The Original CZ Forum
GENERAL => Right to Keep and Bear Arms => Topic started by: GoldDot on December 16, 2012, 09:05:56 AM
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and some laws restricting them go into effect next year( 2013), would it effect the gun I already have ?
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Anything can happen, but I would suspect it would be like the ban in CA where if you owned one of the newly banned weapons you would have a grace period during which you must re register your rifle as an AW. A registered AW is non transferable and must be destroyed upon your death. Of course there were many Californians who owned the banned rifles who didn't re register them as AWs, so those rifles are now in violation of the ban.
In CA, many LEOs are either unfamiliar with the particulars of all the gun laws, or have any interest in enforcing them. The enforcement comes mostly in the form of peer pressure in the gun community.
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youre putting to much thought into it.
just buy the gun now. you snooze you loose.
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It would likely be grandfathered in. There definitely isn't enough support to confiscate weapons or anything like that.
It can't hurt to buy one, but I'm not sure that there will actually be repercussions on the gun community. But it you might want to be vocal about things to help make sure that there aren't.
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I have been collecting parts to build an AR all year. My last parts should be here on Wednesday.
When the ban happens, no one knows what it will be like. It may be like the 1994 ban and just ban high capacity magazines and certain accessories, or it may move all semi auto rifles to Class II.
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We can hope if (and that's a BIG if) a new AWB is passed into law, all currently owned "assault weapons" would be grandfathered in and not be taken away from us. But nothing is guaranteed. Best thing to do is 1.) buy "assault weapons" now while you still can legally do so and 2.) write and call your Senators and Representatives NOW before a new AWB can take place.
BTW - just this morning Sen. Diane Feinstein said on NBC's Meet the Press that she is already drafting a new AWB bill to be introduced in the Senate next year and a new AWB bill is also being drafted in the House to be introduced next year.
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First, don't let them define the terms. Assault Rifles have been strictly controlled since 1934, as have all fully automatic or select fire firearms have been since that date. An assault rifle is select fire. There is no such thing as an "assault weapon", and here's why - the national definition of one was contained in the original AWB, which died in 2004. No such definition in national law exists at this time to the best of my knowledge.
What you want is called an MSR, or Modern Sporting Rifle. It may be semi-automatic, and have the capability of accepting detachable magazines, but it is not a military rifle. :) No military has adapted a semi-automatic rifle for general issue for at least 50 years.
OK, semantics aside, what happens to the rifle you buy is wholly up to the courts and the politicians. Don't forget New York City registered "assault rifles" years ago, and over the gun owners howls of protest, they said, "it's just so we know who to take them back to if they're stolen!" Years later, they used that same list to round them up. California did it too, with the SKS registration glitch, as SKS carbine owners were told they had a grace period to register their rifles, and then were told they missed it, please turn them in. Now.
Last, I still don't think the support is there for a general AWB, since the proof IS there that it did absolutely nothing whatsoever. Also, we have something else we didn't have back in 1994 - Supreme Court decisions in our favor, two of them so far, and now a Circuit Court of Appeals decision that the 2A applies to carry outside the home. These decisions can stand as a mighty brake on wavering politicians who might seriously fear being tied to a law that gets overturned as Un-Constitutional.
In the meantime, buy what you want/can afford, and like the cover of the book Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy says, "Don't Panic."
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There was a sharp increase in gun sales since Obama's initial election. I remember several friends and family purchasing a potentially banned firearm or stating they weren't concerned cause they already owned one and all the "evil" high cap magazines they would need. Re enacting the Brady Bill and "assualt weapons" ban might drive up demand and prices but in the past it didn't seem that big of a deal. Pinned stocks, smaller mags, no bayonets or flash hiders, to name a few. I just don't feel like it really changed much. We bought extra hi cap mags for our 10/22 and still have and use them.
I purchased a PTR91 several years ago and have not regretted my purchase. Most firearms that are mil-spec in regards to design and build(not referring to a class III firearm) are standardized, very reliable and appropriate for most recreational shooting and hunting purposes. I haven't done any hunting with a cartridge like the .308 but I would love to go to Texas and help those fine folks with their feral hog issues. I think my HK clone would do well against that type of game. The high capacity mags would facilitate follow up shots.
Eventually, I would like to put a scope on it and see how it punches paper at 400m.
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and some laws restricting them go into effect next year( 2013), would it effect the gun I already have ?
As A-Man and Asimov said: "Don't panic". There is no way to second guess their attempts to limit firearms and accessories.
Support the NRA, so they can support your 2nd amendment rights actively.
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Everybody on this forum should be an NRA member, if not.......NOW IS THE TIME TO JOIN !!!!!
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According to the NRA/ILA, the draft Diane Feinstein already had writeen November 9th said no "Grandfathering."
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/no-longer-camouflaging-their-agenda,-anti-gunners-start-gun-ban-plans.aspx
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youre putting to much thought into it.
just buy the gun now. you snooze you loose.
Exactly! Get, while the getting is at least there. No one can know what will happen politically/legislatively.
The threat of further restrictions is certainly there, as voiced by some of our Politicians.
Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
You want the Rifle anyways, and as they say in temporal mechanics, there's no time like the present. - Captain Katherine Janeway
Impossible to know the Future is. - Yoda
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According to the NRA/ILA, the draft Diane Feinstein already had writeen November 9th said no "Grandfathering."
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/no-longer-camouflaging-their-agenda,-anti-gunners-start-gun-ban-plans.aspx
That was just grandstanding for her base. She introduces those bills all the time, like at the start of every session. The media is just acting like its a new and bold stroke on her part.
Her most recent bill, written after the fact--actually, now that I think about it, she couldn't have written a bill in two days, she had it in reserve, waiting for a gun tragedy-- anyway, weapons are grandfathered in. I'm sure she'd love to pass the first bill, but there is no chance of that, and I think little chance for the new bill. I'm pretty tapped out with xmas and all, but I think I might have to get a NRA membership.
I'd be willing to be they've had a ton of donations over the past two days.
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and some laws restricting them go into effect next year( 2013), would it effect the gun I already have ?
That's something nobody can tell you with certainty. The last Federal Assault Weapons Ban had a grandfather clause for existing legally owned firearms and magazines. The one Senator Feinstein is always pushing does not.
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According to the NRA/ILA, the draft Diane Feinstein already had writeen November 9th said no "Grandfathering."
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/no-longer-camouflaging-their-agenda,-anti-gunners-start-gun-ban-plans.aspx
IMO that is actually a good thing - the more restrictions in her bill the less likely it is to have the support she needs.
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I'm not one to really get all up worked up worrying over potential firearms legislation, but I went ahead and put in an order for a Daniel Defense AR and about 15 extra PMAGs this weekend. I hope it was just a silly purchase and not my "last" purchase before we see a renewed AWB, but there's been enough talk about it recently that I figured why wait.
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Been stocking up on a few things that I've needed or wanted anyways.
9mm Berry's Bullets
Small Pistol Primers
Hi-Cap Magazines
7.62x39mm Ammunition
5.56x45mm Ammunition
.22LR Ammunition
Vz2008 w/Magazines
Charles Daly 1911 EFS .45
Taurus PT-111 w/Magazines
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I have never really felt the need for an "assault rifle" until now. What caliber would be best all around? Maybe .308?
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Hickok 45 did a review on the SCAR in 308 that really made me want one. 300 blk is very versatile I think and makes a nice choice for suppressing. I ultimately went with 5.56/2.23 though, at least for my first AR. I also have a rifle in 7.62 so I figured this would make my AR a bit different.
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I have never really felt the need for an "assault rifle" until now. What caliber would be best all around? Maybe .308?
I'd love an AR-10 but they are expensive and ammo is expensive. For me anyway. Saiga makes an AK type rifle that shoot .308 as well. If you can afford one, buy it while you still can.
I currently own a VZ58, AK-47, and an SKS. All use 7.62x39 ammo which is cheap and easy to find. O0
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Actually I have a Ruger mini 14 .223 but never thought of it as an assualt rifle. Think I might just add a mini 14 30 and dress it up as a one of those black rifles except for the SS. They are dependable and cost less.
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Too bad 99% of NRA backed candidates failed to gain office.
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Too bad 99% of NRA backed candidates failed to gain office.
And the ones that do gain office are starting to turn on gun owners. At least the Democrat NRA members are.
And don't forget the NRA backed Mitt Romney. The same Mitt Romney that banned "assault weapons" in Massachusetts in 2004.
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The same Mitt Romney that banned "assault weapons" in Massachusetts in 2004.
That's the trouble with that whole 'lesser of two evils' thing; guaranteed to get stuck with evil.
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I have never really felt the need for an "assault rifle" until now. What caliber would be best all around? Maybe .308?
7.62x39mm or 5.56x45mm (Mil .223) would be better suited for all around use, but nothing wrong with the 7.62x51mm NATO ( Mil .308 ), but the latter is really considered a Battle Rifle Caliber and not an intermediate/Assault Rifle Caliber.
I'm a huge fan of all of them, but my fav is the 7.62x39mm. Consider a Vz58 or Vz2008.
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I stopped in two local gun shops and they are selling out of AR's fast, even budsgunshop.com is running out, the sub $1000 ones are going first.
I also considered a Ruger Mini-14 that shoots .223/5.56, it can get the shots out just as quick as an AR, but not look like a swat team doing it. Plus they may over look it on their new ban since it looks like a normal hunting rifle!
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I also considered a Ruger Mini-14 that shoots .223/5.56, it can get the shots out just as quick as an AR, but not look like a swat team doing it. Plus they may over look it on their new ban since it looks like a normal hunting rifle!
I've had pretty good luck with Mini-14's and currently have two of the 185 S/N Series. Love them! The new Mini-14's are even better and I wholeheartedly recommend them!
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/548/Mini14s_2.jpg)
Two 185 Series Ruger Mini-14's. One set up as a Scout/Tactical Carbine and one setup for Varmint Hunting
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I have not had a real pressing desire to own an AR or AK (particularly not the AK), but have had the urge to buy the S&W MP 15-22 as something fun and reasonable to shoot. My gunsmith says go with a 10-22.
I don't know if the rimfires will be hit with the ban, too. I did notice that Feinstein's proposed legislation does grandfather in existing guns.
Christmas time - maybe I will go ahead and get me an "assault rifle."
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Christmas time - maybe I will go ahead and get me an "assault rifle."
By then it will be too late. They will either be all sold out or doubled in price.
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Christmas time - maybe I will go ahead and get me an "assault rifle."
By then it will be too late. They will either be all sold out or doubled in price.
bingo...czechpoint just raised thier prices as of 12-20-12, their vz58 side folder now sales for $1,115 and according to their website thier prices after that will keep increasing :o hell jgsales cai vz2008 now goes for $799. i have enough aks, now gonna pick up 3 old colts in the up coming week, just in case
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Future discussion here please: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=51998.0