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CZ LONG ARMS => VZ-58 semi auto rifle => Topic started by: DMcFaul on September 24, 2011, 08:12:54 PM
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Look at what we found in the back of the warehouse.. a whole box of Gen II railed handguards for the VZ.
We have had a lot of people ask if these were ever going to be made again.. nope. But you're lucky, while supplies last there now available again. While we are sold out of the newest version sets, this find couldn't have come at a better time!
$100+ Shipping.
We have individual lowers in stock direct, but no sets.
http://northeasternarms.com/accessories/cz-858-vz-58/vz-genii-lower (http://northeasternarms.com/accessories/cz-858-vz-58/vz-genii-lower)
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Nice! Those are very good looking lowers. 8)
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Dave - email sent regarding hand guard. Thx - felix
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Whoops! I ordered mine today.... Now I need to order an upper, don't think the fab upper will look right with this lower...
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Guys, my email box took a dump. There were a bunch of you here that were looking for handguards. Please shoot me another e-mail and we'll get you taken care of. My apologies.
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Email sent
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Dave - Thanks for the reply email.
Definally going to buy the upper HG but before I buy the lower handguard is there any Pros or Cons regarding the NEA Gen II handguard & the current NEA handguard being offered. Any feed-back by current users?
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The Gen 2 is slightly heavier, heats up more, and lacks the ability to easily mount rails on the side for accessories.
It does save you having to buy a rail segment if you want to mount a fore-grip.
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Added to the web store direct.
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I received my 2nd gen handguard the other day. It appears that in needs at least 1/8" material removed off the front of the handguard in order to fit. Anyone else run into this?
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What type of VZ do you have?
They should fit tight, but should not need to have any material removed. They are the same dimensionally as our current handguards and we have a pile of them in service. You may have to tap them in gently.
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Yea its a century :( everything else has been drop in, including the fab lower.... I'll try again tonight and see what we have.
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With the front edge of the rail in the ferrule, give the rear a smack with a rubber or brass hammer.
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Hahaha yeah I tried that Stevo.... It left 2 gouges in the handguard from the corners of the receiver that it was getting held up on... Was pretty tired when I did that though, I'll get a better look at it tonight
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New member. First post.
Rowe-75 -- Curios what your resolution to this was. I'm new to the VZ 58 via a VZ 2008, and purchased a new old stock Troy branded NEA kit and seem to have the same 1/8" or so that needs removed.
Comparing to the bakelite handguard that came with it (that handguard doesn't appear to have been filed or otherwise modified to fit), the length from front that goes into slot to start of the rear pin hole is nearly, if not exactly, identical.
The front slot portion seems to be identical on both of them as well. It appears to be the rear that needs material removed. Starting about 1/4 to 1/3rd of the way from top and removing material down in line w/ bottom of pin protrusion/end of the receiver (essentially to where handguard extends past receiver)... Or at least that's my initial eyeballing. Don't want to remove any material if I don't have to....
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Don`t do anything , you will ruin it .
I too have the Troy upper and lower kit . It fits correctly , but it takes a bit of patience to position the pin exactly on the correct angle and it will go in fine . Do not try to force the pin thru ... the pin`s size is very exact to the receiver hole and has to be in the exact correct angle to be inserted (that is the problem). Also the Troy piece is made of aluminum so if you force the pin you will deform it . It seems to me that Troy cut have had build the bleep piece with a little less exactitude so it would have some play on it and be a lot easier to put in ...!!!
The pin will get out easily , no problem there , but to get it in is kind of tricky . I studied the whole situation and got to the conclusion that removing material would ruin the part , so I just take it easy and I try it 2 or 3 times patiently until I get it right and I push it with the hand ... I recommend you do the same .
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Sounds like when I rebuilt a Getrag transmission from an old Peugeot when I was in High School...the valves in the valve body had such tight tolerances, it took at least 10 minutes to find the exact correct place to get these things back in.
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How'd you get the rail seated so that you can enter the pin?
Sorry if not clear -- don't think the pin alignment will be a problem. It looks to match.
The issue appears to be the handguard length and getting rail seated with gouging or warping it... Is there an easy way to adjust/loosen/remove the front handguard holder? It looked to me like a gas block removal was required...
If I don't touch anything on the front, approx 1/8" like this needs removed from the rear. The start of the red on the curve at is roughly where the rail's hitting the receiver and where if I removed material I think I'd need to (and sorry this is a rough web image marked up -- the rifle and rails are in the safe and don't want to wake the the wife to take a quick actual pic -- happy to in the next day or two though).
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Don't want to McGuyver and ruin the rails; that's why I'm asking -- most expensive rails I've ever purchased, but I really like this gun, so...
Look forward to advice on doing it proper. Thanks again!
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I must apologize ... My previous post was referring to the upper part of the Troy Kit on my D-Technik 58, not for the lower part . I have had no trouble at all installing the lower part . Maybe the VZ-2008s have different receiver specs somehow... ?
I was even able to install the original factory pin with the Troy handguard . The one that comes with the handguard is more difficult to install and if it is installed , it will be even more difficult to take out if it the need arises , so I tried the original pin and it fits perfectly . I shot 119 rds with it , and the pin is still perfectly seated with no movement or sliding ... nothing , so , as long as it doesn`t move , I will not touch it . If it gets loose some day (?) then I will replace it with the Troy pin .
I cannot give you advice on that problem , since I had no trouble with my lower handguard
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Was going through old posts and realize I never followed up. Here's what I did.
1. I used a file to remove 1/16" or so from the front lip of the lower rail (probably could have gone to 1/8" but I got tired of filing). 2. Added some grease to the rear rounded edges where the lower back portion of the rail contacts the receiver.
3. Used a hammer on the rear lip (the part that the pin goes through) to to tap the lower rail straight forward while applying gentle up pressure with my hands. After a few taps, it started to seat, and then I tapped from the bottom to move it up.
Tight fit. Works great. To remove, I remove the top rail and then use a hammer to tap on its top edge, which knocks it out.