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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CLUB CZ97 => Topic started by: wworld00 on February 18, 2007, 12:05:17 AM

Title: Extended slide release
Post by: wworld00 on February 18, 2007, 12:05:17 AM
I really like my 97B.  I've had it for about 4 years and it fits my hand well while shooting, but I can't reach the slide release with my thumb.  

Does anyone know of a shop who makes an extended slide release for the 97B?  That would make it perfect for me.  

Thanks,
Wayne

Title: Extended slide release
Post by: sjbrook on February 27, 2007, 08:05:11 PM
I swapped the slide release with my 9mm Witness.  The parts are interchangeable and the Witness's is longer.
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on February 27, 2007, 09:45:05 PM
Is your 9mm Witness a FULL-SIZE witness or one with the small frame?

When I've used a Witness slide stop in a CZ in the past, it would NOT lock back the slide.  Does yours?
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: sjbrook on February 28, 2007, 06:52:53 AM
It's a small frame (9mm/40).  A CDNN target special from a few years ago (although I swapped in a non-ported barrel - not enough recoil reduction in the ported to offset the filth that collect on/in the slide ports).

No function issues with either gun after the swap.
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: ndurso on March 02, 2007, 11:08:12 AM
Do none of the CZ parts work?  Like the slide release from the p-01?
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: wworld00 on May 02, 2007, 06:43:57 PM
Thanks for the replies all.  Any more ideas?  I don't have a small frame witness 9mm lying around to switch with.  I suppose I could order one, but without trying it first I don't know if I could reach that one either.  

I emailed CZ who said they do not make an extended slide release for the 97B, and offered no other suggestions.  Could I have one made somewhere?  Does anyone do that type of thing?  

Thanks again.  

Title: Extended slide release
Post by: Otto N Sure on May 02, 2007, 11:15:08 PM
I know this may sound like a crazy idea, but try adding a small piece of metal with JB Weld.  The stuff is amazing and you could then file down the profile to meet  your needs.

Otto
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: Matthew Wheeler on May 03, 2007, 12:29:18 PM
I run and Sp01 slide release on my 97.  Same as the p01.
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: wworld00 on May 08, 2007, 04:03:57 PM
Matthew:  

Thanks for that info.  About how much does it add to the release?  

Wayne
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: prickett on May 08, 2007, 06:45:55 PM
Don't forget that you can also release the slide by pulling back on it then letting it go.  

No fuss, no muss, no extended slide release required ;-)
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on May 09, 2007, 03:11:43 PM
Don't forget that you can also release the slide by pulling back on it then letting it go.

No fuss, no muss, no extended slide release required ;-)

Yes.  A good thing to practice.  But its NOT as fast as using the slide release, which is important in competition.
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: prickett on May 09, 2007, 07:23:01 PM
>> But its NOT as fast as using the slide release

It is if you can't reach the release :-)

But, good point.
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: Matthew Wheeler on May 10, 2007, 12:51:22 PM
It adds an 1/8 or so.  I only use in cases where slamming a fresh, fully loaded mag did not make the slide go home.  Nothing faster than that IMO.

Matt
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on May 10, 2007, 02:55:59 PM
It is if you can't reach the release.


Still isn't, as you have to lower or raise the gun to properly grasp the slide.

You can release the slide with your off hand, as part oft he mag exchange cycle. (I've learned to do it for competition, on those guns that don't have "friendly" slide stops.)

What you try to do is keep the gun up near your face, between you and the target, so that you don't really have to look away too far.

Slamming the mag home and moving your off-hand on up, and using all of your finger tips to find the release and depress can be very fast -- and foolproof. After hitting the release with the "claw" made of your fingertips, the hand then drops down and you use your normal two-handed grip.

On the slingshot method:

One of the pro shooters I've talked with [he was an instructor in some of our IDPA group's classes] is now working with Special Ops guys at Fort Bragg.

He says they do NOT train combat troops to use the slingshot method any more, as they find they're having problems with the guns not going properly into battery. He advocates using the slide stop/slide release.
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: wworld00 on May 12, 2007, 05:37:29 PM
I looked at the pics on the CZ site and it does appear that the SP-01 release is longer.  CZ sells them for about $35, so I'll order one and let you guys know how it works out.  

Thanks!

Title: Extended slide release
Post by: prickett on August 01, 2007, 08:05:46 PM
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I looked at the pics on the CZ site and it does appear that the SP-01 release is longer. CZ sells them for about $35, so I'll order one and let you guys know how it works out.


Did you ever do this?  If so, how'd it work out?
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: wworld00 on November 21, 2007, 08:25:00 PM
Sorry all.  I was away from the board (and my CZ) for a while.  I'm now able to order the other slide release and I will report back.
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on November 22, 2007, 06:15:50 AM
And, when slingshoting, you must take the gun farther off target... But its still a good skill to practice.

As noted above, they are now teaching troops to use the slide release (while making them familiar with the slingshot method), as they've found that under pressure (in combat) that the slingshot sometimes doesn't let the slide go home with full force -- which then forces them to use the clearance drill. The old technique has created problems for troops in combat. Wearing gloves might make it worse.

(I'm sure this type of "new" thinking will be treated as sacrilege by many of the old timers -- but its based on real world results.)

I would think that a properly-shapped piece of metal, attached with JB Weld, might work pretty well...  Getting that piece to fit right would be the real issue.  (I do have an extended slide stop for a standard CZ, but don't know whether it would work in a 97B as the widths of the frame might be too different.  I no longer have a 97B.  It was too big for my hand.)
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: Jeff Bergquist on November 23, 2007, 06:25:42 PM
I believe slide stops for the standard CZs will work on the 97B. At least the one on my 97B is dimensionally identical to the one on my 75B SA in .40.
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: wworld00 on December 05, 2007, 09:07:27 PM
Emailed CZ after last reply - no answer yet. Any idea how else to proceed?
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on December 06, 2007, 07:49:02 AM
Yeah.  Call their 800 number.  Email with CZ-USA, unless addressed to a particular person, is a hit-and-miss proposition.  (Shouldn't be, but it is.)
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: wworld00 on January 06, 2008, 11:55:05 AM
  Thanks Walt, I'll do that.    
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: shooterdude on July 09, 2008, 06:01:27 PM
I called CZ-USA and they sold me the slide release for the SP-01 with the edges ground down a bit to fit the 97B properly.  They only charged the regular price for the part--$35.00

That is impressive customer service!
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: prickett on July 11, 2008, 06:13:04 PM
how much longer is the sp01 release than the original 97's?
Title: Extended slide release
Post by: shooterdude on July 11, 2008, 07:52:18 PM
Quote from: prickett
how much longer is the sp01 release than the original 97's?
 

It is about 5 mm longer.  It makes a huge difference.

 


 

You can see pictures of it here:  http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com?topic=18422

Title: Re: Extended slide release
Post by: Fordzilla on August 28, 2008, 02:08:03 PM
Quote from: Walt Sherrill on November 22, 2007, 06:15:50 AM


As noted above, they are now teaching troops to use the slide release (while making them familiar with the slingshot method), as they've found that under pressure (in combat) that the slingshot sometimes doesn't let the slide go home with full force -- which then forces them to use the clearance drill. The old technique has created problems for troops in combat. Wearing gloves might make it worse.

(I'm sure this type of "new" thinking will be treated as sacrilege by many of the old timers -- but its based on real world results.)



     Something doesn't smell right here... I've used the slingshot technique for almost 20 years and have never had a problem.  Retracting the slide and releasing definitely imparts more forward inertia on the slide than simply thumbing the release.  Perhaps these troops have been trained to "pinch" the slide with the thumb and forefinger... which could lead to a less than secure grip on the slide.  We train our troops to use an overhand grip, which allows the most strength to be delivered to the process: the strength of the gun hand can even drive forward as the off hand rips the slide rearward.  We've found this technique works even for small statured women who have trouble retracting the slide the other way. 
     The gun is far more likely to fail to go fully into battery while simply thumbing the slide release.
Title: Re: Extended slide release
Post by: SxysCowboy on September 03, 2008, 08:41:07 PM
i called today about a slide release for my 97b and the guy told me an spo1 would not work and there was no way to modify it to work....??? i ordered one anyhow can anyone tell me what has to be ground down to make it fit? i'll just make these mods on my own
Title: Re: Extended slide release
Post by: shooterdude on September 04, 2008, 10:25:09 AM
Quote from: wworld00 on May 12, 2007, 05:37:29 PM
I looked at the pics on the CZ site and it does appear that the SP-01 release is longer.  CZ sells them for about $35, so I'll order one and let you guys know how it works out. 

Thanks!



That is exactly what I did for my 97.  Tell them it is for a 97 and they will reshape the edge to fit the gun perfectly for no extra charge.    Look here for pictures and a description:  http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?topic=18422.0
Title: Re: Extended slide release
Post by: SxysCowboy on September 04, 2008, 07:15:55 PM
i told them i wanted an spo1 release fitted to a 97b and they flat out told me there was no way???  is there any pics around here where the reshaping needs to be done and i'll just do it myself?