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CZ LONG ARMS => VZ-58 semi auto rifle => Topic started by: JimThornTX on June 24, 2013, 12:20:28 PM
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Brand new exclusive article on the new Czechpoint VZ58 SBR (Short Barrel Rifle) that will go on sale in the Fall 2013.
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More pics and full article here: http://www.thebangswitch.com/exclusive-cz-vz58-sbr/
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Very Very Nice!!! 8) 8) 8)
I would like one, but with the 12 inch barrels they used on the Vz58 Pistols, some time ago.
Wondering if they will make any more of those Vz58 Pistols? ???
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Very Very Nice!!! 8) 8) 8)
I would like one, but with the 12 inch barrels they used on the Vz58 Pistols, some time ago.
Wondering if they will make any more of those Vz58 Pistols? ???
Definitely cool to see. The Czechpoint website says they expect the pistols in late Summer 2013. I'd imagine that the pistols and these SBRs will come in around the same time.
I'm also much more interested in the carbine version (about 12in. barrel) as opposed to the super short compact model. Whether getting the pistol and sbr-ing it later. Or getting on the the carbines to begin with.
I'm glad to see these hitting the States.
http://www.csa.co.cz/en/15-produkty/25-sa58-765-39.html
I two 58s need a new buddy. :)
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Thanks for posting. Very interesting. My concern though is the 7.5'' barrel. you lose a lot of velocity and muzzle energy with the 7.62x39 with a barrel that short. I recently got a Zastava PAP M92PV (Yugo AK pistol) It has a 10'' barrel and only loses 400 fps compared to a full sized 16'' barreled 7.62x39 rifle.
Something to consider perhaps.
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Roger this is one of the reasons I'm planning on the 12" version.
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I have been coveting one of these for awhile. The Canadians have had them for awhile and they seem like a blast based on the youtube videos. Yeah, sure it'll lose alot of muzzle velocity, but this is an inside-100m gun, and .30 caliber isn't so velocity dependent as, say, 5.56.
One thing that would make it better: suppressor!
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Roger this is one of the reasons I'm planning on the 12" version.
I agree. Think I'm good though with my Vz.58 and variety of AKs. And a gas piston AR chambered in 5.45x39
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I'm guessing these require a tax stamp? Definitely something that would be different enough from my AK to justify a new
toy gun....
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I'm guessing these require a tax stamp? Definitely something that would be different enough from my AK to justify a new toy gun....
You sir would be correct.
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I'm guessing these require a tax stamp? Definitely something that would be different enough from my AK to justify a new toy gun....
Better submit your tax stamp ASAP. Current ATF backlog is 6.5 months and growing.
Czechpoint won't even sell you a rifle unless you provide proof of tax stamp? I presume this is correct?
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I'm guessing these require a tax stamp? Definitely something that would be different enough from my AK to justify a new toy gun....
Better submit your tax stamp ASAP. Current ATF backlog is 6.5 months and growing.
Czechpoint won't even sell you a rifle unless you provide proof of tax stamp? I presume this is correct?
I assume that's right. They aren't going to want to deal with selling a gun to someone who can't collect it from his FFL.
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I'm guessing these require a tax stamp? Definitely something that would be different enough from my AK to justify a new toy gun....
Better submit your tax stamp ASAP. Current ATF backlog is 6.5 months and growing.
Czechpoint won't even sell you a rifle unless you provide proof of tax stamp? I presume this is correct?
I assume that's right. They aren't going to want to deal with selling a gun to someone who can't collect it from his FFL.
I dont think you can get a tax stamp for a gun that isn't in the hands of the distributor yet. I am surprised that they don't just sell these as pistols and let the end user form 1 it, wait 6 months, get the stamp back and knock the spot weld off holding a stock set screw in place, then order folding stock.
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I'm guessing these require a tax stamp? Definitely something that would be different enough from my AK to justify a new toy gun....
Better submit your tax stamp ASAP. Current ATF backlog is 6.5 months and growing.
Czechpoint won't even sell you a rifle unless you provide proof of tax stamp? I presume this is correct?
I assume that's right. They aren't going to want to deal with selling a gun to someone who can't collect it from his FFL.
I dont think you can get a tax stamp for a gun that isn't in the hands of the distributor yet. I am surprised that they don't just sell these as pistols and let the end user form 1 it, wait 6 months, get the stamp back and knock the spot weld off holding a stock set screw in place, then order folding stock.
Honestly I don't know how it would all work. I don't know if Czechpoint would or wouldn't care either way. It's not really their concern once it leaves them.
If you're going the SBR route, this might be simpler for some people.
Czechpoint did the same thing when they were selling vz. 61 sbrs.
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now that looks straight out cool, looks way better thant the 12" version. just wondering why worry about loosing velocity? what do you plan on using it for?
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Well. An sbr in either length would be a fun "toy'' range gun.
They both could be good house or vehicle guns as well. I don't know, besides looks, if the super short barrel would have much of detriment on velocity to affect bullet performance. 7.62x39 isn't nearly as dependent of velocity to do it's job like the 5.56x45 round.
Either length would be cool to me. But personally I like the look of the 12 inch model better. The 7 inch one looks a little to "stubby" or "stunted" to me.
And the 12 inch one would be plenty short for "serious house work". :)
Comparing the 12 inch one to a standard M4, the 58 carbine (not the compact 7.5) would be nearly the same length as a retracted stocked M4. Obviously smaller compared to any M4 with the stock extended to any length.
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Man these 7.5" VZs give me a chub :o
Hopefully they end up selling these as pistols. I think it would be a lot better to simply get these as a pistol, put in the unconstitutional paperwork, and slap the stock on yourself. At least you have the actual pistol to play around with until the ATF processes your poll tax.
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all i can say about the 7.5"= 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDe3yPG1JMM
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Hehehe, looks like a 5" sight radius? Would require a sight built into the receiver cover... I want one!
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Now how am I supposed to resist the temptation when you go posting videos this this! :o
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Hehehe, looks like a 5" sight radius? Would require a sight built into the receiver cover... I want one!
I would not worry about sight radius, where im from not allowed to own sbrs >:( only pistol versions
just an idea on how my short sight radius pistols shoot at 25y, but you lucky ones who can own an sbr
at least get to have a stock put on, which helps more in accuracy than my sad sling does. by the way
50y groups are almost identical to my 25y groups
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/010.jpg)
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Now how am I supposed to resist the temptation when you go posting videos this this! :o
sorry man, just passing along the sickness...hehe
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Looks like your sling method is not so sad after all.
This is how I plan on shooting my new Zastava PAP M92PV.
With an echo93 sling mount.
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So what are the wait times on form 4's now?
I wonder if Czechpoint will sell them as SBRs or just pistols for us to form 1 (build)
I hate the paperwork (and the wait ::) ) but I must say that looks like fireballs of fun. Well it would be if more than 5 rounds were allowed at a time, full auto would be awesome.
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The 12" guns work just fine at longer distances. I've shot mine onto steel about the size of IDPA targets out to 300m with not much bother.
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Does anyone have pictures or video of the 12'' model?
Just it just simply look like the full sized rifle only with a shorter barrel?
BTW, I think I just answered my own question. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkP7NR9nAY0
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Hehehe, looks like a 5" sight radius? Would require a sight built into the receiver cover... I want one!
They will come drilled and tapped for the czechpoint/csa short optic rail.
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All,
I've been in contact with the exclusive distributor for the SBR (Yes, it will be an SBR, not a pistol) The distro is expecting them early fall, oh, and by them that includes the 12" barrel as well. Also I've been told magazine availability will no longer be an issue ;) I have already got dibs on one of the first 5 available; the distro happens to be in my state, on two of the forums I'm active on, and I've met him personally a few times; couple that with the fact that I know Tim from MAC (the guy who runs thebangswitch.com) and life is good! Oh, also the new RS products Rail mount will be available from the distro at the same time! I'm not sure how it happened, but I seem to be in the middle of the players for all things vz.58 in the US!!!! Sometimes I like being me! ;D
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I'm guessing these require a tax stamp? Definitely something that would be different enough from my AK to justify a new toy gun....
Better submit your tax stamp ASAP. Current ATF backlog is 6.5 months and growing.
Czechpoint won't even sell you a rifle unless you provide proof of tax stamp? I presume this is correct?
Umm, you can't apply for the stamp unless you have the serial of the rifle... the way it will work is that Czechpoint will "sell" all the rifles to the distro who is a 03 FFL, then you will "purchase" your rifle, paperwork goes out to the ATFE, after approval the distro will release the rifle to you... pretty much the same process as a suppressor IIRC.
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Sounds good but an 03FFL is a C&R license so I would guess it is not that.
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Sounds good but an 03FFL is a C&R license so I would guess it is not that.
Duhhh, you are correct... I hate trying to remember the FFL numbers... OK, someone correct me with the right license... I know it's Class 3, but the FFL license number is apparently not the same... what can I say, I'm going to be doing my first NFA tango this fall!
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All,
I've been in contact with the exclusive distributor for the SBR (Yes, it will be an SBR, not a pistol) The distro is expecting them early fall, oh, and by them that includes the 12" barrel as well. Also I've been told magazine availability will no longer be an issue ;) I have already got dibs on one of the first 5 available; the distro happens to be in my state, on two of the forums I'm active on, and I've met him personally a few times; couple that with the fact that I know Tim from MAC (the guy who runs thebangswitch.com) and life is good! Oh, also the new RS products Rail mount will be available from the distro at the same time! I'm not sure how it happened, but I seem to be in the middle of the players for all things vz.58 in the US!!!! Sometimes I like being me! ;D
Good stuff. Thanks for the info. and keeping us up to date. Very helpful.
And thanks to JimThorneTX of course for first posting all the good news.
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rogerfan, i wish i could shoot those groups with a sling...with maybe more practice. it was shot of a rest.
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Sounds good but an 03FFL is a C&R license so I would guess it is not that.
Duhhh, you are correct... I hate trying to remember the FFL numbers... OK, someone correct me with the right license... I know it's Class 3, but the FFL license number is apparently not the same... what can I say, I'm going to be doing my first NFA tango this fall!
Probably a Class 7.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License
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Does anyone have pictures or video of the 12'' model?
Just it just simply look like the full sized rifle only with a shorter barrel?
BTW, I think I just answered my own question. ;)
A couple pics of mine in various configurations:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/stevo8904/IMG_1700aMedium.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stevo8904/media/IMG_1700aMedium.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/stevo8904/IMG_1628Medium.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stevo8904/media/IMG_1628Medium.jpg.html)
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Nice!!! Really opening my eyes to all the different options.
Mabe I shouldn't rule out getting an SBR Vz.
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Here's something a little interesting.
http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/newsflash/strike-back-season-3.html#news_27
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That is interesting, and it is true that Czechpoint will not be selling them... they will be sold by the distributor. :)
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If you look closely there are a few shots of them shooting suppressed VZ sbr's in the youtube link below. Awesome.
http://youtu.be/VbOvCqPk2NU (http://youtu.be/VbOvCqPk2NU)
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That is interesting, and it is true that Czechpoint will not be selling them... they will be sold by the distributor. :)
I thought Czechpoint was the distributer and Czech Small Arms (CSA) was the manufacture.
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Does anyone have pictures or video of the 12'' model?
Just it just simply look like the full sized rifle only with a shorter barrel?
BTW, I think I just answered my own question. ;)
A couple pics of mine in various configurations:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/stevo8904/IMG_1700aMedium.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stevo8904/media/IMG_1700aMedium.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/stevo8904/IMG_1628Medium.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stevo8904/media/IMG_1628Medium.jpg.html)
last picture, whats up with that magazine? never seen one like that before..is it a limited run or something?
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whats up with that magazine? never seen one like that before..is it a limited run or something?
Looks home made to me.
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That is interesting, and it is true that Czechpoint will not be selling them... they will be sold by the distributor. :)
I thought Czechpoint was the distributer and Czech Small Arms (CSA) was the manufacture.
+1 Not sure what JAPartridge is talking about. He says he's got all the key vz.58 connections in the US but the assertions he makes just don't match with what the rest of us know to be true. ???
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OK, for those that can't read the OP's article... CSA is the manufacturer, Czechpoint is the importer, and AGS is the distributor of the VZ.58 SBR. I personally know Tim from MAC, and I know Jahred from AGS, now, if you all want to continue repeating the same thing over and over, that's fine, but there is no reason to disparage my character simply because you cannot grasp the concept that Czechpoint doesn't want to sell NFA weapons to end-users... if you want to contact Dan and find out why they won't sell them directly, feel free. I've been on here for awhile and most of the members that are on here can tell you that I am very honest, and do not tend to speak of things that I do not know of. I have a life, and do not need to feel "important" on a forum to complete my life.
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last picture, whats up with that magazine? never seen one like that before..is it a limited run or something?
I cut down one that had a cracked feed lip.
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I'd love to see an SBR in the 5.56 version which is what I've been wanting...of course I'd want the AR15 mag conversion.
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OK, for those that can't read the OP's article... CSA is the manufacturer, Czechpoint is the importer, and AGS is the distributor of the VZ.58 SBR. I personally know Tim from MAC, and I know Jahred from AGS, now, if you all want to continue repeating the same thing over and over, that's fine, but there is no reason to disparage my character simply because you cannot grasp the concept that Czechpoint doesn't want to sell NFA weapons to end-users... if you want to contact Dan and find out why they won't sell them directly, feel free. I've been on here for awhile and most of the members that are on here can tell you that I am very honest, and do not tend to speak of things that I do not know of. I have a life, and do not need to feel "important" on a forum to complete my life.
This is now clear. I didn't hear you mention this AGS Distributor before. Nobody else seems to know of them either. In any case, thank you for clarifying and it wasn't my intention to attack your character. If it was taken that way, I apologize.
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OK, for those that can't read the OP's article... CSA is the manufacturer, Czechpoint is the importer, and AGS is the distributor of the VZ.58 SBR. I personally know Tim from MAC, and I know Jahred from AGS, now, if you all want to continue repeating the same thing over and over, that's fine, but there is no reason to disparage my character simply because you cannot grasp the concept that Czechpoint doesn't want to sell NFA weapons to end-users... if you want to contact Dan and find out why they won't sell them directly, feel free. I've been on here for awhile and most of the members that are on here can tell you that I am very honest, and do not tend to speak of things that I do not know of. I have a life, and do not need to feel "important" on a forum to complete my life.
This is now clear. I didn't hear you mention this AGS Distributor before. Nobody else seems to know of them either. In any case, thank you for clarifying and it wasn't my intention to attack your character. If it was taken that way, I apologize.
Roger, It's OK, I have been a bit edgy and testy lately! AGS is a newer shop, they opened up mid to late last year IIRC. Jahred worked for 21st Century Firearms, and wanted to move in a more tactical/training direction, so they parted amicably and Jahred started up AGS. He has been doing quite well, and has quite a few industry contacts; as evidenced by becoming the exclusive distributor of the "stumpy" version of our favorite rifle! Jahred and Tim have been working together for a good amount of time, which is why it didn't surprise me that Tim got the scoop on these being brought into the company... I will say that I need to have a stern talking to with Tim for not giving me more of a heads up on these! LOL.
Jason
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I want!
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I don't trust any gun with a receiver longer than the barrel ::)
I'll take the 12" version.