The Original CZ Forum
GENERAL => CZ Custom => Topic started by: BillC523 on August 17, 2009, 01:08:24 PM
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Angus, I became impatient, dry fired a pcr 600-700 times with a rubber grommet below the fireing pin and hammer. Got the gritty-ness out of single action, but has long creep before hammer fall. Double action trigger pull is very heavy initually, gets better midway and stacks-up at end of pull.
Here's my concern. I removed the slide from the frame, squirted liquid brasso on and into the trigger and hammer assembly, dry fired 150 + times. Then purged (as much as possible) with WD-1040. Some of the Brasso is visible between the trigger and hammer assembly. Did however lub with Remington spray lubricant. I have been told by a gun dealer that WD-40 was the worse thing I could put on it, because it would gum-up the action.
I am very concerned about this and the remaining Brasso as well. What can I do to remedy this situation? I hope it is a simple solution!
I will be forever gratefull for giving me a solution to help me correct this stupid thing I did.
Bill
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Hey, any comments from you experienced fellows on this problem would be appreciated also.
Bill
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My experience in achieving a wonderful trigger...send your gun to Angus and let him install a competition hammer and perform the accompanying trigger job and you will think it is the best $ spent on gun improvements. If you want to go a step further have him remove the FPB and actuating lever and and install a lighter mainspring then you will have the PERFECT DA/SA trigger on the planet.
Just out of curiosity, how did you come up with the Brasso/WD-40 treatment?
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SHOOTERDUDE< Guess it must be my creative ability.
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Strip the gun including the grips. Spray it liberally with Gunscrubber, preferably the polymer safe version. Re lube with a good quality gun oil (Remington is fine) and re-assemble. If you are really worried, take to a gunsmith and ask him/her to do a detail strip and cleaning.
(http://www.stalkersuk.com/images/gun%20scrubber.jpg)
(https://shop.pbaimports.com.au/images/birchwood_casey_gun_scrubber.jpg)
It's unlikely that you've done any damage that can't be fixed.
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I use the Break Free brand gun cleaner then CLP to lube the action but I think spray cleaners are the same for metal guns.
I also use a bit of Tri-flow lubricant on the slide rails which seems to work nicely for smoothing out the racking.
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2nd vote on break free and REALLY wondering where the brasso idea could even fit into a gun with no brass in it.
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gunscrubber or brake cleaner and spray it get everything out of the gun.
then relube with breakfree or similar.
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Stuart, Brake cleaner in easy to find and close to where I live. will it do as good a job as gun scrubber?
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when I have used it..it gets all grease, gun and crap out of the gun..I usually douse it really really well..and it gets me down to dry metal..then you can relube and grease.
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Brasso is a superfine abrasive. As said above, gun scrubber or brake cleaner should get most of it out. As to what your gunsmith said about WD-40, I sort of question that. I used it for years before Break-free was available, and I don't know of any ill effects from it. Might be a problem if you just laid it up for years with WD-40 on it, but I would have to see that damage to believe it.
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Since WD40 leaves no residue when it evaporates I'm not sure how a gunsmith would think it could gum up anything. There are now products like CLP's that are considerably better for gun use so I no longer use WD on my guns either but I do buy it by the gallon for other uses and did use it for 30+ years. Not knowing your gunsmith I would not put him in any catagory but I'm always leary of those guys that have a quick answer on what not to use. Seems they are either totally wrong in general about a lot of things or they are trying to sell something.
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I can't imagine WD-40 being the best thing to clean out the brasso, but I can't imagine it would gum up the action either. In my experience, the only times I would advise not using WD-40 is if it would strip out any grease (as it contains some variety of mineral spirits) that you want in the mechanism.
From what I have read some people say that WD-40 is great to clean your firearms, other give a strong warning to stay away from it. I kinda fall in between, use it if you want, I seriously doubt it will harm anything, but make sure you let the WD-40 completely dry and use a good lubricant afterwards.
WD-40 does have some slight lubricating properties to it and works great on squeaky hinges or a rusty bicycle chain. But I would not trust it to protect my firearms from the heavy friction involved in the firing action. In WD-40's website (http://www.wd40.com/faqs/#q9) under their faq they say it is safe for use on firearms. This may be true, but I want a good CLP designed specifically for firearms. I don't think you have done anything terrible by using WD-40. I honestly would be more worried about getting the rest of that brasso out.
WD-40 does have many uses. I use in on plastic flairs and in the wheel wells on my jeep to keep mud from sticking to them.
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Well, here's my 2 peso's worth.
First, if a CZ service pistol will sustain lasting damage from a little brass polish I'll eat my hat, heck I'll even eat your hat.
Second, no amount of dry firing is ever going to make a lousy trigger into a good one. This topic seems to come up often. Dry firing will eventually take a little of the "grit" out but mostly it'll just make your finger tired; a lousy trigger is a lousy trigger no matter what. If you want a good trigger you need a trigger job. There really is no shortcut.
Third, don't sweat your idea of using Brasso. Every shooter on this forum has pulled a stunt or three that we don't really want to admit. ;D I admire the fact that you actually posted a "what have I done?" message.
Clean it out, re-lube it, and go to the range and have fun.
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You might not want to use Gun Scrubber. It's got a bleaching agent in it.
CLP Powder Blast would be best to blow it all out of the nooks and crannies. Then just relube it as if you thoroughly cleaned it following the firing of the nastiest ammo on the market.
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You might not want to use Gun Scrubber. It's got a bleaching agent in it.
what where we just saying????
"GUN SCRUBBER Synthetic Safe Cleaner cleans fast and will not harm plastic, wood, laminates, composites, rubber grips or any other material used in the construction of today's firearms. Even camo finishes are completely safe when you choose GUN SCRUBBER Synthetic Safe Cleaner."
33227-GSA4 (link on the birchwood casey web site) is the MSDA for gun scrubber with no mention of any bleaching agent.
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You might not want to use Gun Scrubber. It's got a bleaching agent in it.
CLP Powder Blast would be best to blow it all out of the nooks and crannies. Then just relube it as if you thoroughly cleaned it following the firing of the nastiest ammo on the market.
guess we better write the makers of "gun scrubber" and find out their answers! ;)