The Original CZ Forum
GENERAL => Right to Keep and Bear Arms => Topic started by: JimThornTX on September 25, 2012, 09:38:42 AM
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"Unlike the reserved approach to politics that the traditional firearms lobby has taken, the new generation is outspoken, unashamed and willing to fight for what they believe. They are educated on the origins of the Second Amendment and the fundamental right to be free. They do not advocate for the Second Amendment as a right to hunt, rather they perceive it as a guaranteed ability to resist an oppressive government."
Read more here: http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/23/the-new-gun-culture/
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+++1 :)
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Jim:
You are so correct in that most Americans don't see the Second Amendment as the Right to stand-up to a Government turned Police State
Interesting that it's the Second, behind the Freedom of Speech
Owning a Gun for Plinking and Hunting is just a small part
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.....and not only that, but all Rights are given by the Almighty, not merely granted by (any) government.
What is granted by men can be taken away by men.
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I was reminded of a great American foundational statement ... "Governments don't have rights, they have powers given to them by the citizens."
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Thank you, I read the article.
I am a new handgun shooter, and probably do not fit the normal mold around this forum, so you can dislike me for it, or realize that not everyone is the same as you just because they shoot guns.
I am a Democrat
I do not blindly support the NRA
I am in IT and live in the populated east Coast.
If you want to expand beyond the 47%, as the article suggests, you may have to keep your mind open and flexible.
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Thank you, I read the article.
I am a new handgun shooter, and probably do not fit the normal mold around this forum, so you can dislike me for it, or realize that not everyone is the same as you just because they shoot guns.
I am a Democrat
I do not blindly support the NRA
I am in IT and live in the populated east Coast.
If you want to expand beyond the 47%, as the article suggests, you may have to keep your mind open and flexible.
I think you will find a little more political tolerance around here than you expect. The spectrum of gun owners is broadening, and I think BOTH major parties are going to have to make changes in the years ahead. I have voted for Democrats at every level from city to state, but not Presidential. I have been able to vote since 1998, and have been involved in firearms my entire life. Gun rights are my major political issue, and there has not been a "gun friendly" Democrat Presidential canidate as long as I have been able to vote.
Does that mean I blindly align myself with Republicans? No. I voted for George W. Bush twice, even though I disagreed with almost everything he stood for, he was the lesser of the two evils, IMHO. I have since moved to the Libertarian Party. In 2008, Bob Barr was the only Presidential canidate who had a concealed carry permit. This year I am voting for Gary Johnson, who is with out a doubt the most pro-gun (pro individual freedom, really) candidate on the ballot. I don't trust Mitt anymore than I trust Barry.
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+1 James
Thank you, I read the article.
I am a new handgun shooter, and probably do not fit the normal mold around this forum, so you can dislike me for it, or realize that not everyone is the same as you just because they shoot guns.
I am a Democrat
I do not blindly support the NRA
I am in IT and live in the populated east Coast.
If you want to expand beyond the 47%, as the article suggests, you may have to keep your mind open and flexible.
You enjoy owning and shooting your Firearms.....Think about this;
The Second Amendment is Number One on the Liberal?s Hit List
So I take it by your post, that when the Authorities arrive at your door, demanding your Firearms, you?ll proudly hand them over, take the pat on your back (with a nice ?that?s a good boy?) and say ?Thank you sir, may I have another !?
I don?t belong to, or advocate the NRA as the end all be all, but I also don?t believe members ?Blindly Follow?
As you yourself posted in quote;
?....keep your mind open and flexible.?
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There absolutely is a new culture.
I live in the sticks, and four years ago didn't feel a need to own any guns. Things change.
I own three four now, and if I was more flush financially I'd own many more.
I took up reloading to help defray the costs, and while that was a 'foolish expectation' it became a new hobby.
I've applied for my CHL, and when I get it there will be a pistol close by wherever it's legal.
Our country is a different place from when I grew up.
Not to make this a straight politics thread I don't trust any of the politicians..be they dems ,pubs or libs.
As I said things change
edited for math... :-[
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I get torn up over the matter. I don't trust either party or their "intentions" for our country. They all go play golf together on the weekends and went to law school together... I'm not sure there is a difference anymore.
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Thank you, I read the article.
I am a new handgun shooter, and probably do not fit the normal mold around this forum, so you can dislike me for it, or realize that not everyone is the same as you just because they shoot guns.
I am a Democrat
I do not blindly support the NRA
I am in IT and live in the populated east Coast.
If you want to expand beyond the 47%, as the article suggests, you may have to keep your mind open and flexible.
A east coast fellow tech geek eh? ;) I think you'll find that not everyone here is a die-hard Republican or even affiliates themselves with a political party at all. Personally, my views sit more in the middle (fiscally conservative with a real dislike for the social conservative/religious right), with the Libertarian party being the best match.
Hiker, I suspect we differ on a lot of things (in that I would never vote for Bush and spent 8 years embarrassed other people would :P), but +1 on supporting Gary Johnson. :) Too bad he doesn't stand more of a chance of getting elected.
Ultimately, we all have an appreciation for firearms and should be able to put our political differences aside. :)
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Thank you, I read the article.
I am a new handgun shooter, and probably do not fit the normal mold around this forum, so you can dislike me for it, or realize that not everyone is the same as you just because they shoot guns.
I am a Democrat
I do not blindly support the NRA
I am in IT and live in the populated east Coast.
If you want to expand beyond the 47%, as the article suggests, you may have to keep your mind open and flexible.
FWIW:
I bought my first handgun in 2008 but I still consider myself a novice shooter.
I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I am a Constitutional Conservative.
I do not blindly support the NRA. Especially after they endorsed the gun-grabbing Mitt Romney for President.
Born and raised in Texas. 4th generation Native Texan.
I keep my mind open and flexible to a point, but not so much that I stray from my Christian Conservative Constitutional beliefs.
I do know there are some gun-loving, blue collar, Conservative Democrats out there but they are very few and far between.
I don't automatically dislike someone because they are a Democrat. Everybody has the right to choose their political party.
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.....and not only that, but all Rights are given by the Almighty, not merely granted by (any) government.
What is granted by men can be taken away by men.
Amen brother!
I suppose I would be a constitutional biblical conservative
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Hiker, I suspect we differ on a lot of things (in that I would never vote for Bush and spent 8 years embarrassed other people would :P), but +1 on supporting Gary Johnson. :) Too bad he doesn't stand more of a chance of getting elected.
Ultimately, we all have an appreciation for firearms and should be able to put our political differences aside. :)
I am assuming you meant me, not Hiker. As to my voting for Bush, neither time was I voting for the candidate I thought was the best. There was no way in Hell I was voting for Al Gore, and John Kerry and his close ties to the Kennedys was a no-go for gun rights. Don't get me wrong, W did some horrible things for personal freedom, ie The Patriot Act. He was also a puppet. He did what he was told to do as President, same as BHO.
As far as political viewpoints go, if you're really interested, PM me. You may be surprised.
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Keep it on topic please guys.
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BTW... Great article !!
(http://www.humanevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/AAC.jpg)
If it wasn't for the fingernail polish, it would be hard to tell where the hands stopped and the gun started.
;D
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Also, think all repubs, demos and whatnots should own a gun to keep the government at bay. I will not vote for anyone that might destroy this country finacially, which by the way is in the makings and the only way to take our country down. We cannot survive if we all go broke because of a social justice ploy, are any regime that is overwhelming the system with total disregard for the consequences for any reason.
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BTW... Great article !!
(http://www.humanevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/AAC.jpg)
If it wasn't for the fingernail polish, it would be hard to tell where the hands stopped and the gun started.
;D
What could have been a cute girl, ruined by ink... nice can (singular, not plural!) though ;D
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I will not vote for anyone that might destroy this country finacially, which by the way is in the makings and the only way to take our country down. We cannot survive if we all go broke because of a social justice ploy
President Reagan did just that to the USSR--destroyed them financially.
Owing generations of debt, and Not having jobs/money to eat WILL make CHANGE a certainty.
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USA promised land for us gun lovers (but sorry not for everything)
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Thanks for sharing!
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Thank you, I read the article. I am a new handgun shooter, and probably do not fit the normal mold around this forum....
I think you'd be surprised. CZ pistols (and really nothing else) bring us together here. I don't think you can easily lump us into any one group. I don't see a "normal mold" here at all. I see people from all walks of life, professions, political persuasions, and religious backgrounds.
....so you can dislike me for it, or realize that not everyone is the same as you just because they shoot guns.
I don't see any dislike here on any one's part. Balanced people can disagree with your ideas and ideals without dis-liking the person; can separate the actions from the actor. Disagreement does not equate to hate.
I do not blindly support the NRA
Neither do I. Only about 10% of gun owners are members of the NRA, and still it is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in Washington.
I am in IT and live in the populated east Coast.
I too am in technology and live on the east coast. Awarded most outstanding technology student in Georgia the year I graduated. This doesn't make me better than anyone, including you. I'm afraid I don't get your point.
I am a Democrat. ....you may have to keep your mind open and flexible.
I'm an independent. I've voted for diverse people such as Andrew Young, Zell Miller and Ronald Reagan. IMHO the first step to an independent mind is to not lock your vote into a single political party, but rather vote for the person who best supports the country and Constitution. It's a two party system, and neither candidate pleases me 100%.
So to clarify, are you a Harry Truman dem, John F Kennedy dem, or a John Kerry dem.
All the best. ;)
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It is not relevant to this forum what members politics are, or who they vote (or voted) for. We are a community of shooting enthusiasts, not a political debating society.
Since people don't seem to be able to keep to the posted topic....locked.