The Original CZ Forum
GENERAL => Tactics and Competition => Topic started by: phrozenlikwid on November 07, 2008, 06:52:17 PM
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Who's got one? Who's seen one? Who even knows anything about them?
Shooting season is over, and I got a chance to shoot a open gun and it was a tremendous amount of fun. I've had great luck with my CZ's so far, so I was interested in keeping with the same platform. Lately, I've been kept up at night about using a CZ Champion to sling 9mm Major rounds, and tearing up USPSA Open, and using regular 9mm rounds for Open Steel.
Trying to find someone with any knowledge about them however, is daunting. There are two people over at Benos who own/owned the same Champion, which was outfitted to shoot Major. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get the current owner of the pistol to shed some light on the project.
So far, here's what I have been scheming -
- CZ Champion in 9mm, sent off to Angus/Matt/Miossi/etc for complete action job with all the trimmings. Angus magwell, grips, etc
- Venry at Radical Precision (Benos), says he can make me up a mount for either a Cmore/Doctor, as well as a better comp. Also considered melting a Doctor into the slide.
- Would run a Modified (Eerw style) 25 rd mag for a big stick, and modified SP01 mags (again, a la Eerw) for 140mm's. Capacity might be a little off, but not enough to matter to me (I suck, and an extra round or two won't make a difference).
This would be my first gun with a dot and comp (until my Kadet project gets completed, anyways :) ), and the first time dealing with 9mm Major. Venry claims the gun he built has no problems running the major rounds, so I assume it's just load the case with powder, stuff in a bullet, and go.
Those of you who play the Open game, or know some about CZ's...... This sounds feasable? Am I missing anything, or setting myself up for potential "gotchas"? Would I be better off just getting a *gasp* Tanfo?
Any advice, is always certainly appreciated.
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sounds reasonable...only Champions I have seen have been in .40SW...have seen a couple of open gun CZs done on the web..l
I saw another mount made by Jojo of JVDynamics that would be a really mount for a doctor or JP.. it it made for STI..but should be easily adaptable to the CZ dustcover.
not sure how to do the comp...couple of ways..easiest..is to get longer barrel thread comp and fit...unable to seperate from the slide but can be dealt with..otherway..remove bushing..mill off front of slide to allow barrel to come out front like a 1911..and comp..similar to the P9 I ran years ago...for heavy work like that..i would go with George at EGW..George was one of the shops that built up P9s back in the day..and he knows his stuff..
9mm major is doable..but it is hard on the guns..when you have to load short..9 major in STIs are a lot easier when you can load out to 1.250 to get the case capacity..but it can be done.
if so..get some hardened slidestop pins from EGW..
good project..wish I had the funds to chase one down..
another way to do it..is run a TS in 9mm..and get someone to weld up some mags for your 170s..
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Eerw,
I was curious about the comp myself... Venry said that he has one developed, and even has a gun set up as such. A couple pictures would be worth a 1000 words, but no go so far.
The frame getting battered was a concern of mine too. PF back when you were shooting a P9 was higher, wasn't it? Did you ever have any problems with your gun?
I've still got my Tactical Sport (it's out getting refinished), and I've though about going that route. A switch upper Limited/Open class TS woud be kinda neat, but would probably require two seperate uppers (5" 9mm, normal .40).
I dunno.... It's just something I was pondering as an off-season project. Been shooting a lot of rimfire stuff lately, so my kadet project has my focus at the moment. Open class just looks like so much fun, and it sucks not being able to get in on it.
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yep..PF was the old 175...I pretty much ran 115 at about 1550fps..it was loud..used WW540 and Viht 3n37.
had no trouble at all..I never did break a slide stop..but had a couple of the EGW pins..
it would be a fun project..open is fun..and shooting a dot really helps you when you go back to iron sights..and learning how the sight will track.
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Hi,
I've got one since yesterday. It has a fixed sight for now (fibre optic). I took it to the range this morning and fired about 150 rounds. One hickup but with ammo from a buddy.
I loaded 123 Fiochi with 4.5 and 4.7 VV N340, federal primer. I'm gonna stick with 4.6 gr. N340 for now since i have about 5000 of those bullets left ::) I also tried 124FMJ's and 115 HP's with N340. Unfortunately, today was not a good day for accuracy testing from 25 meters 9or i have to get used to a fibre optic front sight....this one's my first) but from 20m I had some groups that were good enough for it's purpose.
I don't think the gun is suitable for major 9mm loads unless you don't care about the longevity of the gun.
I changed out the standard rubber Hogue grip with those that I had left over from my first CZ75 (some 20 yrs ago).
Maybe I will put on a c-more sight but for sure I will need some 25 round magazines.
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My buddy is a 2011 guy but he picked up a used 9mm Champion a year ago and shot our last match with one. He did pretty well but says he prefers a 1911. Trigger is awesome, felt around 2-2.5 lbs and very crisp. When I shot it with factory 9mm the muzzle didn't seem to move at all, it is cool. It does feel quite a bit lighter than my SP-01. I still think that a SP-01 with trigger mods and a Champion comp would make a better open gun.
I've handled Tactical Sports and don't like the larger frame and hate the textured nubs on the grip frame.
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A friend shooter has a CZ Champion with a Docter sight installed on a rail built by RPD (Venry). He has been shooting 9 major (Open) for a while, and this past weekend he shot the Florida Section Match at Punta Gorda (near Naples) -the Champion worked just fine (I shot my STI Limited also built by Venry).
Other than the rail and Docter sight with rail and the thumb rest, the Champion is pretty original with only the must do things, like trigger job, magwell, grips, etc. Another nice thing Venry did was installing the rail on the right side (it does not obstruct the ejection port). With the slide racker installed on the right side it is possible to remove the slide without removing the slide stop or the rail from the gun. Venry also built a 170 mm mag by cutting a CZ sub-machine gun magazine (CZ 25?)
Yes, you can have a custom compensator for the Champion from Venry. I am in a middle of a CZ SP01 project, and I gave up finding a thread barrel and the Champion compensator, and I am turning to Venry for options he can build (I will stop by his shop later this week).
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FLL1911:
Awesome, thank you for the info. So he's using a sidemount with the Doctor on top of the slide? Interesting.... Any word on how 9mm major handles out of the Champion? I assume he's had no problems with it? Am I correct in assuming that he's using the factory Champion compensator?
That gun sounds pretty neat. Would love to see some pictures of it.... Your friend post anywhere? Also, keep us updated on the SP01 open project. Would love to see how that turns out.
Hatzpad:
Agreed about the chunkyness of the factory TS; Mines been shaved down to remedy such a situation, and I think it feels great. I actually prefer the grip of this gun over a 2011 grip.
My TS:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/phrozenlikwid/IMG_2120.jpg)
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FLL1911..
great info..really looking forward to details about your open SP01 project
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I am actually that friend:)
My Champion (the gun, not me), is Venry's old gun.
I did a trigger job on it, put wide safeties, magwell, SP01 rubber grips and some grip tape. The 3 port comp works great with the right load. I do not think it needs a more efficient comp.
I was using a frame mounted right sided only Docter sight. It was very easy to switch from limited to open with the Docter sight, since it is not much higher than the normal FO front sight.
What FLL1911 doesnt know :) is that I bought a C-more and mount tonight.
The Docter is great, but much harder to pick up. I tend to lose the dot, especially on strong hand weak hand. I am going to try the C-more for a little while.
The gun runs a steady diet of major 9mm without a hickup. The gun has never jammed on me, besides one mag problem which was my fault. I shoot 115's with it, did not like the 124's.
If you shoot steel, I suggest using major loads and not minor. The minor loads are quite "flippy" compared to major loads. Once you get used to major, everything else feels like artificial sweetener:)
Hope this helps.
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Awesome, Thanks for posting.
So you didn't care for the frame mounted Doctor setup? Interesting. I need to shoot some different setups and see what I like. I have very limited time behind Open guns, and haven't quite formulated an opinion about various things. What kind of extended safties are you running?
Glad to hear about the gun holding up so far. Keep us updated!
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Careful, Open is addictive :)
I am using the Shadow safeties, took a bit of fitting, but no problem now.
I am using a 1911 shockbuff and I see no frame battering at all. I did break one slide stop, but that is normal.
The gun shoots super flat with hot major ammo. The brass comes out straight, no bulges or pressure signs.
Let me know if you have more questions, happy to share.
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Did another 300 rounds or so last night.
Two conclusions:
1) the fibre optic front sight doesn't do me any favors. I'm shooting on an indoor-range and the light is different depending on distance to the targets. This makes the brightness of the fibre optic change as well. I never had this many misses; a lot of rounds went over the target. :-\
2) the compensator couln't be screwed off. Stuck.Like a bastard. There are a couple of threads (of the barrel) exposed to the inner part of the comp.I guess the threads get clogged up and make it very diffcult to unscrew the comp. I ended up using a vise to hold the comp and use a lot of force. Whoever designed this ? >:(
I'm gonna try a few more loads tonight to see if the accuracy of the gun is OK and then it's gonna get c-Mored!
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My wife pick one for me about five years ago. It's the 9mm one. I"ve had one shell blowup in the chamber(win. case) and it didn't hurt the gun. Mine got about a 2 lb. trigger. and every one I let shoot it, loves it. But something is wrong, I've got a CZ75 "D" that is more accurate than my Champion(9mm), SP01(9mm) and my Tacialsport(.40cal.) And I have CZ85 combat's and a CZp01.
But, is CZ still making Champions??? ANybody??? it's not a trick question.
IF I could find a champion in .40cal. I'd probility have to have it. ANd yes, my wife and I have most of the CZ's on the market.
Pat
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Pat,
Strange to hear about the accuracy of your Champion; I figured given the attention to fitting they would shoot pretty well. Is there any noticeable play in the barrel lock-up? The HK style barrel O-ring looks intriguing to me, and might be a cheap/easy fix if there is some play. Next time I see my machinest buddy I'm going to ask him about cutting one of my barrels for it, just to see.
As far as finding a .40 example..... That's actually the ones I usually see for sale. Haven't seen any come up online for a couple weeks, but there was like 3-4 of them for sale on the various auction sites, all .40's if I remember correctly. I've heard people mention that they are a discontinued item (at least in the US), but haven't really took the time to confirm it. I imagine a call to CZ-USA (or even Angus) would likely set the story straight.
Earshot:
I know what you mean about the FO... I usually shoot outside, and personally like the FO front. I shot some pins indoors a while back with my production gun (Wouldn't let me shoot the TS, claimed it was a "gamer gun"....) and the FO made it hard. The inconsistency of the brightness of the sight messed with me quite a bit. Probably won't be shooting there again, so I think I'll keep it on. The FO is pretty easy to pick up outdoors.
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Well, the accuracy of the champion with standard comp is not bad for sure. I got some good accuracy using a Fiochi 123 gr , federal spp, 4.0 VV N320 from 25m last night. It was a very soft load. I guess it will make minor bad it's a real wussy-load ;D Drawback is that it doesn't allow the comp to do any work...at all! just not enough gaspressure. But anyway: the gun is OK but I'm gonna stick a c-more on top and turn the champion into a "minor open class fun-shooter kind-a-thingymagee"..... :D
After the c-more is on, I will develop some loads and also experiment with with loads that DO run the comp as well. Will take some time though! Also need to track down some 25 rounds mags.
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I stopped by Venry?s shop yesterday and left with him my SP01, already changed to single action and with a CZ TS 9mm barrel installed (5 ??) to have a compensator built and installed. I will keep posting the progress on my SP01 Open 9 major. Still to decide between Docter/JP and C-More - I like the fact that the Docter/ JP sights can be mounted low, but C-More has dot brightness control which seems to be one the most desired features from all Open shooters I talked to.
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So you seriously intend to shoot major 9mm loads? Aren't you concerned about longevity of the gun?
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Alright, I WANT A CHAMPION comp on my SP-01! Shot a match this weekend and my buddy shot his 9mm Champion, me with my SP-01, that Champion just doesn't move at all with the comp and he was shooting WWB 9mm and Black Hills 9mm. I really want to convert my SP-01 to SA and add a comp. Trigger pull is so light that it caught him of guard a few times and actually messed up his cadence, he shot faster than he wanted to a few times. I ordered an M&P 9 Pro this week to replace my SP-01 for production so I can mess with the SP-01 in the future.
Please keep us updated and remember to post pics of the finished gun.
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There is another route to explore, but it needs to be checked. EAA Witness has a CZ Champion equivalent and they do offer the replacement barrel with compensator. The key is to understand how much work is needed to fit the Witness barrel to the SP01. I was about to order the barrel and compensator to find out what it would take to fit it on my SP01, but EAA did not have it in stock at the time, so I asked Venry (RPD) to build a compensator. It should be ready in a few weeks.
http://www.eaacorp.com/parts-hand-gun-barrels-compensators.html (http://www.eaacorp.com/parts-hand-gun-barrels-compensators.html)
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Here is my gun. I have posted before, but this will give people ideas. Also a friend just bought a barrel from www.efkfiredragon.com for a small frame EAA and it is awesome. They offer extended, threaded barrels for 75s and SPO1s. Also for those interested, I just mounted a Burris Fastfire dot on this gun. I bought a 1911 standard mounting platform and had to use a thin metal shim but it seems rock solid so far. I will probably convert my old slide racker into the dovetail portion of the mount and then screw the plate directly to the slide racker.
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Is this what you are looking for. Tanfoglio Gold Custom.
Take Care
Bob
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or this one!
Take Care
Bob
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Here is my gun. I have posted before, but this will give people ideas. Also a friend just bought a barrel from www.efkfiredragon.com for a small frame EAA and it is awesome. They offer extended, threaded barrels for 75s and SPO1s. Also for those interested, I just mounted a Burris Fastfire dot on this gun. I bought a 1911 standard mounting platform and had to use a thin metal shim but it seems rock solid so far. I will probably convert my old slide racker into the dovetail portion of the mount and then screw the plate directly to the slide racker.
I've been watching your SP01 project progress, and it looks like it's coming along nicely. You'll have to get some updated pictures once the Fastfire gets mounted. I have one of those in route for a open class Kadet project myself. Let us know what you think about using the dovetail mount; I was going to try and melt mine in, as I was afraid that the dot would set up too far otherwise.
I hadn't heard that EFK was doing CZ barrels. That's awesome. Kinda expensive, but if they work well it will certainly be worth having the option. Are these drop in, or gunsmith fit?
I sincerely appreciate everyone's thoughts and help. Not much talk on the Champion (or open class CZ's for that matter), and it's nice hearing what everyones doing and why.
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The Fastfire is mounted and by far sits lower than the weaver rail of course. Melted in would be nice, but I have actually been shooting my gun in open class with iron sights and don't want to lose that option. I will try to post a pic soon. The EFK barrel my friend installed was because EAA did not have his barrel in stock and his EAA barrel broke the lug off of the bottom of the barrel. He gave them the oustide diameter and they sent him the barrel. His had the EAA comp on it and it was in a odd thread pattern. EFK said for him to send his barrel, comp, and their barrel back with a provided call tag and they would thread and fit the comp. My friend just ordered the die himself and threaded his own barrel. He did it in a very short while and I see no problem with his work.
As an fyi (some may already know this) there is a website called www.live.com and if you search for a product through this engine it may link you to a discount throught ebay. For instance, if you search for Fastfire, the first line is for an ebay link and a possible discount if you use paypal to pay. Right now it is 25% off and ebay is giving an aditional 10% off. 35% off a $165 sight is a hell of a deal.
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Bad quality but another.
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Third.
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So you seriously intend to shoot major 9mm loads? Aren't you concerned about longevity of the gun?
Major is not a problem with todays power factor and powders. I shoot 8.5 grs of Ramshot Silhouette, WSP primer, range brass, and a 115gr JHP from Montana Gold. There is no pressure sign that has scared me yet and this is loaded to 1.10" OAL. I have even shot this load in several standard guns with no problem. This round is a 172 power factor at 1520fps. I check my slide stop after each match and there is not a mark on it.
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Phil,
Thanks for the pictures and the details. Your SP-01 is SICK - I hope it works out well for you. Sent you a PM, btw. Couple more questions.... What are you doing for magazines? SP-01/modded factory 25rd deals? Whatd you do to get that stippling texture on there? MarineTex or equivalent?
The EFK info is mucho helpful. Looks like there is the source for extended barrels. Seems to be a multitude of different routes to go here, but I'm a fan of options. I recently ended up with a 9mm upper, and I'm looking at what all would be required to fit it to my TS lower a la Angus' CTS concepts he was showing off a while back. Already have magazines/holsters/etc for it, so that might be a natural route. All I *think* I would need would be a barrel (which thanks to you is now found), and a comp (Which Venry could make), and the requisite fitting the slide/cutting for a FastFire.
Lots of helpful info in this thread pertaining to all things CZ open, so I changed the name for easier searching. Anyone have any other open class experience/ideas, feel free to let them be known!
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the closest I have run is a Springfield P9 clone..I actually found it for sale on Gunsamerica..they got the facts all wrong. oh well
it was chambered in 9x21..but loaded to 9x19 OAL. built back in 1992
ran 115s at the old 175 PF..ran the gun two years on the factory slide stop
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/eerw/Cool%20Stuff/KimballP9.jpg)
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I took my 9mm champion to a gunsmith today to have a c-more fitted. It'll be ready second week of 2009.
I can't wait.....I also got some VV 3N37 to make some loads that does make the comp work.
Any suggestions on how much to use for a 123 gr. TC-FMJ (Fiocchi)? I'm thinking of starting with 6.0 gr.
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Bump.
Any updates? I've had a C-more fitted to my SP01. Have a spare Aussie compliant 125mm barrel & possibly an aftermarket 6" barrell available. Am looking at compensators & options.
Anyone know if Angus is making em yey?
Cheers, Ando.
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No idea about Angus' intentions, but might rate a call. I was actually hoping to see some open stuff at SHOT, but it appears that it wasn't to be.
As for the compensator, it can be done, using factory parts. I've been talking to Venry from Radical Precision, and he's gonna be doing them. He's already got a couple CZ's in the works, so I'm betting you'll be seeing them soon. He uses the factory barrel and slide, and creates a 1911'ish (for lack of better terminology) setup. It actually uses 1911 springs, and the entire assembly can be removed out the front of the slide. I'd post what all he told me, but I'm not completely for sure that would be kosher as I'm assuming it's more/less proprietary. I'm sure he would tell you all you wanted to know about it if you contacted him, I found him to be incredibly helpful and friendly.
I've got a gun, optics, and someone who will cut it all up, I just need to make some more money first >:(
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Agreed about the chunkyness of the factory TS; Mines been shaved down to remedy such a situation, and I think it feels great. I actually prefer the grip of this gun over a 2011 grip.
My TS:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/phrozenlikwid/IMG_2120.jpg)
Just curious but why the chopped dust cover? Faster target transitions, better balance, or.... ???
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FLL1911,
Any chance of you posting some pic's of your project SP-01 and your friends Champion??
I'd love to see them, and I'm sure most of the guys here would too ;D
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Just curious but why the chopped dust cover? Faster target transitions, better balance, or.... ???
Both. It was actually already done when I bought the gun. Having owned a stock TS before though, I much prefer this setup. Feels great in the hand.
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Hi folks,
just done my SP-01 Open pistol:)
here are some photos:
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3448/custom1.jpg)
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4508/custom2.jpg)
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8268/custom3.jpg)
What have I done:
- cut the triggerguard and beavertail to have the same feeling of frame like in Shadow
- painted the frame
- added competition hammer, steel guiderod, extended magazine release (from Shadow), alu grips and magweel
- removed FPB
- customized the trigger to have very short reset
- changed the mainspring to 13lb
- changed the recoil spring to 10lb
- changed the barrel with IGB barrel with IGB compensator (www.igbaustria.com (http://www.igbaustria.com), www.impulsegunbarrels.com)
- added J-point 8MOA
- bought some long magazine but have no idea how to cut it to 170mm, now it has 174mm
- bought some alu pads from czub.cz which make 22 capacity magazine
I'm waiting for custim extended safeties.
I don't reload so I shoot minor with factory ammo. The best ammo for this gun is magtech 95 grains.
I have also compensator for major loaded but never it doesn't work with factory ammo.
regards
Leszek
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Leszek, that looks awesome. I like that finish you did on the frame.
Where are you located? I get the feeling it's not in the US. I haven't ever seen those AL basepads before, look pretty trick.
Is that a factory CZ 25 round mag? Are you doing anything with the followers (ie: trimming them down), or plan on adding a baseplate?
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Poland:)
Pads are produced in Czech.
Yes it's factory 25 r mag. At this time I only changed the spring and now the capacity is 26 in mag.
First I have to cut the mag, then I will thinking about trimming the follower.
I haven't trimmed followers in "standard" mags with alu pads.
regards
Leszek
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Hi Leszek,
I?m also from Poland (Zabrze - Biskupice) but live now in germany. Didn't know IGB is selling barrels and comps for the SP-01. Saw only cz75 standart barrels on their website and the comps were for glocks. What setup is in your SP-01?
Best regards
Andreas
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Bumping this thread to the top for any possible updates...
Anyone build anything new, or get some new leads? I knew there were some people who were going to Venry, have any of these guns ever materialized?
Angus is supposedly coming out with some basepads that will extend mag capacity for the '75 stuff. He also said he's got a conversion for the TS to run normal '75 mags as well.
Still sitting on a spare '75SA slide here, debating on what to do with it. I've been researching cone compensators lately, and trying to think about what all would need to happen to make on of those work.... Cut off the front of the slide a little bit, have a cone that mates to a threaded barrel, and then locks up into the slide? Reverse plug setup for the recoil spring?
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Any info on Compensators? I really want one for my CZ75B SA.... Any compensator I would be happy with.
Contacted Venry, waiting for reply.
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Yeah, I contacted him as well, but he hasn't gotten back to me. Been several weeks since he's been on BENOS, I hope things are good with him.
The factory CZ comp (and Venry's) is about the only one that I've seen used, though the factory one is apparently really hard to get ahold of. Assuming you could get an extended barrel threaded to match, I don't see why any 2011 comp wouldn't work, though it would likely look goofy.
I have a copy of SolidWorks that I'm playing around with, trying to model up some ideas I have. I think I have a decent understanding of how the comp/barrel system would work out, but I'm working on a recoil spring/guide setup. Someone else tipped me off to the factory EAA parts that Hennig sells at his store, and I'm thinking about picking up the guide rod/reverse plug/spring setup to check it out. I haven't done much prototyping (especially in SolidWorks), but am trying to get the hang of things. I think a cone comp/reverse plug setup would/could work, I just need to get something together that I can have machined up for me.
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For someone interested....My CZ SPO1 is in the classified section for sale.
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So a question was posed by someone else about making shooting open major in a CZ, which reminded me about this thread.
Seen a couple more open CZ's rolling about on the internets, and some new ideas/parts. Of particular note is Briley is now manufacturing gunsmith fit barrels for the CZ's, in various sizes.
As for new CZ open guns, I'm just going to blatantly link to the photos of the open CZ's I've seen so if they are yours and you mind, speak up.
Mattias from BEnos:
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv121/MattGus72/LeftOpen.jpg)
(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv121/MattGus72/RightOpen.jpg)
Dennis from Global Village:
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_svStbaEU4bk/SoQm9HGJKdI/AAAAAAAAABw/KGeB_JwsNbo/s640/pistolet2.JPG)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_svStbaEU4bk/SoQnAdolvqI/AAAAAAAAAB4/vEQuwazJthA/s640/pistolet1.JPG)
Both are TS's, and both are being built by their respective owners as one-offs. Mattias is doing an extended barrel + homemade comp. Dennis appears to have cut the front of his TS, and made it like a 1911 (though I don't know the specifics yet).
I've yet to hear any confirmation from US CZ peeps, but some CZ guys over in Europe confirmed to me that CZ is going to be producing a factory open gun, sometime in the near future. Looks to be based off the TS platform, though with most of the changes that you see people doing with TS's already done. As the word goes, CZ might be selling retrofit conversions for existing TS's. Take all this with a grain of salt though, cause who knows what the final deal will be. These are the pics I've seen, which I've seen since posted in several places:
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_svStbaEU4bk/SqgexpdIH0I/AAAAAAAAACU/lRk1ViGINCY/s640/75%20TS%20Bali-3D-left.jpg)
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(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_svStbaEU4bk/Sqge1mRVaVI/AAAAAAAAACc/nWevY9R3psY/s800/75%20TS%20Bali-detail-01.jpg)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_svStbaEU4bk/Sqge33XylxI/AAAAAAAAACg/EsrP8tkbLRQ/s1024/75%20TS%20Bali-detail-02.jpg)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_svStbaEU4bk/Sqge9J87EwI/AAAAAAAAACk/5Zcggdgf9XM/s576/75%20TS%20Bali-detail-03.jpg)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_svStbaEU4bk/SqgfDaeVfcI/AAAAAAAAACs/_6dl2T_rzpo/s720/75%20TS%20Bali-frame-assembly.jpg)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_svStbaEU4bk/SqgfHGARGdI/AAAAAAAAACw/Q3bLPEhNb6A/s1024/75%20TS%20Bali-slide-assembly.jpg)
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Steel Gun
(http://angushobdell.com/Images/ANGUS_SP01_STEEL/pictures/img_6527.jpg)
We are looking into making Open "STEEL" ie Minor Steel Loads guns, let me know who is interested?
What Platform etc
We are still working on removing the barrels from the front as well.
(I do not support the use of the CZ platform for major loads "kerb side warranty" once you drive it away the warranty is done if you shoot major loads.)
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Angus very interested..in minor open steel gun.
barrel coming out of the front would be fantastic.
SP01 or 75SA frame would be good with me.
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75 SA frame would be easier dont have to cut so much off the frame and the gun would be lighter.
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I love the square trigger guard and black frame on that open gun. Would like to see that in 40 cal Limited configuration.
Any rumor on when that is going to hit the US?
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We have no idea they are CZ UB custom shop project
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I would love to see a compensated upper kit.
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Cz Open pistol
The gun on the top of the page is mine. The build is almost complete. I'm just waiting on an extended barrel. The gun shoots perfectly and have no problem with ejecting brass. Things may change when I use major factor ammo. I hope CZ will sell high capacity magazines for TS as there will be a limited edition race-gun avalible soon. Otherwise I will cut and weld two magazines together. I'll put some more pictures up when the barrel and comp is fitted. :)
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Recoilbuffer on Open 9mm
Hello Angus
I have used my ST 40Smith&Wesson in Limited/Standard division. I always shoot it with the original buffer installed. I also own a top in 9mm. The 9mm wasn't delivered with a buffer. I have installed one on the 9mm as well. Is it recomended I use the buffer in the 9mm at all? Shall I use it in my 9mm open major set up? -Or will the buffer brake in pices after a few rounds?
What's your set up on your TS open?
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Hi folks
New pics of my Open gun in "CZ pics" of course...
Be my guest.
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Bump - a local club is looking like they are going to start running Steel Challenge this summer. If they go through with it, I would definitely be interested in getting a SP01- or 75SA-based "open steel" gun built.
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CZ SP01 Open 9mm Major ? the whole project took more time than expected, but I am shooting the new gun regularly for a little over 6 months by now.
Here are some pictures: CZ SP01 Open 9mm Major (http://www.flickr.com/photos/fll1911/sets/72157623764894448/)
Also posted on Brian Enos Forum on this thread: CZ open 9mm (http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=104148)
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Hi,
at the photos is my toy: CZ 75 Champion 9mm
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/972/cz75open014.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8897/cz75open013.jpg)
Regards
Sebastian