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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: schmeky on November 03, 2013, 03:32:23 PM

Title: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: schmeky on November 03, 2013, 03:32:23 PM: Here is an assortment of P-09 hammers. I would like forum members to indicate their preference. Each is clearly named. So take your time and let me know.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j235/schmeky/09hammers003.jpg)
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Skookum on November 03, 2013, 04:53:34 PM: Ring.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Addict on November 03, 2013, 05:25:42 PM: That CGW Race version is great, I would put the wedge in second.
Does the aftermarket hammer improve the trigger, or just aesthetics???

Addict
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Stuart on November 03, 2013, 05:27:18 PM: I would like something super close to OEM, to run in SSP.
But I like the wedge.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: bozwell on November 03, 2013, 05:28:48 PM: Judging them aesthetically only, I like wedge followed by race.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Joe L on November 03, 2013, 05:38:00 PM: Race first, ring second choice. Both are good.
Joe
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: AZ_CZ on November 03, 2013, 05:48:12 PM: WEDGE
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Maynard on November 03, 2013, 06:05:41 PM: #1 Wedge

#2 Race
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Skookum on November 03, 2013, 06:32:12 PM: A hammer carved in the shape of Bucky Badger and painted appropriately would sell like hotcakes:

(http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/258/6258/160828.gif).
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jdubya87 on November 03, 2013, 06:45:44 PM: I like ring and wedge.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Riptide439 on November 03, 2013, 06:49:46 PM: Wedge 1st
Ring 2nd
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Denzien on November 03, 2013, 07:42:01 PM: I like Wedge and then Ring

It might be easier to choose to see how they look when installed - if we're picking aesthetically
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: BigHeat on November 03, 2013, 08:00:07 PM: # 1 Wedge
# 2 Ring
# 3 Race
Title: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: hensc on November 03, 2013, 08:14:44 PM: 1. Wedge
2. Race

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Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: DandC on November 03, 2013, 10:56:03 PM: That ring is awesome.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: 1SOW on November 03, 2013, 11:11:38 PM: I like the Wedge (looks) or Ring thinking about decocking with thumb and forefinger ---grip surface available.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Guitarguy on November 03, 2013, 11:15:29 PM: #1 Race. #2 Wedge
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jabbermurph on November 03, 2013, 11:16:17 PM: Wowzers!!!! I would just need 4 P-09s O0 O0 O0.

What are the chance on the Wedge being a Tac Sport hammer????
That would be SWEET!!! Talk about a sexy addition to an already sexy Limited Masterpiece
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Skookum on November 03, 2013, 11:25:16 PM: Package them as a 5-Hammer Performance Pak.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Roneski on November 04, 2013, 09:04:31 AM: I like OEM because I like my mods to be somewhat stealthy. Followed by Ring maybe.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Birds Away on November 04, 2013, 09:09:58 AM: I like the Race followed by the Ring.

P.S. Losey likes the same two in reverse order.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: bradley cz on November 04, 2013, 09:33:52 AM: I like the wedge. The ring reminds me of an 1911 hammer.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: bradley cz on November 04, 2013, 09:35:36 AM: I like the wedge!
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Denzien on November 04, 2013, 10:08:00 AM: Quote from: Roneski on November 04, 2013, 09:04:31 AM
I like OEM because I like my mods to be somewhat stealthy. Followed by Ring maybe.

That's a persuasive argument for OEM. Also, the Ring shape is classic CZ. I'm not familiar with the feel of the ring hammer on the thumb - is it more ergonomic?
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: IDescribe on November 04, 2013, 10:08:39 AM: Wedge is right sexy.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Roneski on November 04, 2013, 10:44:11 AM: Quote from: Denzien on November 04, 2013, 10:08:00 AM

That's a persuasive argument for OEM. Also, the Ring shape is classic CZ. I'm not familiar with the feel of the ring hammer on the thumb - is it more ergonomic?

It's all debatable. The ring seems to me to be somewhat comparable to a commander style hammer which many will find familiar and is a fairly well accepted design. The concave style of the spur and the wedge may just bee a little too aggressive and unfamiliar for me. In the end, I am happy with the look and feel of the OEM so I figure why change it? I am a simple monkey.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Magsz on November 04, 2013, 01:24:45 PM: Id prefer OEM with re cut hooks for SSP/Production and THEN the ring. The ring should allow easy manual decocking.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: JonNC on November 04, 2013, 01:29:31 PM: 1) Ring
2) Wedge
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Joe L on November 04, 2013, 04:40:50 PM: All I REALLY care about is the hammer/sear interface. Maybe CGW can safely eliminate some of the creep. I'm afraid to touch the stock parts.

Joe
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Jake G on November 04, 2013, 05:51:55 PM: I shoot IDPA and would like to stay in SSP when I find a p-09 for sale. Which would mean a custom hammer is fine as long as it is externally the same. Stuart and a couple others had the same thought and my main follows those lines. Otherwise the designs are all great but they would also put you in ESP. Same thing with the CZ 75 race hammers. I've messed with a few and the break is crisper than the comp hammers but a no go for SSP IDPA. Any thoughts? Or, David will you be able to mod the factory hammers to recreate the custom feel?
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: schmeky on November 04, 2013, 09:26:46 PM: I am pretty confident the hammer we develop may become a "production" part. Can't elaborate any further at this point. Therefore keeping the OEM profile should not be a major consideration.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jabbermurph on November 04, 2013, 09:58:21 PM: Quote from: schmeky on November 04, 2013, 09:26:46 PM
I am pretty confident the hammer we develop may become a "production" part. Can't elaborate any further at this point. Therefore keeping the OEM profile should not be a major consideration.

That is AWESOME!!!! Hope it turns out well, whatever the future holds. Thanks, BTW, for including the new firing pin with the rear sight. You exceed the highest expectactions.

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Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: CoGT3 on November 04, 2013, 10:13:01 PM: Quote from: schmeky on November 04, 2013, 09:26:46 PM
I am pretty confident the hammer we develop may become a "production" part. Can't elaborate any further at this point. Therefore keeping the OEM profile should not be a major consideration.

If that's the case, put my vote in for the ring.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Bishop112 on November 05, 2013, 04:06:48 AM: 1) Ring
2) Race

Looking good !

Looks like I may buy another poly frame pistol after all.....
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: SMaster on November 05, 2013, 06:41:03 AM: Ring
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Old Rocket on November 05, 2013, 07:46:34 AM: 1 Wedge
2 Ring
Can't wait for more great parts from CGW.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jabbermurph on November 05, 2013, 07:49:05 AM: I vote to change the name of the wedge.

New name: Spike of Fury
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: hensc on November 05, 2013, 09:46:17 AM: Quote from: jabbermurph on November 05, 2013, 07:49:05 AM
I vote to change the name of the wedge.

New name: Spike of Fury

+1... This ^^^
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jabbermurph on November 05, 2013, 10:26:30 AM: Or "Thorn of Doom"....Wedge just doesn't do it justice. I have been eyeballing a Tac Sport at the LGS for the past year, and when I get it, I want the "Spike of Fury" hammer. What say ye, David...can you make this happen?
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: IDescribe on November 05, 2013, 12:31:27 PM: Quote from: jabbermurph on November 05, 2013, 10:26:30 AM
Or "Thorn of Doom"... I want the "Spike of Fury" hammer.

Are we still talking USPSA? Or did we move on to Dungeons and Dragons?
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jabbermurph on November 05, 2013, 12:41:41 PM: Quote from: IDescribe on November 05, 2013, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: jabbermurph on November 05, 2013, 10:26:30 AM
Or "Thorn of Doom"... I want the "Spike of Fury" hammer.

Are we still talking USPSA? Or did we move on to Dungeons and Dragons?

You making an offer to be Dungeon Master? I've got the dies...lol

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Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: IDescribe on November 05, 2013, 03:58:00 PM: This is what happens when I have too much time. O0

(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7734/uin8.png)
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jabbermurph on November 05, 2013, 04:03:09 PM: bleep.....I almost wet my pants with that one.:D
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: IDescribe on November 05, 2013, 04:10:31 PM: You're welcome. ;D
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Denzien on November 05, 2013, 04:50:29 PM: Any idea how much longer we will have to wait to get our hands on these hammers?
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Clever Username on November 05, 2013, 04:59:15 PM: The race and ring are nice but please do an OEM option for production shooters.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: huskerlrrp on November 05, 2013, 08:10:49 PM: Wedge and OEM. I guess now I have to buy a P09.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jdubya87 on November 05, 2013, 08:11:27 PM: Quote from: huskerlrrp on November 05, 2013, 08:10:49 PM
Wedge and OEM. I guess now I have to buy a P09.

I keep checking everyday for Damascus to have them back in stock...
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Denzien on November 05, 2013, 09:54:08 PM: Quote from: huskerlrrp on November 05, 2013, 08:10:49 PM
Wedge and OEM. I guess now I have to buy a P09.

Or the P07, I believe...don't they use the same internals?
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: coolbox on November 05, 2013, 10:01:43 PM: Wedge
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: schmeky on November 05, 2013, 10:27:46 PM: Denizen,

Concerning your post #44, I think your question is valid. There is more to making this work than just the hammer. To turn the 07/09 series into a top performer, the disconnector and lifter must also be engineered to work in concert with the revised hammer. This means basically half of the lock work will be re-engineered.

Not easy, and I want to get this right the first time. But we are very, very close.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Denzien on November 05, 2013, 11:43:00 PM: Quote from: schmeky on November 05, 2013, 10:27:46 PM
Denizen,

Concerning your post #44...

(http://littleml.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg?w=497&h=311)
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: huskerlrrp on November 06, 2013, 06:34:26 AM: Quote from: Denzien on November 05, 2013, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: huskerlrrp on November 05, 2013, 08:10:49 PM
Wedge and OEM. I guess now I have to buy a P09.

Or the P07, I believe...don't they use the same internals?

Great, now I have to buy a P07 AND a P09. I thought I was through after the Shadows, IPSC Standard, and the "Cajun 97BE.
I'm going to have to get a second job...
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: PowerLimeman2 on November 06, 2013, 07:05:46 AM: I like the wedge best. It's different and stands out. It looks like it would work well for manually cocking it also.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: WOODMAN1465 on November 06, 2013, 02:05:01 PM: 1- wedge
2- ring
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: armoredman on November 06, 2013, 02:50:54 PM: Race.
Wedge.
In that order. ;)
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jameslovesjammie on November 06, 2013, 07:04:21 PM: Wedge.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: mkd on November 06, 2013, 07:22:51 PM: the ring that fit my p-01 is awesome! sit's low enough even with a tactical rear sight overhanging the slide to easily thumb the hammer back. something I could not do with the stock hammer. my vote is the ring, then race, then wedge.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jabbermurph on November 06, 2013, 07:52:40 PM: Quote from: jameslovesjammie on November 06, 2013, 07:04:21 PM
Wedge.
It's "Spike of Fury"....geez....you old guys have memory issues :D:P
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: 1SOW on November 06, 2013, 10:54:27 PM: OKAY, OKAY, to satisfy all, name it the................"THOR" Hammer:
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Denzien on November 06, 2013, 11:05:25 PM: If only "Mj?lnir" was easy to pronounce
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jameslovesjammie on November 06, 2013, 11:49:05 PM: Quote from: jabbermurph on November 06, 2013, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: jameslovesjammie on November 06, 2013, 07:04:21 PM
Wedge.
It's "Spike of Fury"....geez....you old guys have memory issues :D:P

Hey! I'm 33.

Quote from: Denzien on November 06, 2013, 11:05:25 PM
If only "Mj?lnir" was easy to pronounce

Myol...mjol..."Spike of Fury" it is!
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jinn707 on November 07, 2013, 05:54:56 PM: My vote is on:

1). Race
2). Wedge

I think CZs just look more awesome with square hammers. Schmeky, you're going to make me want to get a P07 or P09!
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: hensc on November 08, 2013, 10:15:38 AM: To supplement this thread and tally up the results for Schmeky, will you guys also go to this thread and cast your votes?

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=59520.0 (http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=59520.0)
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: m03 on November 10, 2013, 11:53:35 AM: 1) OEM
2) OEM

:)
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Llamafood on November 12, 2013, 10:09:15 AM: 1. RING

2. Wedge

3. Race
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Nimdabew on November 27, 2013, 01:10:04 PM: Pics of the prototypes on a gun?

1. Ring
2. OEM
3. Race
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Cali Crash on November 29, 2013, 05:19:28 PM: The P09 is the wife's so her preference is Spur followed by the wedge. If it were mine I'd be voting for the wedge, followed by the race.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: SCmalinois on November 30, 2013, 03:28:44 PM: 1. OEM
2. Race
3. Wedge
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Cycletroll on December 01, 2013, 03:50:12 PM: Ring and OEM.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: buell1070 on December 01, 2013, 06:31:54 PM: Race and second I like wedge.
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: designman on December 01, 2013, 07:41:04 PM: Here's my vote:

#1 Wedge
#2 OEM
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: buddhas on December 02, 2013, 11:25:32 PM: Ring #1 choice. Race #2 choice
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Cali Crash on December 04, 2013, 02:25:37 PM: Quote from: jdubya87 on November 05, 2013, 08:11:27 PM
Quote from: huskerlrrp on November 05, 2013, 08:10:49 PM
Wedge and OEM. I guess now I have to buy a P09.

I keep checking everyday for Damascus to have them back in stock...
Not sure if you saw, but Stuart got a couple in on Monday. I went ahead and ordered my second one from him since it'll be harder to bring into California after January first. The first one i ordered was for te wife. So now I can have a say in this poll as well! I pick wedge then race!
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Night Prowler on December 04, 2013, 06:52:14 PM: #1 OEM
#2 Wedge
#3 Ring
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jwo483 on December 05, 2013, 04:45:05 PM: Like Stuart said OEM for SSP !
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jabbermurph on December 05, 2013, 07:18:51 PM: Quote from: jwo483 on December 05, 2013, 04:45:05 PM
Like Stuart said OEM for SSP !

Quote from: schmeky on November 04, 2013, 09:26:46 PM
I am pretty confident the hammer we develop may become a "production" part. Can't elaborate any further at this point. Therefore keeping the OEM profile should not be a major consideration.

I'm hoping this means David is in cohoots with CZ-USA, lining these new hammers up as factory options. That would be 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Clever Username on December 05, 2013, 08:51:34 PM: Make it a classy shape like the Ring or race. Its ergonomics make it easier to decock
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: FutureSailor on December 05, 2013, 09:22:07 PM: Are any besides OEM production legal?
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: emjei on January 07, 2014, 10:51:35 AM: Quote from: FutureSailor on December 05, 2013, 09:22:07 PM
Are any besides OEM production legal?

I had the same question and since CZ doesnt make them....NO

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Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Agent 009 on January 07, 2014, 04:06:11 PM: I like the race and the wedge. Ring is nice too but I would love to see them installed while I am being super demanding. 8) great job. Are they available for purchase yet?
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: Coleman on January 19, 2014, 10:15:55 PM: Really like that ring and the wedge looks great to
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: jwo483 on January 22, 2014, 05:54:07 PM: The hammer Schmeky has up on his website (that I'm chomping at the bit to buy !) looks just like stock - don't ask, don't tell. O0
Title: Re: P-09 Hammer Time
Post by: emjei on January 22, 2014, 06:01:12 PM: Quote from: jwo483 on January 22, 2014, 05:54:07 PM
The hammer Schmeky has up on his website (that I'm chomping at the bit to buy !) looks just like stock - don't ask, don't tell. O0

I wonder if it will go by like OEM

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