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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Curio and Relic CZs => Topic started by: old ironsights on August 15, 2003, 08:00:10 PM

Title: 2000 fps Loads fm Quality Cartridge
Post by: old ironsights on August 15, 2003, 08:00:10 PM

.223 Timbs

!!!!!!THESE LOADS ARE INTENDED ONLY FOR THE CZ-52 PISTOL!!!!!!

The .223 Timbs is the result of a co-development between Quality Cartridge and Joseph Timbs.  It is the American answer to the proprietary .224 BOZ, bringing the CZ-52 into the new millenium.  

The .223 Timbs is a special loading of the 7.62x25 round for use only in the CZ-52 pistol.  It consists of a sabot like the Remington "Accelerator" pushing a 50gr bullet over 2000fps.  Concept was for devastating multi-purpose round, useable for small game, varmits, and defense.   Accuracy has proven to be on-par with traditional rounds fired from the same pistol, and terminal ballistics are quite impressive with initial tests showing devastating expansion from the varmit-type bullets.

Bullet Wt. Price (Bx 50)
50gr SXSP (Hornady) 35.97

Quality Cartridge
PO Box 445
Hollywood, MD 20636

Title: 2000 fps Loads fm Quality Cartridge
Post by: Unregistered(d) on September 11, 2003, 09:44:42 AM

For you reloaders, we've got sabots to do something similar:

(http://makarov.com/graphics/cz52/sabotstep02.jpg)

$9/100 sabots

See:

http://makarov.com/cart/vitemreload.htm
-Karl

Title: 2000 fps Loads fm Quality Cartridge
Post by: UZER1 on October 20, 2003, 09:49:42 PM

How do these feed in a stock pistol?

Title: 2000 fps Loads fm Quality Cartridge
Post by: Guest on December 15, 2003, 05:49:06 PM

They don't feed very well- I also had trouble with the sabot not stripping off. The holes at 50 feet looked like little gears. The accuracy was poor to medium. Altogether, fun as a novelty, but far less useful than S&B.

Title: 2000 fps Loads fm Quality Cartridge
Post by: n-44-Canon on December 29, 2003, 12:06:41 AM

I wana case some .32ACP JHPs in 7.62 Tokarev shells and see what that does. I REALLY like Miwall JHP bullets and will probibly buy some of theirs for the purpous once I get everything I need to start reloading.

Title: 2000 fps Loads fm Quality Cartridge
Post by: skucera on December 29, 2003, 10:59:38 AM

Remember to double-check those diameters -- .32 equals 7.65mm; 7.62 equals .308 or .30, depending on who does the math.  Double-check those loading manuals.

Scott

Title: 2000 fps Loads fm Quality Cartridge
Post by: broadkil on December 29, 2003, 04:47:08 PM

skucera

for the most part your right
.32 = 7.65 (.311 or .312)
but the .32acp = 7.62 (.30
the reason is that the 32acp uses the old caliber designations
like the .38 special is really .357 in DIA.

Title: 2000 fps Loads fm Quality Cartridge
Post by: bstogsdill on March 01, 2004, 12:16:53 PM

I just started reloading some of these- one thing I found was that I have to seat the sabot and crimp the brass in 2 steps, not in one step.  

Otherwise I had all kinds of variations in the seating depth of the sabots,and the sabots were deformed somewhat.  

I borrowed a bullet seater/crimper die  from a 38 caliber so the brass would not be touched and  am going to use it to set the seat height.

Does anybody else out there  load these? Are there any tricks or warnings?

I have only found some uncomfirmed data at one source- no ideas of velocities produced.

I am using the 218 bee 45 gn XTP Honrady bullet.

I also tried putting the bullet in backwards to make a little wadcutter but it does not hold secure in the sabot- the action may knock it plumb out I wonder?

Be safe
Brad