Post by: ulflyer on May 08, 2005, 05:03:27 AM
Gonna sand the rough checkered grips down smooth to alleviate a slight irritation, although I think what bothered me most is the rather prominent serrated groves on the grip frame. Might try some tape over these next time just to see if it feels better.
Question on the bushing: should it be screwed in finger snug, then backed off one notch so as to have a little play?
Question on the front sight: Can a slightly taller one be had? I seemed to be shooting a tad high.
Post by: Boricua on May 08, 2005, 08:02:44 AM
Might try to replace the recoil spring with a stronger one. I use an 18lbs. in mine, it kicks no more than my other pistols.The bushing should be screwed in finger tight then backed off to the notch. Do you have a single notch bushing or the star one? After all my problems with a cracked slide I think the singles are better due to being timed correctly.
As far as sights check with Angus as he sells them. Are you sure it is not the way you are gripping the pistol?
Post by: KingPolymer-III on May 08, 2005, 11:27:08 AM
This may seem like a simplistic solution, but it worked wonders for me. I put a Hogue full size pistol slip on rubber grip and it worked wonders. These things are phenomenal, felt recoil was reduced at least 25%, but thats just me. For $10, you can't go wrong. Please try it. I did the same thing for my Glock 21.
Post by: ulflyer on May 08, 2005, 12:37:28 PM
Gotta order some stuff from Brownells soon for my 1911's so I'll get an 18 lb spring at same time.
Kingpolymer, will also give the rubber grip a try. I have one on my Smith 457 and it sure did help...I hadn't thot of trying it on the 97B because it already has such big handles. I am gonna sand the checkers off which will make them a bit thinner.
Post by: KingPolymer-III on May 08, 2005, 05:22:49 PM
Post by: Boricua on May 08, 2005, 08:53:37 PM
I would like to get grips like my 85B for my 97B. With that palm swell, the more of your hand that contacts the pistol the better the control will be. I am going to talk to our site grip maker and see what he thinks.
Post by: sanger00verdun on May 09, 2005, 11:51:47 AM
Post by: KingPolymer-III on May 09, 2005, 12:20:27 PM
Post by: kngflp on May 09, 2005, 06:01:14 PM
Post by: KingPolymer-III on May 09, 2005, 06:11:12 PM
All in all, I have to be honest, I can take any 1911 that I have in 45 and any Glock in 45, and the CZ97 edges them all out. Its a perfect 45. There is no doubt about it.
Glock and Smith & Wesson do a better job of marketing themselves and self promotion. CZ is a better weapon, but the marketing needs vast improvement.
Post by: BRASMAN on May 10, 2005, 02:17:30 AM
Post by: kamicosmos on May 10, 2005, 12:17:06 PM
Course, could be that I'm used to the 97 by now, but I remember being impressed with it's light recoil impulse when I first got it.
Post by: KingPolymer-III on May 10, 2005, 06:43:38 PM
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on May 10, 2005, 07:31:17 PM
The other part -- and its certainly a key component in the 97B's performance -- is that the darned things are frequently steel and HEAVY!
The 97B is Not a light gun.
Post by: KingPolymer-III on May 10, 2005, 07:36:57 PM
Post by: ulflyer on May 18, 2005, 05:00:56 PM
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on May 18, 2005, 06:43:27 PM
Shooting left sometimes means too much finger in the trigger guard. (Sometimes.)
Post by: ulflyer on May 19, 2005, 02:11:32 AM
Gonna move it back to about 15 yds...I think that will be about right for me. I have small hands and can't get as good a grip as I can with my 1911's, but it is a fine piece of machinery. I can see why CZ owners get hooked on them. Unfortunately I don't reload anything other than 38's and 45's so I can't go to a smaller frame CZ. If I should run into a deal like this one ($400 otd, dated 03) on a 9mm I would prob go for it just to see. I have everything but a set of dies to reload another caliber.
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on May 19, 2005, 04:21:04 AM
One thing you can do to improve the vision problem is get your optomitrist or opthamalogist to prescribe glasses (that you use for shooting only) that let you focus SOLELY on the front sight.
Mine, yesterday, suggested that I buy the cheap drug-store reading glasses that can do that. (In my case, he said that single-vision 1.25 diopter lenses would work and made a lot more economical sense than getting prescription lenses.)
Take something you can hold in your hand that approximates the location of the front sight and try out some different, inexpensive reading glasses. With me, I need to be able to focus at 24.5 inches...
One of the basic truths about shooting -- and its one that nobody really believes until its proved to them through experience -- is that its much, much more important to see the front sight clearly than to see the target. (The target can be a indistinct, fuzzy mass, and you'll still get good hits if you see the front sight clearly.) If that front sight's not clear, you really don't have a clue as to where the bullet's going...
You might find this site helpful, too, if you haven't already been there.
Target Diagnosis and Correction (http://www.bullseyepistol.com/training.htm)
Post by: KingPolymer-III on May 19, 2005, 04:27:45 AM
I have practiced and trained with championship combat bullseye shooters and I can tell you that no truer words have been spoken. If you can combine good trigger control with the above quoted statement, you have it made.
Post by: ulflyer on May 19, 2005, 05:25:14 AM
The CZ sight is ok now that I painted the front one orange.
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on May 19, 2005, 03:10:15 PM
My suggestion to use reading glasses was not the hare-brained idea of another dumb redneck...
Suspend disbelief for at least one trip to the range, try using some new, inexpensive readying glasses, and see if you don't shoot better!
I made that recommendations after watching a number of guys at our local range improve dramatically. They did it based on the advice of a couple of local opthamalogist who specializes in sports medicine. I talked to them, and then I talked to their eye specialists. The one I worked with suggested that for me and for a number of shooters at our local IDPA club.
It works.
On a related note: there's just no way practical way to make tri-focals work in shooting unless you're doing nothing but SLOW FIRE at a fixed, unvarying distance. If you go that route, you'll spend so much time trying to line up and look through the right part of your glasses, you'll never get off a shot. Single focal length lens makes it far easier.
Top notch shooters, especially BULLSEYE shooters, preach that you should FOCUS ON THE FRONT SIGHT. There's a reason for that. You don't need to see the target clearly, but its critical that you see the front sight clearly. A fraction of an inch misalignment at the pistol-end translates to VERY BIG ERRORS at the target end...
Your current reading glasses sound as though 1) they won't work, and 2) probably are no longer right for you eyes. (My optician made the point, yesterday, that as your eyes age, you're forced to pull reading material closer and closer. Sounds like that's what's happening to you. You ought not have to do that. If your glasses are right, you'd not have to do look at things, "close up."
Buy a pair of cheap reading glasses at the drugstore, and take them to the range. Find some that let you focus on something that is the same distance as the front sight of your gun. Its an easy test.
With that second effort, I'll shut up and say no more.
Post by: ulflyer on May 19, 2005, 04:36:55 PM
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on May 19, 2005, 05:52:38 PM
I think I paid $75 for the darned thing, and it DOES work. Sort of like having a good peep sight attached to your glasses.
(Mine has an adjustable aperture, which is why its so expensive. Other, less expensive versions, aren't adjustable.)
It sounds as though your reading glasses are the WRONG strength for what you need, and are forcing you to focus too closely.
Post by: Justice4all on July 12, 2005, 07:05:21 PM
Anyways, he's got the same floaters and has to wear trifocals and is finding the going getting tougher. I ordered him one of these to try before going to the more expensive unit:
www.midwayusa.com/eproduc...mid=936878 (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=936878)
He said that this made a world of difference in how well he can focus on the front sight and reduced eye strain. I may try it myself.
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on July 12, 2005, 07:15:15 PM
It allows you to see the front sight, rear sight and target at the same time -- and it won't work well with trifocals. It'll do best with a single-focal length set of glasses.
Post by: dgludwig on July 22, 2005, 08:21:57 PM
The device works like the aperature in a camera and can be adjusted to accomodate your particular situation. It afixes to your glasses with a tiny suction cup and does take a little time to get used to. It's probably not for everybody but it made a very real positive difference in my scores.
Post by: ulflyer on July 23, 2005, 02:38:49 AM