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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ82 & CZ83 CLUB => Topic started by: RmeDad on April 28, 2009, 08:55:13 PM
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I have been communicating with Paul at designer grips, and he has indicated that if we can generate enough interest in his products, he would start manufacturing 82/83 grips for $30 (quite reasonable in my opinion). He has been making grips for Bersas (which is where I first became aware of his products) for some time and he offers a very wide variety of design and color. Look here for examples: Designer Grips (http://www.designergrips.com/)
Any interest ???
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I would buy a set for my CZ82. Looks like they are made from epoxy and glass. I bet they are very durable. I like the ones that are carbon fiber with clear epoxy resin.
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I'd consider buying a set...
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I'll take a set. We need at least three.
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Sorry guy's, my finances have just changed. I'll need to back out. The grips are nice though...hope your able to swing getting them molded and maybe I'll be back.
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I would buy a set for my CZ82. Looks like they are made from epoxy and glass. I bet they are very durable. I like the ones that are carbon fiber with clear epoxy resin.
Hi Guys,
It looks like we have enough interest that I will be creating a mold pretty soon. It's a fairly labor intensive process making the mold set and the silicone is pretty pricey also, so that is the reason that I have to have several probable orders. I'm not sure, but I believe I have a set that will be sent to me pretty soon. If not, I'll let you know so that you all can compare notes to see who has the newest looking grips to create the mold from.
And you're right, the grips are made of a high quality crystal clear epoxy and I reinforce them with at least 2 to 3 layers of a woven fiberglass cloth. For the stock grips that are thin plastic and hollow, I fill in the back side of the grip to make it even stronger, making sure that it doesn't interfere with any of the workings of the gun. And I believe I am the only epoxy grip maker who uses a 2-piece mold for both the front and the back, so that there is no need to do any "fitting" of the grip to the gun. They should all set right in place just like the originals.
You can look at my site at designergrips (http://www.designergrips.com) to see if there are any styles you like on any of the other gun models. And I hope to be making some for you all soon.
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Hi guys,
Thanks to RmeDad I now have a mold of the CZ-82 ready. This is the design that he requested, but if you go to my site Designergrips.com (http://www.designergrips.com) any of the designs of the other makes of guns can be adapted to the CZ 82.
Thanks
(http://www.designergrips.com/photos/cz_82_gold.jpg)
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Here's another in Carbon Fiber
(http://www.designergrips.com/photos/cz_82_cf.jpg)
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Now that you have the molds, can you make rubber grips?
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Sorry, but my grips are made of an epoxy and I don't have any kind of flexible material.
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Hi Digital Shooter:
If I were your paid strategy consultant, I would suggest that your competencies seem to be in 1) creating suitable molds; and 2) customizing the materials to customer requirements.
My suggestion is stay away from direct head on competition with established makers. Offer what they don't. Such as your carbon fiber, glass fiber, etc. Good move. But think of other materials where you can leverage your mold making/fitting skills. Some want highly customized fancy grips and will pay for them. Others want simple knurled soft rubber--which seems to be difficult to find. So don't think about what you can't do, but think about what you can do if the market asks.
And to that, I think you have a niche market for custom fit soft rubber grips for high volume milsurp pistols--pa63, p64, cz82, tokarov, etc. I often see posts asking for them, but never see them sold. I think you already did the hard part--fabricate the mold. Now just experiment with rubber and I think you will be surprised at the quality you can produce and the amount you could sell...
Good luck!
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Great advice. I'll be doing a lot of thinking and research into rubberized grips.
Thanks
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Digital Shooter - Can you give me a quote for the price and delivery date of a set of the pictured blue carbon fiber grips for my CZ-82 and one for my FEG PA-63?
They look AMAZING!
Thanks,
Rick
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Digitalshooter.I would be happy with a set of black plastic checkered grips..made of whatever you make them of...tell me where to get them...puuulleaseee..thanks...Bob
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His site is http://www.designergrips.com/ (http://www.designergrips.com/)
FWIW, He gets positive reviews on the bersatalk forums as well.
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I can attest to his GREAT customer service! IMO, he went the extra mile to satisfy me with a great pair of grips!
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I bit the bullet on a pair of the black carbon fiber grips from Paul. I should be getting them soon.
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The carbon fiber grips from Paul look great on my nickel CZ 83. I should post some pics but I think my batteries are dead in the camera (plus, I'm not quite sure how to post pics on this site). Anyway, take it from me, they do look really sharp.
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I'll try to post a pic. The glare does not give the the actual grips justice. I'm very pleased with Paul's workmanship.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/gusso/newgrips.jpg)
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BTW, very fast delivery of product (less than a week).
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Those are super nice. :o Great work. I may have to look into getting a set.
Jason 8)
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Hey, thanks for the good words, guys.
I guess I'm a member of the club now because today I went out and picked up an 82. I've been a bit hamstrung by not being able to test each grip and fine tune them, so from now on I hope I'll be able to get them to fit perfectly when they arrive.
I have heard that there have been at least 5 changes in the fit of the grips during the years, and I have personally seen three different designs, but eventually I hope to get something that will work well on all of them. And I have a set of new 83 grips on backorder which should help tremendously when they come in.
Thanks,
Paul
designergrips.com (http://www.designergrips.com)
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Hey, czgusso, that is very nice looking. Good choice with the nickle finish.
Paul, welcome!!! I still have to finish the blackening on my second CZ 82 before posting a picture here with the new grips. I should have been done by now but I ran out of the blackening solution.
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Sounds interesting. Show us some pics of your work when you get through. I have an 82 that I need to refinish.
Jason 8)
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Sounds interesting. Show us some pics of your work when you get through. I have an 82 that I need to refinish.
If you are thinking about refinishing, you can read a thread (w/ pics!) on a different forum about my experience: http://hipointtalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5581 (http://hipointtalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5581)
If you are thinking about new grips, you can read about my experiences with Designer Grips: http://hipointtalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6092 (http://hipointtalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6092)
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Here is the latest grip I created. It is a hybrid fabric of carbon fiber running one direction and Kevlar running the other. The Kevlar is a real bear to work with, so I don't know if I'll create any more, but thought you all might be interested in it.
(http://www.designergrips.com/samples/CZ/images/82_kevlar.jpg)
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Very cool.
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Only thing I can say is: WOW!
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Paul,
Great looking grips! I am trying to figure out what I will order: one pair for a CZ83 and one pair for a CZ75B. On your grips for the CZ75B, how do they compare in thickness to the factory grips? From the pics they look like they might be a bit thinner - a good thing in my mind. Also, I am thinking about either the gold powder or the faux walnut for the CZ83. On your website the gold powder look almost like a teak colored wood. Are they really gold in appearance and can a wood grain be added to the gold powder? Can you add texture to any material?
Thanks so much for your producing grips to meet our needs. I do plan to send you an order as soon as I figure out what I want. Both of my CZ's are stainless finish and I am try to figure out what will look best on that color base.
Out West
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The 75B grips in their natural state are exactly the same as the factory grips. I am able though, to grind the texture off of the grips and polish them smooth, which would make them thinner. My only concern with that is that is keeping the screw head from sticking out uncomfortably.
The gold powder really is a gold colored metal powder. It doesn't quite have the identical look of a solid metal, since it is an emulsion of a clear liquid (epoxy) and microscopic grains of metal, but it does come fairly close. And I'm not sure how well the gold powder would mix with the colored epoxy. The gold powder emulsion has some real funky properties, such that the tiniest amount of powder tends to mix itself throughout the entire mixture. It might tend to overpower any other color.
And I'm not real clear on the texture question. The checkering is there from the molding process of the original. It is either that, or a slick polished effect.
Thanks
Paul,
Great looking grips! I am trying to figure out what I will order: one pair for a CZ83 and one pair for a CZ75B. On your grips for the CZ75B, how do they compare in thickness to the factory grips? From the pics they look like they might be a bit thinner - a good thing in my mind. Also, I am thinking about either the gold powder or the faux walnut for the CZ83. On your website the gold powder look almost like a teak colored wood. Are they really gold in appearance and can a wood grain be added to the gold powder? Can you add texture to any material?
Thanks so much for your producing grips to meet our needs. I do plan to send you an order as soon as I figure out what I want. Both of my CZ's are stainless finish and I am try to figure out what will look best on that color base.
Out West
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Here is the other set of faux walnut grips from Paul. I didn't want to take a pic until I had the refinish completed.
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj223/grim_sweeper/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMTguanBn.jpg)
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Thought I'd share with you the outstanding service that Paul at Designer Grips (www.designergrips.com (http://www.designergrips.com)) recently provided. I wanted some way of immediately differentiating between my CZ82 (9mm Mak) and CZ 83 (.380) pistols under low light conditions.
This gave me the excuse to order a set of grips from Paul. I've been following some of the postings about his grips and decided to go for it. A different color of grips would provide the easy ID feature I wanted. The faux burl walnut seemed to fit the bill; sufficiently different in color from the factory black grips while at the same time keeping a somewhat "standard issue" appearance.
I ordered the grips on a Friday, and Paul worked on them over the weekend so he could ship on Monday. I don't know where else you can get that kind of service! He even sent some photos of them just before shipping.
The grips look great and fit the CZ 83 perfectly. I also tried them on the two CZ 82's and they fit those pistols perfectly. Although they are plastic, they seem more solid than the factory grips.
If I can figure out how to post photos of the grips I will do so.
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I've been thinking about replacing my "lost" CZ 83, but had been putting it off. Now that I see these grips I'm convinced that my life is not complete without another one. Do any of you know where I might find a nickel CZ 83 in 9 x 18?
This is the beauty I traded off and now regret:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/ottonsure/MynewNickelCZ832.jpg)
Otto
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Otto, that one is nice. Sorry you "lost" your nickle 83 Mak. I picked up an 82 Mak & 83 380acp not too long ago. I ended up selling my Beretta 84BB because the CZ's fit my hands better. I think they are nicer looking too! ;D I will keep an eye out for you and let you know if I run across one.
Jason 8)
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Jason you are a pard to ride the river with!
Otto