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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ75, 75b, 75 SAO inc the Transitional => Topic started by: ThompsonCustom on February 23, 2014, 12:14:35 PM
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Wondering if anyone has ever had there CZ high gloss hot blued like the Colt python royal blue were it's so glossy it's like a black mirror. Did some looking online and seen this CZ but that's not glossy enough for what I was talking about looking for someone that has something more like this.
Not this
(http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/hakan/cz-1.jpg)
More like this
(http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads18/coltROYALblue1300670094.jpg)
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Yeah, I've always loved the Colt / Ruger, HiGloss, Black / Blue
Seems that no one does that any more
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That shiny is prettier than chrome shiny..........
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That shiny is prettier than chrome shiny..........
Like all the new "Black Chrome" parts coming out nowdays
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Your first picture isn't showing. So I don't know if it's a factory blued 75. But CZ had them in the past. And they look pretty good.
I'd bet if you got a 75 done right. It would look really good like that 1911.
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That looks hella good! My 97 and one of my SP-01's looks like that top blued CZ. My Harley is all blacked out and has a few spots with black chrome that looks a little like that. Never personally seen it on a gun before, that'd be hella nice. How would one go about getting something like that done to their firearm?
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Perty - Just Perty! ;)
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I've owned two of these over the years, but always let them go to a CZ fan who would probably keep them in museum quality. I always shot them, and knew that eventually they would not be museum quality for long. They were original, bright blued, short rail CZ75's, produced around 1977. (http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC04244.jpg) (http://s106.photobucket.com/user/matquig/media/DSC04244.jpg.html)
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there is are companies that sell classics like the 1903 Colt .32 re-blued to that uber shiny blueing on gunbroker. Lotta bucks. Montelongo is one of them
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=333237 why you don't see many nitre blued guns
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Have no idea what it looks like on a gun, but I noticed Cerakote has a color they call Royal Blue. The color swatch looks good on my screen, but I'd love to see a gun done with it.
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I've been playing around with the idea of trying it at home. I have paper up to 5k grit and a fully adjustable speed bench grinder/polisher that I could take it up to 10k/15k grit on, hopefully without rounding things. I wonder how high they go for a good high gloss blue job.
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Hi Folks...wild goose chase here...would love to find a polished blue CZ 75 B.....is this out of the question ? any suggestions ?
Thank you
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a friend has one of the anniversary models and it has a really nice deep glossy blue finish.
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That's a beautiful finish for a display piece. My holsters would start to make it look rather plain after a while.
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Hi Folks...wild goose chase here...would love to find a polished blue CZ 75 B.....is this out of the question ? any suggestions ?
I would call cz usa and cz custom and see if they can order one from the mothership.
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I would love a blued CZ 75 with just the right grips. ..
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Thanks...ca;;ed CZ USA and the girl on the line said no way to get a polished blue nor any way to order one in the future...very short over the phone
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Hmm... I wonder what it would cost to have one refinished.
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Thanks...ca;;ed CZ USA and the girl on the line said no way to get a polished blue nor any way to order one in the future...very short over the phone
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=395740540
They show up more than one would think
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Hmm... I wonder what it would cost to have one refinished.
I don't know but if colt would refinish one in there high gloss royal blue that's the way I would go.
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That is an amazing finish!
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Well decided to try my hand at this so will see how it turns out. Doing this to a pre B right now I've got the slide polished up to 15k grit and man does it shine. I'd take some pics but my PC is down so I'm not sure how to do it from my android.
Frame looks like its gonna be a pain in the butt but I'm sure with enough time I'll get it done.
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Could you start with a high polished ss
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(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140410_182043334_zps0vo6j9p6.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140410_182053747_zpsfeklec6f.jpg)
Figured it out. Just taken with my phone so not the best. As far as I know u can't use stainless but if you could that would be great.
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Man, that's beautiful.
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A lgs posted on a local forum that they would have 75b's in gloss blue sometime in this week.
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Hmmm that's weird czc told me they discontinued them some time back and are no longer available.
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Hmmm that's weird czc told me they discontinued them some time back and are no longer available.
That's what I was thinking. I went there yesterday, but didn't see any. I could pm them and ask what the deal is. I wonder if it's a special production run like what Ruger did with Lipsey's on their Royal Blue GP-100's.
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Buds guns has a cz75 b gloss blue, but its a bad pic of it. if it was a good pic and looked good I would be showing you instead of typing this.
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I'm sure you could still get ahold of some new old stock even if they did stop making them. Personally I just wanted to see if I could do it and hopefully do it better. I stopped at 15k so will see how that compares to cz's glossy blued but if you have the time you could go up to 100k not sure it would be worth the extra time and money tho.
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This is very beautiful. 'Polished' has a new definition now. Waiting to see the final product.
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1985 hi-polished blue
(http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy178/WaA66/IMG_0447.jpg)
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Got any more pics? She's a beauty.
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I will try to take some more tomorrow.
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To my knowledge, CZ-UB has never produced a deep, high-gloss blued finish of the type seen on pre-war S&W revolvers or commercial Colts. I have never seen any of their pre-war export CZ-24s in mint condition, but my understanding is that these were about as close as it gets.
In English translation, all of the CZ-UB literature refers to the CZ-75 Type A finishes as either "gloss blued" or "matte blued." The "gloss blue" specimens I have seen (all heavily used) don't look nearly as good as the photo CZU posted above. That said, you may notice that CZU's pistol does not have the depth and accents associated with pre-war hot bluing or color case-hardening techniques. (To be fair, that may be a lighting problem; I have found that photographing firearms is not easy.)
I have seen pictures of a few short-rail specimens with beautiful blued finishes, but I suspect these were done by Frankonia or some other third party.
The best OOB finishes I have ever seen came from Frankonia and Sphinx/ITM. Frankonia finishes are mostly "refinishes" in the sense that they bought pistols from CZ-UB in various states of completion and "re-worked" them for sale. To clarify, some of these pistols were essentially just routed through West Germany to "legalize" them, while others were bought before finishing and heavily modified by Frankonia or its subcontractors before bringing them to market. I have seen pictures of some very nice Frankonia blued finishes. To my knowledge, Sphinx/ITM essentially bought some Tanfoglio components and built what we would now call semi-custom pistols on that platform. (I can't recall the model, but Sphinx did have a relatively "cheap" offering that may have been just a dressed-up Tanfoglio as well.) Their finishes are all outstanding, but I have never seen one with a uniform, deep, high-gloss blued finish. They tend to be two-toned, as do many Frankonia models. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if an overseas member posted a pic of a Frankonia or Sphinx pistol that fit the bill. These were not mass-produced handguns as we would understand that term.
That said, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of people in the U.S. that could produce the effect you desire by refinishing.
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Just a update, finally got around to working on the frame. Now just the safety, slide release, hammer and any other little parts I can think of are left.
Here's some pics of the frame.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture001_zps3dc57c4d.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture004_zps2edca5d7.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture005_zps229952ff.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture007_zpscc03eb1b.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture008_zps1c8c4c2c.jpg)
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I'm sorry. I just had to pick my jaw up off the ground.
That is absolutely AMAZING! I'm assuming that's hot blued?
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The pictures above are just the bare polished metal. Gonna wait to hot blue everything at once, also gonna start with the smaller pieces to see what the best amount of time in the hot blue bath is.
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The bare polished metal looks amazing already. Can't wait to see the end result.
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If anybody is interested Damascus Gun Shop has the glossy blue 75b in stock but it's not a good picture and I can't tell how shiny it is. http://www.damascusgunshop.com/shop/pistols/cz-75/cz-75-b-9mm-glossy-blue-p294.html - Bodene
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This is beautiful work. Amazing.
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Thanks everyone glad you guys like it. Did a little more today polished up most of the little parts: hammer, slide stop, safety, mag release, extractor. Pretty much everything on the outside. I did forget to do the right side of the slide stop and safety so I'll have to do that before bluing but I'm hoping to get to that this weekend if I have the time.
Here are a couple more glamor shoots with the barrel, slide stop and safety in.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture014_zps7f381b75.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture004_zpsb7bf0f7b.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture009_zps10678ef4.jpg)
Sure does look like chrome kind of a shame to blue it if it doesn't turn out. Fingers crossed!!!
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not to hijack but notice the Angus thread that they just got glossy blue 75b's in.
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Looking really nice so far ThompsonCustom hope it turns out the way you want. - Bodene
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Held a cz glossy blue to day at the lgs, was not impressed. On the other hand I think Thomson Custom has the right idea cant wait to see how it turns out.
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Well had time to do some bluing today and here's where i'm sitting. Slide turned out great nice and black, the color is really good a nice deep dark black. Same with all the small parts; hammer, mag release, safety, extractor, screws, mag base plate, and firing pin.
Now here's where things took a turn for the worse. The frame got some red soot build up on it like the other parts but it seems that it's not soot and doesn't wipe off like it did on everything else. I don't know if it's flash rusted now or what but it's going to have to be sanded down again how far i don't know yet.
Maybe someone that does hot bluing can tell me where I went wrong.
Solution is 5 lbs lye 2.5lbs sodium nitrate and 2 gallons water. The first problem I ran into was I could not get above 230 degrees I even changed heating sources and still nothing after about 2 hours and a lot of fluid boiling away I was able to hit 250. I decided to just add some parts to see if they would take color and half of them did. With the lid on the pot I was able to turn parts black so I started bluing everything but by the time the slide and frame were done the heat was above 300. The only difference between the slide and frame is I took the slide out about 5 mins sooner and cleaned off the red soot but when I went to do the frame no such luck. I put the frame on the buffing wheel to see if I could remove it that way and it didn't work so I'm gonna have to start over.
Added: I think I figured out half of my question the red color whatever it is, is causes from being to hot. Now I just need to figure out what I need to add more of to bring the temp from 250 to 285-295 without boiling most of it away.
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Here's some pics of the slide. it's as black and black could be but outside it caughtes so much light it's hard to tell.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture002_zps18600bc2.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture004_zps6df0349d.jpg)
I'll get some better pictures up when I get everything figured out with the frame.
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That's incredible. Would you offer polishing services ever?
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I just picked up a CZ 75B Blued from my FFL that I bought through Bud's. BTW, Bud's delivered to my FFL in less than 48 hours from the time I placed the order. I was of the opinion that the blued models were discontinued in 2008 and I was buying new old stock. Not the case. Mine was manufactured and test fired in September 2013. There is a "13" stamped to the left of the slide S/N. Plus, the copy of the shooting report indicates it was test fired Sep. 20, 2013. So, CZ is now supplying new blued models. BTW, the blueing is very nice. One other surprise; there's no magazine stop on my model as with other CZ 75B's. Love the gun, I'm a happy camper.
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That's incredible. Would you offer polishing services ever?
Well not complete guns, it's just to much work and I don't have the time or the FFL. But maybe small part so people could complete there already glossy guns.
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I just picked up a CZ 75B Blued from my FFL that I bought through Bud's. BTW, Bud's delivered to my FFL in less than 48 hours from the time I placed the order. I was of the opinion that the blued models were discontinued in 2008 and I was buying new old stock. Not the case. Mine was manufactured and test fired in September 2013. There is a "13" stamped to the left of the slide S/N. Plus, the copy of the shooting report indicates it was test fired Sep. 20, 2013. So, CZ is now supplying new blued models. BTW, the blueing is very nice. One other surprise; there's no magazine stop on my model as with other CZ 75B's. Love the gun, I'm a happy camper.
I was also under the impression that they were discontinued in 2008. CZ-UB never scraps anything within specs., which results in the occasional curiosity/unique item. You used to see more of these "atypical" pistols when CZ-USA first became the sole importer. A five-year gap suggests that they are offering blued models again, though.
By magazine stop do you mean the magazine brake? A flat spring over the mainspring?
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We recently got a delivery of the supposedly discontinued CZ 75 Glossy blue pistol. ANyone wishing to do this hi polish should start with this glossy blue, "perfect" finish pistol.
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Any updates on the frame, or complete handgun finished? I can't wait to see the end product :D
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Lol sorry no real updates was also working on a browning hi power and just got that out the door. The frame just needs ran over the buffing wheel quick and then can be reblued. Just need to find the time.
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I've had several Pre Bs restored including three with the deep, rich blue finish you are talking about. A couple of them came back looking almost wet they were so finely polished. Typically not my style as I am a "working mans gun" kinda guy, but certainly love the look that throws back to the pre war Colts that we all remember fondly. For my latest batch of refinished (blued) CZ75s (all dated from 86-87) I requested a medium grade blue which requires less hand polishing, and in turn, less of that wet glossy look. If the photos attach properly, you will see that they look almost chrome. I assure you they are dead, deep, rich blue (black).
~Polemos~
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5449/cz1o.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8279/cz3w.jpg
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9043/cz2kl.jpg
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Polemos that pre B looks amazing who did the refinishing work?
Update: did some testing on the bluing solution I have and its trashed. Luckily this time I decided to test it out before I put the frame back in for a second go around. Turned some small test parts some different colors and the wire yellowish green.
I'll have to start over on the bluing solution before I go any further. Going to try a different forumal this time:
5lbs Lye
2.5 to 2.7lb soduim nitrate
1 gallon water.
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I've had several Pre Bs restored including three with the deep, rich blue finish you are talking about. A couple of them came back looking almost wet they were so finely polished. Typically not my style as I am a "working mans gun" kinda guy, but certainly love the look that throws back to the pre war Colts that we all remember fondly. For my latest batch of refinished (blued) CZ75s (all dated from 86-87) I requested a medium grade blue which requires less hand polishing, and in turn, less of that wet glossy look. If the photos attach properly, you will see that they look almost chrome. I assure you they are dead, deep, rich blue (black).
~Polemos~
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5449/cz1o.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8279/cz3w.jpg
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9043/cz2kl.jpg
Whooaaahhh. That is amazing work....
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Another update.
Made another batch using my forumal above and instead of topping out at 230 it tops out at 275. So about 10 degrees less than I would like but it will have to do.
Blued some small parts today for 30 mins and they turned out but not as deep as black as the parts done with the slide.
So more time might be needed at a lower temp. They had the smallest spots of red on a couple parts but that rinsed right off.
Gotta play with it more tomorrow and hopefully get the slide done and this puppy back together.
Added: I put the parts next to the slide and I think there the same or very close I think I'll give the frame 5 mins longer and it should be good to go.
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These are just from my phone again I'll get some better ones up later in the week.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140608_103534_zps2ziaaycu.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140608_103559_zpsxhfpuyld.jpg)
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Very, very nice!
Thank you VERY much for sharing this journey with us on the forum! I've never done any hot bluing, only some touch-up cold bluing.
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Looks very nice.
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These are just from my phone again I'll get some better ones up later in the week.
Thanks a lot pal - now I am wanting one myself!! That looks wonderful :)
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Ah'man, now I REALLY want to build a Gloss Blue / Polished Stainless DuoTone 8)
THANKS A LOT GUYS ! ! ! :o
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Ah'man, now I REALLY want to build a Gloss Blue / Polished Stainless DuoTone 8)
THANKS A LOT GUYS ! ! ! :o
Ya I was thinking about what to do next after I get this one finished up and kicked down the road maybe one like this
(http://bubbleheadgunnut.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/color-case-hardened-cz75b.png)\
But then again after doing this I'm kind of sick of refinishing and might go back to a open gun building I'd really like to try my hand at a SP-01 with a milled slide for a red dot maybe some slide cuts and a comp.
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Ya I was thinking about what to do next after I get this one finished up and kicked down the road maybe one like this
(http://bubbleheadgunnut.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/color-case-hardened-cz75b.png)\
But then again after doing this I'm kind of sick of refinishing and might go back to a open gun building I'd really like to try my hand at a SP-01 with a milled slide for a red dot maybe some slide cuts and a comp.
I have always loved the Case Hardened Finish, but it seems only right for certain Gun Types
i.e. Old SA Revolvers, Lever Guns and SXS Shotguns
(IMHO) A Case Harden Finish seems as out of place on a Semi Auto Pistol as Hard Chroming a Flintlock Pistol
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Indeed. I would probably do the easier not as cool looking oil bluing you can still getting some really nice purple and gold colors and when it wears its easy to touch up. Case hardening requires 1400 degrees and I wouldn't even want to try it.
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Indeed. I would probably do the easier not as cool looking oil bluing you can still getting some really nice purple and gold colors.....
I'm guessing this finish is often mistaken / pasted off for a Case Harden Finish though
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More pics
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture001_zps0a1f7c40.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture004_zpsd2e45a65.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture008_zps6ca11bad.jpg)
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And My mess up, this spot didn't turn out prefect so I thought maybe a little cold blue would fix it....nope turned something you could barely notice much worse.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture005_zps03434548.jpg)
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(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture001_zps0a1f7c40.jpg)
Man, that is some beautiful work...
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Amazing. I can't even notice the imperfection.
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Looks purdy
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Rebluing the magazine was a nice touch. I probably wouldn't have thought of it...
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Thanks ya I think it adds something when the mag matches the gun.
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Beautiful work Thompson! That's very nice.
I picked up one of the blued 75B's that showed up this summer and I think it looks great. Not quite as nice as TC's pre-B but the finish is good.
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Just cannot appreciate enough; TC's royal blued CZ is a true head turner...a French supermodel in comparative terms.
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Man, that is really impressive looking. I applaud your attention to detail. That tedious polishing is something for which many do not have the attention span.
Nice work Man!!
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I would do as I did with mine from I----, sent it to Horace at Ford Custom Gun Refinishers and tell him to have a go at it. I have had him do numerous handguns for me and all turned out beautiful. Had him do one SW 39 with royal blue and gold appointments.
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I finally got that blued factory 75B out to try out.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-waOGvFOrTsA/VAy-gPBEsYI/AAAAAAAAGCs/MzWm6lAh2hI/w779-h518-no/DSC_0652.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NmTB3cB53SM/VAy-2w4_WMI/AAAAAAAAGGY/qf8gc9BBCqs/w779-h518-no/DSC_0682.JPG)