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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Curio and Relic CZs => Topic started by: cm on March 24, 2011, 06:13:19 AM

Title: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: cm on March 24, 2011, 06:13:19 AM: I got one pistol marked "CZ26" and the SN is 26407. Is it CZ-26 or CZ-24?
Could it be identified just by the looking? pls help, thanks.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5018/5555014651_b27221cd1f.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5027/5555014623_3510ce482d.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: painter on March 24, 2011, 07:56:22 AM: I'm no expert, but from the images I can find on line it looks like a 26.

What caliber is it?

edit...

http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com/topic/16482 (http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com/topic/16482)

might give you more insight.
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: miguel on March 24, 2011, 12:12:47 PM: It's a Czech army pistol vz. 24, probably made in 1926. It is 9mm army pistol, the difference between vz. 27 and vz. 24 is in the ammo (vz. 27 has 7.65mm). About 180 000 of these pistols were made since 1924 to 1938.

I think there was no vz. 26. In 1928, some amount of modernised Vz. 24 were made for Poland, with slightly different height, due to the higher capacity of magazine. Vz. 28 is very rare (hundreds of pieces).
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: painter on March 24, 2011, 05:51:13 PM: Quote from: miguel on March 24, 2011, 12:12:47 PM
It's a Czech army pistol vz. 24, probably made in 1926. It is 9mm army pistol, the difference between vz. 27 and vz. 24 is in the ammo (vz. 27 has 7.65mm). About 180 000 of these pistols were made since 1924 to 1938.

I think there was no vz. 26. In 1928, some amount of modernised Vz. 24 were made for Poland, with slightly different height, due to the higher capacity of magazine. Vz. 28 is very rare (hundreds of pieces).

From the article I linked to...

Notable handguns of this period included the vz-26 and vz-27 series. The vz-26 is incredibly rare; it is essentially a locked, rotating barrel version of the vz-22/vz-24 series pistol. The vz-26 was also chambered in .380 ACP., but it did not enter regular production. Apparently, all known vz-26s were made at the Prague plant.
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: cm on March 24, 2011, 09:44:41 PM: I just measured, the calibre is 7.65mm. ::) Odd...
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: miguel on March 25, 2011, 01:15:01 AM: Well, 7.65mm, in this case it will be better to see stripped pistol and detail of markings to solve this problem.
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: skucera on March 25, 2011, 01:28:10 AM: Looks like a CZ 24, especially in .32 ACP.

Scott
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: cm on March 25, 2011, 11:32:25 AM: skucera, cz24 not all in .38?
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: skucera on March 28, 2011, 01:15:05 AM: Maybe my reply was a bit terse. Sorry. :)

CZ 24's were made in several calibers. The most common were 7.65mm (a.k.a. .32 ACP) and 9mm Kurz (a.k.a. .380 or 9 Short or lots of other names). I saw one on a web site once in .22 rimfire. The differentiating design details are a rounded contour to the slide cross-section (instead of the CZ 27's slab-sided slide) and a gentler curve to the underside of the slide where it transitions into the trigger guard than the earlier pistols had, like the CZ 22. CZ 22's are really rare, and I've never actually seen one with my own eyes.

CZ 27's often have names other than "CZ" on them, and often have Nazi acceptance stamps on them. They often have white paint in the stampings, which makes an odd contrast with the gray or black finish on the pistols. That white paint seems to last better than the original parkerizing or bluing.

Someday, after I get the kids through college, I want to start collecting all these old CZ pistols. I envy you folks who can do it now.

Scott
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: mp517prct on March 28, 2011, 04:33:50 AM: The vz-26 is incredibly rare; it is essentially a locked, rotating barrel version of the vz-22/vz-24 series pistol.

I own two vz.24 pistols, both are locked breach, rotating barrels. The precursor to the vz.22 was designed by a mauser employee named Josef Nickl, it was originally designed to fire 9mm Parabellum, hence the locked breach.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/chex/cz-vz22-vz24-e.html (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/chex/cz-vz22-vz24-e.html)

I think the author of Overview of Ceska Zbrojovka History and Handgun Production got it backwards, vz.26 is a blowback, fixed barrel version of the vz.24 pistol. I'd also be willing to bet the vz.26 was more than likely a prototype for the vz.27
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: Otto N Sure on March 28, 2011, 08:18:00 PM: Here's a pic of my CZ 24 (heaven only knows who chrome plated it back in the day)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/ottonsure/CZ24001.jpg)

Yours appears identical to this one.

Otto
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: skucera on March 30, 2011, 12:28:31 AM: Quote from: mp517prct on March 28, 2011, 04:33:50 AM
I'd also be willing to bet the vz.26 was more than likely a prototype for the vz.27

That would make a lot of sense. I hadn't read anything like that, but it is very logical.

Scott
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: czechollector on March 30, 2011, 01:02:59 PM: I believe what you have is a model 24. I also have a Cz 24 that has the "C 'up arrow' 26" on the slide. The '26' is not the model designation as they didn't put model numbers on their pistols back then. I believe it's the production year.

Also a letter followed by a 'Lion' followed by a number(E LION 26) would be the year it was accepted into military service.

Look for a copy of 'Know your Czechoslovakian Pistols'. Lots of good info there. You can also Google Cz 24 for more.
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: Doublekay on January 30, 2019, 06:04:09 PM: Hello, I too am try to find out what I have. I am confused cause on one side it does have a 26 on the frame, but on the slide on the other side it has a 25. Not sure what caliber it is yet. I have searched hi and low for info but it is very scares and seem to be a little inconsistent. Pictures say a thousand words so let me try that if you all can tell me anything about them it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much guys, Kevin
(https://i.imgur.com/6BRWbBV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/66h3WMA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iHfsUq4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ic5lM2w.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/I2bvw4f.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/i7V1Ytt.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: eastman on January 30, 2019, 06:48:27 PM: Quote from: Doublekay on January 30, 2019, 06:04:09 PM
Hello, I too am try to find out what I have. I am confused cause on one side it does have a 26 on the frame, but on the slide on the other side it has a 25. Not sure what caliber it is yet. I have searched hi and low for info but it is very scares and seem to be a little inconsistent. Pictures say a thousand words so let me try that if you all can tell me anything about them it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much guys, Kevin
(https://i.imgur.com/6BRWbBV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/66h3WMA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iHfsUq4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ic5lM2w.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/I2bvw4f.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/i7V1Ytt.jpg)

looks like a vz 24, and is most likely chambered in 9mm Browning Short aka .380 ACP
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: Doublekay on January 30, 2019, 07:28:59 PM: So even though there are no marking with the number 24? Boy is that confusing with all the other numbers on this fine firearm. Any idea what the other marking reflect?
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: eastman on January 30, 2019, 08:50:50 PM: Year of Manufacture and Year of Military Acceptance
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: Doublekay on February 05, 2019, 07:08:53 PM: Quote from: eastman on January 30, 2019, 08:50:50 PM
Year of Manufacture and Year of Military Acceptance

Again I have looked but seem to see different info out there on what the marking mean. Do you have any incite as to what these specific ones mean from the pictures? Thanks again
Title: Re: Is this CZ-26?
Post by: eastman on February 24, 2019, 10:04:35 PM: Quote from: Doublekay on February 05, 2019, 07:08:53 PM
Quote from: eastman on January 30, 2019, 08:50:50 PM
Year of Manufacture and Year of Military Acceptance

Again I have looked but seem to see different info out there on what the marking mean. Do you have any incite as to what these specific ones mean from the pictures? Thanks again

According to Know Your Czechoslovakian Pistols, the J (Lion) 26 the military acceptance marking indicating a 1926 date.

The "8P 12" is 8th regiment, Infantry, weapon #12