beautiful gun.
tipoc
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You can never have too many 9mm guns. Get another CZ and the Browning won't be lonely. ;) (http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?topic=18929.0)
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On another forum though a fella (odd troll like fella) began a thread on how the 75 slide stops break so often that the 75 is a flawed design. "The slide stop pin is only good for 1500 rounds" he says. I know that was not true. The thread went on for pages.
Sounds like that chap might have something against the 75B.
As far as I'm aware, installing an excessively strong recoil spring and/or misaligned holes in the frame for the slide stop pin (a factory defect) might result in accelerated wear on the pin and possible premature breakage, but it's highly doubtful that a factory stock 75B would break its slide stop pin within 1500 rounds.
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I participated in that thread for a while! I've never seen such bias against CZ's and Czechs in general. WOW! To that guy CZ's are a faulty design no matter what... he just has issues I think, seems his purpose in life right now is to bash CZ's.
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that guy is an idiot with only point to prove to himself...real world proves his point worthless. is one design better or stronger..maybe..does it matter..not.
again my apologies..I woke up cranky.
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Does anyone have a link to the thread in question?
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http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315863&highlight=cz (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315863&highlight=cz)
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If that's the thread I think it is, it's an 85B, not a 75B, which they discuss in the thread.
I don't know the topic as well as the guys over there, but it seems to me that the whole "drill a bigger hole" thing in the 85B holds water as to why it hasn't been as reliable as the 75.
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If that's the thread I think it is, it's an 85B, not a 75B, which they discuss in the thread.
I don't know the topic as well as the guys over there, but it seems to me that the whole "drill a bigger hole" thing in the 85B holds water as to why it hasn't been as reliable as the 75.
different thread..this is about the design of the 75 being inferior and placing too much stress on itself because of its design..nothing to do with the 85
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http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315863&highlight=cz (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315863&highlight=cz)
Thank you, sir!
(I can't view that thread right now as I'm at work and the most firearms-related websites are filtered out, but I'll take a peek at it when I get home.)
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Guys, stop trying to educate those who believe that their mind is made up and don't want to be confused with the facts. Plus, let the law of supply and demand work. The less people want CZ's, the more will be on the market, the more on the market the lower the price for those of us who know the value of a CZ. I only have three now and am looking to add.
Mitch
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The guy starts out saying there's a frame problem, switches to it being a slide-stop problem (which, he claims a broken slide stop is a sign of a frame problem), etc., etc. He argues and argues, and is more intent upon proving he's right (on any subject) than to really make a point about the gun or guns.
He was pretty forcefully answered and he doesn't even realize he's made a fool of himself.
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Sometimes you have to put on the hip boots and wade through the muck. New shooters looking for info on CZs can be thrown off track by folks who seem to know whereof they speak but are grinding an ax or working out a personal problem or something... In the? case of TFL thread, linked to above, the fella was given more than enough rope to hang himself and he did. More than once in fact. Like Jason in those Halloween movies you'd think he was out but he popped back up. He's down for a bit now. He'll come back in a month or so with some new angle.
Actual discussions of the strengths and weaknesses of particular guns can be useful, I learn something new and assumptions are challenged, but troll like beings are a drag.
I hadn't heard about the "1500 round service life" of the slide stop pin before that thread.? like I said I've oned CZs that went well beyond 1500 rounds with out a problem. So I need to find out more about that, if true it seems odd. Same thing pops up in Daddyos thread a few threads below this one on this forum. Rumors going around.
TIPOC
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Quiet please. I don't think my 75B knows it was supposed to have failure problems some 4,500 rounds ago. The stupid gun just keeps firing and hitting the target where I aim it.
It's never had a new part, but if you guys keep talking about parts that fail, it will want new this, new that, and then it will begin to sound like my girlfriend.
Mitch
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That particular thread is close to 400 posts now and yet, it continues. I have close to 20k rounds in my 3 CZ 75s now and I've yet to have anything break. Guess no one told my guns how faulty they are. :)
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Mike
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Howdy folks,
Like most 75B owners have stated, many of us have far more than the "magic 1500 rounds" through our pistols already, without any issues.
I have two 75Bs in 40, and an SP-01 in 9. All three pistols have never had a "target/light" load fired through them. I don't shoot competition, so I see no need to fire light or target loads. These are carry pistols for me, and as such every round that goes downrange is either a factory JHP or a reload that equates to my factory/carry rounds.
One of my 75Bs has had well over 6000 rounds through it now, of hot and very hot loads (two different calibers), and what amazes me the most is it looks internally and externally as if it has not fired more than a few mags so far. That is the only issue that surprises me at all with the strength and quality of the CZ pistols. My other two pistols have nearly that number of rounds through each of them, also of carry/carry like reloads.
So if there was any basis at all for the "magic 1500" mark, I should have already had to replace several slide lock levers to date. IF this has ever happened, at it may well have for a few folks, I strongly suspect they began to change a lot of springs and then fired rounds not well suited to that combo installed in their pistols. But I am sure no expert, just a shooter who loves the way my CZ pistols perform for me. Of course the action magic done on these by Mr. Angus and another gifted CZ smith have probably helped to spoil me a bit too.
Just my thoughts, and other members may have differing experiences. But for anyone who is concerned about some magic number of rounds meaning problems, given my personal experiences, I simply do not feel there is anything to worry about.
twoguns
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Years ago ( about 1985) I had the model 75. The blued version. After about 10.000 rounds I replaced the barrel and had a bar-sto fitted. The gun was used for IPSC shooting which, puts a lot more stress on a gun than, let's say, bullseye shooting.
I sold the gun with more than 90.000 rounds fired. The accuracy was getting less but it's frame and slide were still OK. To this day I still have all the parts that I replaced with that gun. (I actually put the original plastic grips on a second hand 9mm Champion I purchased last week!) The plastic bag with all the parts contained three broken slide pins and the fixed sight that was replaced by an adjustable Millet sight.
The broken pin issue did happen but not as often as one is being told. When I sold the gun it had just a hardened steel pin to lock the barrel; I could not lock the slide anymore (and didn't care).
So, after all those years I'm the owner of a cz75 again and I'm happy. The bleep thing points as natural as my own body parts and has to be the pistol with the absolute best ergonomics for my hands.
I hope it'll do as good as the previous cz!
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The only thing i have had break on ANY of my CZ pistols is the plastic on a grip stud (suspect overtightening by previous owner). I have not had any springs, or small parts break on me (one pistol has gone to the range with me consistently since purchase in 1996).
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The thread over at TFL was finally closed. Something that should have happened after the first several pages. The fella who initiated the thread is a troll. An unusual and creative troll but a troll still. He went to the the effort of writing and posting a wikipedia page about himself which is here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Larvatus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Larvatus)
explaining that he is a troll, a "blowhard", he says.
Think about that for a minute, a fella writes a wiki page about his online persona where he explains that he is a blowhard.
He apparently decided that his mission is to explain the sort comings of CZ designs.
He has a prejudice against Czechs...
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301030&highlight=CZ75&page=3 (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301030&highlight=CZ75&page=3)
He will turn up somewhere else. Folks should not be rude but the inexperienced may not know who they are dealing with.
tipoc
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Haha, that he was a troll was quite obvious, or not?
You have people like that in every nation, every forum, whatever topic. Some people seem to loose their sense of reality when they're behind a keyboard. :-\
Shoot straight.