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GENERAL => Tactics and Competition => Topic started by: burningsquirrels on November 10, 2008, 09:28:17 AM
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hate to jack the other 3-gun shotun thread, felt better starting this new thread... but i ran across a rem 1100 26" 12ga with a 2-3/4" chamber for sale locally. would this be a good choice? i googled it up and it seems like people talk about them on the ipsc related forums but not as much as the far pricier benelli or other shotguns. locally i can get one for 300 with a synthetic stock, don't know the story behind it yet though. it looks pretty good though.
my situation: i was getting ready to buy an AR lower to have one 'just in case' so i could be ready to build/own my first centerfire long gun. i saw some rifle matches locally and figured it'd be good to start slowly putting one together. however, if 300 for this shotgun is a really good deal (seems like it based on gunbroker prices) i may just buy a stripped lower for now and reaaaalllly take my time on the AR, lol.
there's also a ruger mini-14 for $450 with a 185 prefix (1989 i believe) that feels pretty tight and is in pretty to very good condition.
i figure that whatever i do (like the 1100 and mini-14 now, or just the 1100)... if i don't build an AR now, i can always buy a stripped lower to build next year...
what do you guys think?
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don't do the mini...you'll end up doing an AR anyway...
the 1100 doesn't seem too bad as a base..1100 seem to need a little more maintenance..but do run really nice.
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yeah... seems like AR is where everyone is at nowadays. i'm over at ar15.com trying to read stuff to see what i'll need to buy... everyone i shoot with keeps telling me that building one is the only way to go. i'm just dreading that $1k price tag, lol.
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depends what you go with...
for sure..get yourself a RRA or DPMS lower..
if you go optic..that's the price tag..
poke around brianenos...you sometimes can find pretty good deals there...
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i would definitely stay in the limited division...
i was just double checking the uspsa shotgun rules... seems like all i would really "need" is a choate magazine extension tube so i can hold 9 in the gun.
call me stupid, but there's no real chrono or power factor for shotguns, other than being minimum 20 gauge, right? that's what i seem to be gathering from the rulebook.
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yeah..
usual targets are steel, clay birds and slugs on paper..
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cool. sounds like even if i end up not really doing 3-gun, the seller appears to be a duck hunter - so there's always hunting season. :)
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Generally speaking...... Duck guns are some of the harder used shotguns in the hunting world. I'd check it over pretty well before buying.
I love my 1100's, but admit I've never really built one up to go 3gunning. I have shot a lot of clays and birds with mine, with few problems. Like Eerw was saying, they require a little more maintenance (keep them kinda clean, and replace gas rings at first sign of trouble, or before anything important), but I think they are pretty decent scatterguns.
And +1 on skipping the Mini-14.... those things suck. You seem to be fairly mechanically inclined, so I imagine you would have no problems building an AR (they are really simple). Watch AR15.com EE, and Benos for deals on parts, and go from there.
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what's "EE"?
yeah, i'll pass on the ruger. it's money that can go towards 3-gun shell holders and AR mag holsters, lol. not to mention ammo or a shotshell press.
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equipment exchange at AR15.com
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You can build for under $1000.00,just shop around for parts. The good thing about building is you don't have a lot of left over parts. ;). Go ahead and get the lower and parts kit, shop around and find a used or like new barrel then add the rest. By the end of January you'll have a complete gun. ;D
As for the 1100, see if you can get it for under $300.00---$250.00, 275.00? Add a Nordic tube and 3-gun gear side saddle and you will be good to go.
Good luck!!
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right now the main thing i'm looking for are lowers... the gun shops i go to don't have any, and understandably they don't have an ETA nor a price set for the lowers that are "expected" to arrive.
i think this will be my plan: my friend just got a wasr for kicks and he doesn't mind trying out 3-gun. no it's not the best rifle but not like we're competitive anyways. i'm going to try and get that 1100 shotgun and prep it for 3-gun. then he and i can share our long guns at matches. in the meanwhile, i'll try and buy a couple lowers and build them up slowly.
i'm going to try one more gun shop tomorrow afternoon that's supposed to have some where a friend of mine works.
i was over at del-tion here:
http://www.del-ton.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RKT100 (http://www.del-ton.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RKT100)
it seems like a good deal? i've been told by a couple guys it'll be good for my first AR build; just needs the +$80 upgrade to the RRA match trigger and a rear sight for the flat top upper. i'm still learning how these things go together though. i just need to see it in person once and then i'll be good, lol.
the shop has a brand new looking remington 11-48. i thought it would be awesome for $250. but then i googled it a few minutes ago and found they were a '49-'68 manufacture. lol. i haven't heard from the dude with the 1100 yet. :(
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almost forgot to mention...
friday night i was talking to a friend at the shop during my nightly inventory check. we started talking about shotguns and how hard a time i was having finding a remington 1100, especially one in my budget.
well well, lo and behold, turns out he had a disassembled 11-87 at home that's been hanging for months! he recently refinished the receiver and barrel, and also refinished the stocks in a dark matte. i remember being at his house earlier this year and seeing it in one of his closets (drying rack lol).
he invited me over and i brought pizza and drinks. we hand cleaned and polished every part to a like new finish, and put a couple new parts on it too. i got to see how the gun goes together and gets broken down, and got a lesson in field stripping and how to work the gun right.
after a few hours we hit the range and the thing shoots like a dream! best of all, it was well under my cheapo budget... good thing too, because i started buying up the accessories and my wallet is a little sore, LOL!
well, with this shotgun and my friend's AK, looks like i'll be able to give 3-gun a try first saturdays of the month! woo-hoo!
(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v369/220/50/509733842/n509733842_1071276_2970.jpg)
it had an extension tube on it already, but it only held 7. so i already coughed up 45 bucks for the longer tube, which was the only one available off the shelf. already out for delivery is a choate charging handle and an oversized competition carrier latch button. next up will be some sort of sling and shell carrier for the side, and some FO sights.
how do i know if the sight is a press-fit or a screw-in? i don't see anything about the front sight that looks like it would take a wrench...
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Good deal on the 11-87. Go with a 3-gun gear 8 round side-saddle, they make the best. The front site should unscrew. You can get a Hiviz at walmart that will have the right size screw. Don't worry to much about a sling or the charging handle,but you will need a E-Z loader button. ;)
Welcome to the world of 3-gun. ;D
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You might want to look into a barrel clamp to secure the end of the mag extension. There is a lot of stress on the threaded end of the original magazine tube and there are cases where the tube has been damaged by the unsupported weight of the mag extension.
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i have two of them. one of them is two seperate pieces with a screw in the middle... it kinda sucks because it doesn't sit right, as the mag tube is bigger than the barrel. i bought a nice U-shaped one with a full swivel at the bottom, but since the mag tube is bigger, the top won't close on the barrel. doh, lol. i'll figure something out later.
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The one I have is similar to this Tac-Star. The potion that clamps the barrel is substantially smaller to account for what you're seeing, so there is a definite up/down orientation. I put a double layer of electrical tape around the barrel to prevent scratching.
http://www.gunaccessories.com/TacticalShotgun/ShotgunAccessories/ShotgunAccessories.asp (http://www.gunaccessories.com/TacticalShotgun/ShotgunAccessories/ShotgunAccessories.asp)
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i bought a tac-star extension and it's just like that... that's a good idea with the electrical tape, i should've thought about that.
right now the gun is back with the seller - he took his own 11-87 apart and for some reason can't get his carrier to work right. i should be fitting the dave's metal works button and take a second shot at the barrel/tube clamp next week before my first 3-gun match.
thanks for the suggestions guys
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Really don't waste the money on a mini, i have had four and always thought i could "fix" them and make them shoot right, WRONG! This includes their new supertune tight shooting model, just walk away.
As for ar's, they work very well, and even the "cheap ones" will shoot very tight groups if you take your time putting them together. Of the ones i have, my two favorites are cheapies. My hunting one is a 16" ultralite, i built that weighs 6lb, 12ozs scoped. (3-9x50) It will do nickel size groups at 100yds with my poor eye sight. The other favorite is a 16" ss fluted bull barrel with a 4-12x40 on it it does interlocking groups at 100yd, this is a bench rifle that comes in just under 10lbs.
Don't let anybody tell you you need more than a 16" barrel, you don't. Both of these rifles shoot dead on to 300yds, and will knock down coyotes at 500yds. blue