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CZ LONG ARMS => VZ-58 semi auto rifle => Topic started by: Forced March on January 29, 2014, 11:48:05 AM
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WATCH THE VIDEO BELOW TO LEARN ABOUT MANY OF THE COMMON ISSUES WITH VZ RIFLES.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiOqNaY0_Kw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMXtPEd2dks&t=35s
My name is Morgan, I have been a TIG welder for 7 years. I can work with steel/stainless/aluminum/bronze, and I am confident I can help you with any of your 'legal' needs.
It's simple to use my services:
Step 1. Send me an email(forcedmarchfabrication@gmail.com) and we'll have a conversation about what it is that you need.
Step 2. Mail me your old part(s), a USPS money order, check, or cash for the full amount, along with a your name and return address clearly written.
Step 3. I mail you back your improved part(s).
Step 4. You get your budd to the range.
Generally, its a 7-14 business day turn around once the part(s) are in my possession. Rush orders will cost an additional 30, guaranteeing a 1 business day turnaround(highly recommended), PLEASE mention rush order in your inquiry so I can confirm that there is room in my schedule.
<<< all prices include return shipping AND the appearance/finish will always vary as everything listed below is lovingly handmade one at a time >>>
Some of the work that I do:
68 - Tabbing a bolt carrier (((I provide the tab, it is welded into place, ground down to the proper shape, and finally polished.)))
58-158 - Modifying or combining stock(s)
118 - To cut the front sight block in half at an angle and weld it to the gas block
78 - Adding a QD(quick disconnect) sling mount to the shaft of a folding stock (((specify whether your left or right handed)))
48 - Bronzing a front sight (((please take care not to fu*k it up with some shi*ty pliers when reinstalling it)))
48 - Slim extended bolt release, Option A
78 - Improved extended bolt release, Option B
138 - Fit and Polish service (((Does your VZ have resistance as it cycles in and out of battery, light primer strikes, does the bolt get hung up on cartridges, or other issues? Then you need this service. You send me all your internals and I will: go through them and look for damage, then repair or replace{{replacement for an additional fee}}, properly fit them together, and then polish the mating services. This will allow your rifle to function supremely better than how you got it - out of the box.)))
48 - Extended mag release
168 - Switching the charging handle to the left side
Parts are quenched in oil(this hardens the metal and inhibits rust) and returned to you unpainted.
All inquiries should be addressed to my email, forcedmarchfabrication@gmail.com
Thanks for your business,
Morgan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ugKopA2Ks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdN2srU6co4
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How about putting the pics up here?
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How about cut receiver welds? I understand that's sort of a vague question, just curious.
thanks
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I meant to type cut receiver re-welds.
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That stock looks great on the rifle.
Awesome job 8)
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Great, I'll see if I can get some decent pics. for you.
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Making this thread a sticky, for the time being.
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Just a suggestion, but offering and/or selling a charging handle might be a good addition too. Someone sells this service on gunbroker for $120 where they cut yours off, reweld and refinish, or you can buy a pinned and welded and finished one from vz58 rifle for $100-$110 depending on exchange rates.
Not sure if it makes sense for you or not, but a one stop bolt carrier shop would be great! Us for Ergos, us righties need both.
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Hey Morgan,
Just tried to send you an email, but it bounced back as undeliverable. I'd like to get my bolt tabbed if you're still offering the service.
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Hey Morgan,
Just tried to send you an email, but it bounced back as undeliverable. I'd like to get my bolt tabbed if you're still offering the service.
Use the second email link in his OP. The first one is misspelled.
I was a lurker but decided to sign up so I could give some feedback.
I sent my bolt carrier to be tabbed last week. Morgan had it a day. Very fast turnaround and good communications.
My VZ2008 has the gremlin problem so I'm hoping this will fix it. I'll find out this weekend.
Here are some pics
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/Mopower/2014-02-18185515_zps361f4ae2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/Mopower/2014-02-18185449_zpsd6ea22e3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/Mopower/2014-02-18185439_zps75b1851f.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/Mopower/2014-02-10190735_zpsaf827b40.jpg)
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Thanks for the heads up on the address, looks like it went through ok the second time around! Mod looks good, let us know how it performs!
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Just got my carrier back today. Tab looks great and look forward to putting it to use!
I'd post pictures, but it looks identical to the ones already posted by mopower.
Thanks again, Morgan!
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Thank you so much!
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I need the service for the bolt but I can't not fine the tab it self need some help so I can send it to you, can u get it for me a d ill pay you some xtra as long is something i can afford ill appreciate the feedback
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Finally got to shoot my VZ after getting the carrier tabbed. 40 rounds with no problems. Before I could only go about 5 before it got hung up. Hope this fix is permanent. ;D
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Just got the tabbed bolt carrier back from Forced March- great service, weld looks nice, clean and solid. He also caught a problem I hadn't noticed with the striker, so much thanks for that! Haven't tested out the fix yet, trying to get to the range this weekend, but it looks as good as I've seen on the rest of the net!
Thanks man, much appreciated!
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Shinzen do u know were to get the tab or if Morgan can provide it ?
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Thanks for the comments guys! I'm getting this down to a science.
I provide the tabs as they aren't available commercially. :-\
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I sent my carrier over to be tabbed as well. Can't wait to et it back. I will post picture of job when complete. Thanks!
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Received my carrier and........ My VZ2008 works perfect!!!!!
Thanks again!!!!
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I got my two tabbed carriers back from Morgan. His service was great and the carriers/tabs look superb. I mailed them on 3/11 from FL and got them back on 3/24. Now for some range time ;D
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Here's a dumb question....why do want the bolt carrier to be "tabbed?"
I really like the bolt release. Do you sell those yet?
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Here's a dumb question....why do want the bolt carrier to be "tabbed?"
There are no dumb questions here, so ask away.
For background on the Bolt Problem some people are having, see this thread: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=60834.0
I've not had issues yet (knock on wood), but I think it is interesting to know how to fix the problem, should it arise.
Hence, I determined that this thread should be a sticky for the present.
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Here's a dumb question....why do want the bolt carrier to be "tabbed?"
There are no dumb questions here, so ask away.
For background on the Bolt Problem some people are having, see this thread: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=60834.0
I've not had issues yet (knock on wood), but I think it is interesting to know how to fix the problem, should it arise.
Hence, I determined that this thread should be a sticky for the present.
Thanks!! I did the "test" and my bolt and carrier stay cocked so I guess I'm good.
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I just looked and I do have the tab on my carrier. Whew. Another problem solved :)
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Greetings Everyone,
Morgan did a tab for me as well and I must say that it is everything he stated it would be. Total turn-around was about a week (which included Saturday and Sunday). Mine dropped right in and functioned exactly as stated. I will attempt to get to the outdoor range (Weather Permitting) next week and bust a few caps to test the Live Fire Functionality and perhaps post a report. Morgan is a spot on professional and I would not hesitate to conduct business with him in the future. Now my VZ2008 is Good 2 Go thanks to Morgan! :) It's the best 50 Bucks I ever spent! :o
Chief Bob
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Another happy customer awesome work Morgan!!!!!!!! ;D
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Thanks!
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Morgan, Fantastic job, received your weld on the bolt carrier side plate (tab) and the extended bolt release. No problem with the install with your assistance, Very professional, with the Ambi mag release (thank you RSR), the bolt carrier fix and the extended bolt release It is one smooth puppy, Makes running the Vz a joy and a smoother less problematic manual of arms. I recommend your work highly. By the way it was a five day turnaround.
Ken M
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Another satisfied customer, thanks Morgan.
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Morgan was vey fast and easy to communicate with and the turn around time was amazing, under a week. I give all service work 2 weeks before checking on any status and my carrier returned right after i dropped it in the mailbox. My VZ runs wicked reliable and I would do business with this professional again. I did smooth down the tab with a bit of 600 grit sanpaper but it was fine running as recieved. Thanks!
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Thanks for your thoughts RSR, I have actually preformed that process before however I have not tested the results yet. I have a VZ compact project that has been sitting on a machinist's bench now for over a year and nothing. :( On it I have replaced the charging handle with that of end of one of the bolts that hold the fixed stock in place, so imagine beautiful fine threads and no strange nub at the end. Since the VZ compact isn't up and running, I have not had the opportunity to see if it wont fly off. :) As soon as I get the 'compact' blasting away everyone with get to see it.
FMF
Any progress on this service along with the tabbing? What about a drilled and tapped left hand charging handle rather than welded? Or drilled, press in, and welded, so one is not only relying on the weld? Is there even room to do such a thing? The Czech's should have put the charging handle on the left when they designed this gun.
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The Czech's should have put the charging handle on the left when they designed this gun.
That would have been my preference as well, like my L1A1 FN FAL's charging handle. May look into alternatives down the road for my Vz2008.
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The Czech's should have put the charging handle on the left when they designed this gun.
That would have been my preference as well, like my L1A1 FN FAL's charging handle. May look into alternatives down the road for my Vz2008.
FALs were probably one of the first modern rifle's with the left hand charging handle... FALs in general are exceptionally ergonomic/user-friendly, excluding the length and caliber (some also complain about mag insertion, but I like tilt and rock as I don't have to worry about my mags falling out...).
The VZ58s' charging handles are on the right as that was one of the mandatory project requirements from the get-go. The whys here are b/c they didn't want the rifle to get hung up on or otherwise have any malfunctions while on a sling/transition from a sling. Slings on this rifle were intended only for carry as best I can gather.
I'm guessing that this is the very same reason why the Garand, M1 Carbine, M14, M1A1, Ruger 10/22, Ruger Mini 14, etc., actions also all have the right side charging handle.
Well, and at the time of design, warfare doctrine had recently moved from the 1000 yard capable rifles of world war 1 to the 300-500m rifles to world war 2, to post world war 2 the sub/intermediate caliber rifles which were predominantly designed for w/in 300m.
And then current history, we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan with most troops were equipped w/ 20" barreled M16 rifles, with the M4 14.5" carbine not being widely adopted by the US military until 2002 (think less than 20k in service prior to Iraq Invasion). The type of urban conflict in Iraq in particular is what led to the widespread adoption, perhaps even fanaticism, of short barreled ARs....
And even now, the M4a1 improvements have not been fully implemented military wide (and despite proven reliability gains and drop in mods available, the M4a1 is still not short stroke piston driven, nor is it running a better performing short(er) barrel cartridge like .300 BLK...).
So still, in a lot of ways, the VZ58 remains ahead of it's time -- if you give it a fresh outfit.
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I just received my tabbed carrier from Morgan and I am very happy with the results. Preliminary range test was 150 rounds without a hitch. Excellent work.
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Just had my second carrier tabbed. Excellent work. Highly recommended. Thanks, Morgan.
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For any "doubters", here is an example of Morgan's work:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3852/14818176150_d3b227b2bd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ozr2vG)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3907/14818307907_31652032d3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ozrGFn)
I mailed the bolt carrier to Morgan on Friday (8/15) and received it back today (8/22), so only 7 days total.
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I just got back from the range today having tested my newly tabbed bolt carriers. Gremlin gone! Morgan does excellent work.
NukMed
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I sent 2 in to Morgan, which should arrive to him today or tomorrow. I will post photos, comments after I get them back and run a couple hundred rounds through them. I have been getting failures to fire on one of them in about every 1 or 2 magazines. Stay tuned 8)
Cheers,
Sam
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You won't be disappointed. He did two for me and my VZ2008s run like champs. Take his advise on smoothing the tabs.
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I just created an account to report - do not hestiate in dealing with this gentlemen. Communication was excellent, the work done was fantastic and affordable. My vz 2008 didn't have the gremlin yet.. but i wanted a carrier tabbed for peace of mind. Here are some of my photographs of his work.
Turn around time was 2-2.5wks.. which was perfectly acceptable to me.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3931/15480961795_2bf5d37ecc_b.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3941/15294244620_b8d5889dbe_c.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5608/15294381587_772bb148cc_c.jpg)
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(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2947/15480601742_ac9ca107fd_c.jpg)
Cheers.
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WOW!!!! Did I do that?!!! Lol, great photos, thanks for the props.
Morgan
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I had my bolt carrier tabbed by Morgan about a month ago. Finally made it to the range yesterday, and my VZ2008 ran perfectly. Yesterdays range session was totally different than my previous. No more fire one or two rounds and have to rack the bolt and carrier. Thanks again Morgan, excellent workmanship and fast turnaround.
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Thank you!
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Just got my carrier back from Morgan.
Very nice work ;D
I would highly recommend his service.
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Another carrier tabbed by Morgan. Excellent work.
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Thanks forced march! Sent 2 carriers to Morgan, excellent work! 100 rounds through each gun today, flawless, my mind is at rest!
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I sent a brand new unissued carrier that RTG carries to Morgan to tab. My 58s are all Czechpoints so they are already tabbed. This is a back up and like all previous posts the work is excellent as is the price, communication and turnaround.
If you have an un-tabbed carrier this is where to go.
Thank you sir.
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Just an update.
The first time out with my VZ2008 I had 1 in 10 maybe more times where I would have to rack the bolt to reset the trigger.
Fired 160 rounds today without one problem 8)
I will add that I changed both the recoil springs as well.
Thanks again Morgan !
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Thanks guys!
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Can we get some more pics of the gas block/front sight combo? Maybe one finished and installed? Thanks...
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My name is Morgan, I have been a TIG welder for 5 years, with over a 1000hrs spent on guns. I can work with steel/stainless/aluminum, and I am confident I can help you with any of your 'legal' needs.
What I am proposing is this;
Step 1. Email me (forcedmarchfabrication@gmail.com) and we have a conversation about just what it is that you need.
Step 2. You mail me the part(s), a USPS money order, check, or cash payment for the full amount, along with a name and return address.
Step 3. I mail you back the modified part(s).
Step 4. If your happy with the work please let everyone know by commenting on my post.
Some of the work that I do:
<<<shipping is included in the price, but please add $5 to each order for handling>>>
$50 - Tabbing a bolt carrier ((newer vz2008 you may require a brand new disconnector after this process is complete))
$50 - Adding a custom charging handle, or switching it to the left side ((not recommended unless you are left handed))
$90 - To cut the front sight block in half at an angle and weld it to the gas block
$60 - Adding a QD(quick disconnect) sling mount to the shaft of a folding stock ((specify whether your left or right handed))
$30 - Bronzing a front sight ((please add $10 if I am providing the front sight))
$100/200 - Weld a receiver together, i.e. two halves or one cut apart or one to be assembled(I am however not an FFL, all must be legal)
$40 - Extended bolt release, Option A
$60 - Extended bolt release, Option B
$30 - Extended mag release
All parts are quenched in oil(this hardens the metal and prohibits rust) and returned to you unpainted. Most of my exterior work has been left unpainted for months with no signs of rust though just to be certain, throw a coat of paint on it.
Generally a 7-10 day turn around once the part(s) are in my possession. Rush orders will cost an additional $20, guaranteeing a 2 day turnaround, PLEASE mention rush order in your inquiry so I can confirm that there is room in my schedule.
All inquiries should be addressed to my email, forcedmarchfabrication@gmail.com
Thanks for all the business,
Morgan
(http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s577/ForcedMarchFabrication/VZ%20Mods/WEBTabbing_zpsaa585cd8.jpg) (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/ForcedMarchFabrication/media/VZ%20Mods/WEBTabbing_zpsaa585cd8.jpg.html)
(http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s577/ForcedMarchFabrication/VZ%20Mods/WEBBronzedFrontSight_zps86acefde.jpg) (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/ForcedMarchFabrication/media/VZ%20Mods/WEBBronzedFrontSight_zps86acefde.jpg.html)
(http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s577/ForcedMarchFabrication/VZ%20Mods/WEBBoltRelease_zps084002c8.jpg) (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/ForcedMarchFabrication/media/VZ%20Mods/WEBBoltRelease_zps084002c8.jpg.html)
(http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s577/ForcedMarchFabrication/VZ%20Mods/WEBPicatinnyRail_zps5ed13990.jpg) (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/ForcedMarchFabrication/media/VZ%20Mods/WEBPicatinnyRail_zps5ed13990.jpg.html)
(http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s577/ForcedMarchFabrication/VZ%20Mods/WEBChargingHandle_zpsc7f421a9.jpg) (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/ForcedMarchFabrication/media/VZ%20Mods/WEBChargingHandle_zpsc7f421a9.jpg.html)
(http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s577/ForcedMarchFabrication/VZ%20Mods/WEBGasBlock-FrontSight_zps9f83ce1f.jpg) (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/ForcedMarchFabrication/media/VZ%20Mods/WEBGasBlock-FrontSight_zps9f83ce1f.jpg.html)
I would email but this bleep viglink garbage redirected me to a useless broken link... Wtf is going on with Tapatalk and viglink... I am a paying member of Tapatalk..... I'm furious!
Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk
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Sent you an email, March
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March, I'm about to purchase a VZ2008. Just to be sure, you can tab these bolts as well, correct? If so, I'll have one headed your way as soon as I can get my hands on it.
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Oops I forgot to reply after I got my carriers back...I sent 2 off and Morgan hooked me up. Great work, nice welds, zero issues with 500 + rounds through both since I got them back
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On the tabbed carrier, someone on gunboards made the comment that perhaps the tab should be slanted in front. See text below. From what I can tell the CSA design was squared in front so I suppose that is what people are following and report that it works. But I wonder why it is squared in front like it is. Can anyone offer perspective on why it is typically squarish, or which shape would seem like it should be optimal according to the carrier/disconnect geometry?
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?317533-Help!-VZ58-striker-not-catching
05-29-2013, 12:10
"One thing that I've noticed with some of the "tabbed" bolt carrier photos online is that the end of the tab is squared off. I think it would be better for the disconnector if the angle on the front side of the tab is shaped such that it has the same angle as the original bolt carrier. Considering the way the disconnector sits (at a slight angle to the rear), as the bolt carrier moves from it's rear position forward, the angled surface will allow the disconnector to be pushed down a little more gradually like the original design."
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"March, I'm about to purchase a VZ2008. Just to be sure, you can tab these bolts as well, correct? If so, I'll have one headed your way as soon as I can get my hands on it."
Yes I can
"On the tabbed carrier, someone on gunboards made the comment that perhaps the tab should be slanted in front. See text below. From what I can tell the CSA design was squared in front so I suppose that is what people are following and report that it works. But I wonder why it is squared in front like it is. Can anyone offer perspective on why it is typically squarish, or which shape would seem like it should be optimal according to the carrier/disconnect geometry?"
Mine end up rounded and at a slight angle.
"Can we get some more pics of the gas block/front sight combo? Maybe one finished and installed? Thanks... "
I never installed it, however here is a link to someone else's who has:
http://www.sa58.cz/news/nova-pekna-uprava-fsn-01-kv-hunter/
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Morgan,
I have sent you messages (email and voice mail), please give me an update.
Thanks,
Terry
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Outstanding work, and definitely worth the wait. Thanks Again.
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Morgan, I just wanted to say thanks for tabbing my bolt and also mention that before the service I always had a little catch if I guided the bolt carefully back into battery on my 2008. I would have to instruct others shooting my rifle for the fist time to rack the bolt back and let go otherwise it would not feed properly unless it was one violent action. After your service the bolt glides smoothly and it resets the trigger like it should without out any quirks. I'm quiet impressed and should have taken care of this sooner.
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Thanks guys!
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See that you mentioned tabbing may require a brand new disconnector on newer VZ2008, is this referring to the "updated" Century disconnector with the side ground off? Can you provide any details on what problem is occurring with these? Thanks!
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They're less than $20 at CNC warrior and US made. All the same part dimensions best as I can tell.
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See that you mentioned tabbing may require a brand new disconnector on newer VZ2008, is this referring to the "updated" Century disconnector with the side ground off? Can you provide any details on what problem is occurring with these? Thanks!
VZ's can vary internally ever so slightly, the Century "modified" disconnector isn't as versatile as the original. After the tabbing process is complete, if there are any issues (and they are REALLY rare) check to see if your disconnector is flat on top, if it is, replace it. Otherwise don't replace it if you haven't an issue.
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See that you mentioned tabbing may require a brand new disconnector on newer VZ2008, is this referring to the "updated" Century disconnector with the side ground off? Can you provide any details on what problem is occurring with these? Thanks!
VZ's can vary internally ever so slightly, the Century "modified" disconnector isn't as versatile as the original. After the tabbing process is complete, if there are any issues (and they are REALLY rare) check to see if your disconnector is flat on top, if it is, replace it. Otherwise don't replace it if you haven't an issue.
I have three carriers tabbed by Morgan, and all interact with Century's modified disconnector with no problems. Highly recommend the tabbing.
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Sent my 4 BCs to Morgan for tabbing. He's very good at getting back to you and his work has been represented here as being top notch. I'm confident and excited to get them back and try them out.
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Morgan/others
I have a ORF receiver that I am building with a CZ kit. The receiver looks to be excellent. Is there any need to have it hardened? Treated? Case or otherwise?
Thanks,
John
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That is a good question. My experience was that they were plenty hard enough, also they require a fair amount of tooling to get them to fit up right... In my estimation, its alot like starting with a bad 80% lower. :)
I'd buy one again, but now I know what I am getting myself into...
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Forced,
I have drilled 1/4 inch holes in the receiver to allow for new rivets to be used. I used a new Titanium Nitride bit, the bright yellow kind, and cutting oil. I have two receivers and I got two holes, of the 4, drilled and they chirped and squeaked but the drill press pushed them through making the appropriate spiral shaving. On the third hole the bit stopped cutting. my first reaction was that I had found a "hard spot" in the second receiver. Got a "new" hi-speed bit chucked and it dulled in just a few turns. These receivers are very "hard" as i got them. A pleasant surprise.
Thanks for your answer.
John
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I never use hard drill bits. Sheeeeet on them!
Hard drill bits are a billion times more likely to shatter and get stuck in things, WHICH can cause people to abandon a project, that's how bad they are. Always use simple/cheap 'high speed steel' or 'ss' for short. Oh, and lots of oil. They go dull faster but then who cares?!!! Sharpen them. :)
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Thank you Force. Good point.....especially the part about oil.
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I just received back my 2nd bolt carrier tabbed from Forced March. Both of them were top notch!! Communication, speed and best of all the work done was top notch. I sent the gentlemen $75 each time and suggest others do the same if you can afford it. I can't see how he makes any money doing them for $50. He is providing the tab and paying the return shipping. Forced March - Thank you!! I shot my VZ over the weekend and it ran flawlessly! Do you think I should keep paint on the bolt carrier to prevent rust?
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Do you think I should keep paint on the bolt carrier to prevent rust?
That's a good and timely question for me. Forced....?
Thanks
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For me, painting the inside of a gun is strictly for peace of mind. :) It sure as sheet wont hurt. I just like a good gun oil.
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If the paint is removed from rubbing, then touching it up is pointless... If it's not, either paint or cold blue would work... Both will reduce the amount/rate of rust in the event your weapon is stored w/o oil, corrosive ammo w/o cleaning, or other similar less than ideal environments...
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Not sure if I left feedback here but I sent 4 carriers to Morgan and the work was top notch. Absolutely satisfied (actually) with the workmanship. Order his work with confidence and don't hesitate to pm me if you have any questions!!!
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New services offered. See original post.
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I think we need to start refering to him as SUPER MORGAN!!!! ;)
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I agree! I joined the forum for the specific purpose of throwing in my ten cents about Morgan. He has welded two tabs for me and of course both were perfect.
I recently booked a 10 day vacation that included a couple of days in Seattle. Having never been there I asked Morgan to suggest some things to do/eat etc. He did so and very graciously invited me to come to his shop.
After one misfire due to my plane being delayed we got together on the morning of the day that I was set to leave Seattle. From the get go Morgan really impressed me with his VZ IQ. Definitely a lot higher than mine. We talked for a couple of hours and he showed me several weapons and explained some of his techniques. I was really blown away! In fact, if I had not been leaving town at a specific time I could have and wanted to stay a whole lot longer. He has definitely done his homework on these things and it shows so buy with confidence!
Also, I bought a bolt and mag release while there. It may be a bit before I get them swapped out. Right now I am paying the price of going on vacation! Anyway when I get them done I'll come back with a report!
UPDATE: I'm a bad boy. Decided to forego weed eating (much as I wanted to do it) in favor of replacing these parts. Pretty snappy. Pin goes out left to right. Had a small amount of trouble realigning the mag release but that is cuz of my big ass hands. Mag release is a big improvement. At first I thought the bolt release was not working correctly, but after a minute I realized that I was trying to activate it on the empty mag..Duh what would be the point of that? As I said low VZ IQ!. I had actually given up on the stock release because it was so balky so this is great.!!
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I have not met Morgan in person yet, but we have spent a few hours on the phone working through some issues on my guns. His advice and helpfulness has been TOP NOTCH!!!!. Hence my new nickname for him is.... SUPER MORGAN!!!
But seriously, he seems to be a great guy and i hope that a lasting friendship will develop beyond our present gun / business relationship!!!
Gene
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Another satisfied customer here! Had my carrier tabbed by Forced March and the workmanship is excellent. Quick turn around, pleasant attitude, and reasonably priced......what more could you want?
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Took my newly tabbed carrier to the range and still had issues.Morgans work is top grade, but I have other problems causing my failures. The tab did reduce some of the instances, but I am still getting a dead trigger. After posting this on a new thread Morgan popped up and replied with an answer that described my issue exactly, and he offered to work on my trigger group, recreate the problem, and repair it if I will send the parts to him. I'm blown away.
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Another very satisfied customer of Forced March Firearms Innovations. Had my bolt carrier tabbed by Morgan back in May and the workmanship is excellent. Quick turn around (especially considering the distances involved ;D), pleasant attitude, and reasonably priced......what more could you want? If you're thinking about a modification by Forced March - don't hesitate! You won't be sorry. :D
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Thanks, I've just added some new services/prices.
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Hi,
I'm a first time poster that recently picked up a new VZ2008 2 weeks ago that had the "Trigger Gremlin" where the striker follows the bolt into battery after firing. It was happening about 5% of the time. I tried stiffening the sear spring like shown in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oArqQoDuWMY) with no effect.
After looking at the gun I can really see why the only why to make these guns reliability function after the semi conversion is to tab the bolt carrier. I saw this forum and sent the bolt carrier to Morgan last Wednesday (8/12) from Minnesota and received it back today (Monday - 8/17). Wow, that was fast ;D. The workmanship is excellent, just like the pictures other users have posted on these forums. He really knows what he's doing.
I haven't had a chance to test the gun out but I'm sure this will fix it. Will post results but in the interim if you have one of these VZ2008's with the striker following the bolt into battery don't hesitate to send it to Morgan.
Best Regards,
Porter Wagoner
PS It seemed when I rode the trigger the striker follow would happen more often than when I did a quick pull and release. I can really understand why one person wouldn't have an issue while another one would with the same gun.
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Hey there. First time to post here in these forums. What brings me here is Morgan at Forced March.
I recently sent my carrier in for a tab due to light strikes/failure to fire issues on my PSA VZ2008. I would say 1 out of 10-20 rounds I would experience a light primer strike. Morgan received it the 10th of August and had it finished and returned by the 17th. Geography may have helped, but from what I've read Morgan is a speedy fellow.
The workmanship on this tab was amazing. Someone who doesn't know what the carrier looks like would not be able to tell this was an "upgrade". I showed it to my son, whom is mildly familiar with this rifle and he did not notice.
Great solid weld, oh so smooth polished end product. Communication was speedy, product outstanding. Give this guy your business, you will not be disappointed! Keep up the great work Morgan! 8)
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Hey folks.
Just a range update. Finally got out to the range to test out the tabbed carrier, hopefully resolving the "light strike" issue my rifle was experiencing. I was so elated I went again just today.
IT WORKED! 8) 5 mags and 150 rounds later at the first visit, not ONE issue! Today, another 5 mags, of course 150 rounds again, not a bleep issue. So 300 rounds, not one light strike.
Morgan is a worker of magic and well, metal. :P Highly considering a trigger job after watching his newly updated videos in the original post. But the trigger pull/travel amount doesn't really bother me much. Can I fire as fast as Morgan? No, but bleeped close. ;) Thanks again Forced March Fabrication, I now trust my VZ 99.9%! 8)
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My VZ58 works perfectly now! Thanks for tabbing the carrier
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Hello,
Sorry for the late reply. I still had some issues with the rifle after receiving the tabbed carrier back from Morgan. It went from having the striker following the bolt into battery about 5% of the time to every other or every third shot. When I had cycled the gun, with the trigger depressed, the striker would following the bolt into battery every time. The only way to make the gun cycle normally was to remove the top cover and press down on the bolt carrier while drawing it to the rear. When I did this the bolt carrier would stroke the disconnector enough to trip the sear and catch the striker. It seemed otherwise like the carrier was riding up and over the disconnector.
I sent the trigger, disconnector, sear and safety to him and he was able to determine they were interfering with the bottom of the receiver. I went back and looked at the receiver and you could see very faint marks where the disconnector and sear were impacting the receiver. Bravo to Morgan for realizing this just from the parts I sent him :).
He removed some material from the bottom of the disconnector and sear. I reinstalled them and so far have fired 100 rounds with no issues.
Best Regards,
Port Wagoner
PS This gun was a Century VZ2008 I bough at a local retailer August of this year. The gun was brand new but the sticker on the trigger tag said the gun was made in May 2013 and shipped September 2013. It came with 5 mags, bayonet and accessories (like the deal PSA was running not too long ago).
PPS I also wanted to mention the first gun I looked at when purchasing this one had an incredibly canted front sight so they unboxed a second one, which is the one I ended up buying but still have problems with. Moral of the story is these Century VZ2008's are really hit and miss. Morgan made everything right and I actually got Century to issue me an RMA that I won't need but I won't buy one again unless I got to look it over and test fire it for 50 rounds.
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Morgan invited me to his shop, and then proceeded to work on my recently acquired N.O.S. VZ2008. In one day he completed the trigger job, added and polished a bolt tab, tuned the disconnector, sear, trigger mechanism feather/spring and polished bolt contact surfaces for smooth operation. Took the VZ2008 to the range and have 100 rounds through it with great success and absolutely no issues. A friend, a former Army Marksmanship Unit member, was very impressed with the short reset, smooth trigger, and wanted to trade his AR15. Morgan's FMFInnovation work appreciably added to the nice groupings and follow-up shot recovery back on to target. It was a pleasure, and he is a font of knowledge. Highly recommended. Well worth it.
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I popped a primer in my 08 and needed a new firing pin. While the rifle was down I went ahead and got the carrier tabbed. I also sent the trigger group, bolt, new extractor and pin along to have everything fit. I just got everything put back together, (using Morgan's videos by the way), and the action feels great. Now I need some range time. Thanks Morgan!
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Haven't posted in a bit, been pretty busy. After receiving my tabbed carrier I still had a few hangups. I posted another thread about my issues, and Morgan put me on the track of how to clean up the trigger/sear interface. He even offered to look at them if I wanted to send the FCG to him. After looking at a couple videos, I was confident enough to try myself. It only took a minor bit of filing and polishing, and no more Gremlin! With two range days and some intense rifle drills, I haven't had one hang up! I now feel 100% confidence in this rifle. A great gun, just needs some tinkering to get the bugs out. Thanks again Morgan for the top notch work and advice.
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I took my VZ2008 to have Morgan of Forced March Fabrication install a carrier tab and address the long, mushy and altogether garbage trigger that it came with.
After a few hours of hanging out in his workshop I immediately "ran to the hills" (thanks Morgan) to test his workmanship. To say that I am highly impressed would be an understatement. I now have a trigger that is super crisp but not too light. It is a dream to fire. Thanks Morgan!
I will be back for more mods.
Contact Morgan at forcedmarchfabrication@gmail.com
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Called Morgan about a problem I was having after installing a CNC Warrior FCG. Never had a better conversation about guns and fixes. All is now well.
Thank you Morgan
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Another happy customer here, sent my carrier in for tabbing, very clean work.
Never had any issues with trigger gremlin, but while someone as reliable as Forced March Fab. was doing this kind of work I figured I'd get it done now instead of waiting. Glad I did.
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I created an account here just so I could thank Morgan for the advice he gave me. I had some minor issues with my VZ 2008. My bolt carrier was dragging in the receiver and also my extractor was contacting with the chamber face. He explained what I should do to address these problems without any expectations of compensation. I am in college currently and don't have much cash so that means a lot to me. Anyways, I took his advice and went for it today. Getting the bolt to stop dragging was extremely easy. getting the extractor out was a pain. I ended up impaling my finger with that little sharp tool that comes with the rifle. One of those moments where you think "I should probabaly be wearing gloves..." Right before it happens Haha
I also noticed that once I trimmed down the extractor that the locking lugs fully engage easier. I used to have to apply a little pressure to the bolt when it was on the rails, without the carrier, to get it to go forward fully. Thanks again for all the help. I will definitely be recommending you to anyone who needs work on on of these rifles.
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I created an account here just so I could thank Morgan for the advice he gave me. I had some minor issues with my VZ 2008. My bolt carrier was dragging in the receiver and also my extractor was contacting with the chamber face. He explained what I should do to address these problems without any expectations of compensation. I am in college currently and don't have much cash so that means a lot to me. Anyways, I took his advice and went for it today. Getting the bolt to stop dragging was extremely easy. getting the extractor out was a pain. I ended up impaling my finger with that little sharp tool that comes with the rifle. One of those moments where you think "I should probabaly be wearing gloves..." Right before it happens Haha
I also noticed that once I trimmed down the extractor that the locking lugs fully engage easier. I used to have to apply a little pressure to the bolt when it was on the rails, without the carrier, to get it to go forward fully. Thanks again for all the help. I will definitely be recommending you to anyone who needs work on on of these rifles.
A detailed post/thread about how you fixed your problems would be much appreciated.
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I too found this service through much internet searching about the gremlin. I just sent my carrier to Morgan to get tabbed. It came back in great shape within a couple weeks, I'm very happy to have found this thread. I hope to do more testing on the performance later.
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I contacted Morgan about sending him a surplus bolt and premade tab from Czechpoint USA for use in a Century built VZ2008. He welded the tab on and shipped it back to me USPS express as I requested. I would recommend his services to anyone interested. I never had the gremlin in the three to four hundred rounds I put through the rifle. However, the tab is a nice reassurance that the sear reseter will always be struck as the bolt passes over it. Thanks again Morgan! I haven't fired it under live fire yet but it has zero issues with dry fire. I'll have to test it live sometime later this week :D
https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/bolt-carrier--762x39-
That's the carrier I bought. I decided to do that as I didn't want to send the bolt carrier from my rifle. I didn't want to leave it disabled for two to three weeks or so. Just though I'd throw it out there as another option. On a side note, the finish on the surplus carrier I received was actually pretty decent. Yeah there was orange peel but nothing too bad. It definitely looks used but still has most of the finish left, I'd rate it 80% or better finish left.
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Use caution/check headspace when changing bcg, bolt, or locking piece w/ this rifle...
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As far as I can tell the bolt travel is exactly the same and the locking lugs fully lock. I do respect your words of caution and it is a valid point.
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Just wanted to note -- bolt carriers are the fairly unlikely to cause an issue, but could .
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Have these got a web site?? Thanks
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Hey guys, is this service still available? Can someone give me the info on who to contact? Or what exactly I need to do? I just recently got the gremlin and I just put a bunch of money into this rifle to make it combat ready so I'm a bit dissapointed and would love to get it fixed :/
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PM forced march here or send email to the email listed in the very first post of this thread.
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PM forced march here or send email to the email listed in the very first post of this thread.
Awesome thank you man!
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In looking at my carrier, I think it was already tabbed before I got it. Gonna try to attach a pic here...
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Eureka, you lucky guy, yours is tabbed already! Where did you buy it, was is it a NIB Century VZ2008? It would be great if they are shipping them that way now. How does the gun run? Any trigger reset failures?
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Eureka, you lucky guy, yours is tabbed already! Where did you buy it, was is it a NIB Century VZ2008? It would be great if they are shipping them that way now. How does the gun run? Any trigger reset failures?
As far as I know it was born that way. I acquired it by trade. No failures in the 2 mags I?ve put thru it. Gun runs just fine.
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FYI... This guy is still accepting work as of Aug 2020.
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Does he still take work ? I emailed him about a week ago with no reply. I don't have enough posts yet to pm or see if he has forum activity.
Ps sorry for bumping a old thread.