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Title: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on March 15, 2014, 08:41:47 PM

Moderator Note
Gentlemen, we are still seeking 9mm bullet length data to add to this listing. The very first post has been edited to contain all the contributed suggestions on the follow-up pages. Post #1 has been reformatted for easier editing. A more "printer friendly" version can be found on page 5.

To calculate the bullet seating depth of a 9x19 Luger cartridge use this formula... [Bullet Length + 0.745] - Cartridge OAL


I've found knowing various bullet lengths useful in developing new loads by type (Plated/Jacketed), weight, nose shape and a known seating depth for that weight bullet.

If other Manufacturers, weights and types of of bullet are posted,  I'll try to add to this list----or not. :D

9mm Luger BULLET LENGTHS

ACME	Length	Coated lead
124 RN	.568
147 TCFP	.649
.	.
Bayou Bullets	Length
124 RN	.572	New grooveless design
124 TCG	.558
135 RN	.633
147 FP	.675
.	.
Bear Creek	Length	Plain lead
135 RN	.628
.	.
Berry's Plated	Length	Plated
115 RN	.557
124 HBRN-TP	.619
124 HBFP-TP	.555
124 RN	.588
124 FP	.530
124 HP	.569	Target HP
124 HHP	.535	Hybrid HP
130 RN	.588	38Super
135 RN	.605	38Super
147 RN	.670
147 HP	.623
.	.
BBI	Length	Black Bullets International
125 RN	.599	Old style w/ groove
135 RN	.624
147 FP	.665	Old style w/ groove
.	.
Blue Bullets	Length
125 RN	.606
147 RN	.679
147 FP	.665
.	.
Bullet Works	Length
125 CNBB	.616
.	.
DG Bullets	Length	Coated lead
147 TC	.647	same as MBC 147
.	.
Falcon	Length
125 CN	.610
147 FP	.672
.	.
Hornady	Length
90 XTP	.449
115 HAP	.540
115 FMJ RN	.548
115 XTP	.552
124 XTP	.574
125 HAP	.572
147 XTP	.650
.	.
Missouri Bullet Co	Length	Coated & uncoated lead
124 RN	.573	Small Ball
125 FP	.623	Cone
125 SWC	.624	Actual weight 128gr
135 RN	.622	IDP#8 (.357)
147 FP	.671
.	.
Montana Gold	Length
115 JHP	.549
121 IFP	.572	concave base
124 JHP	.579
124 CMJ	.593
.	.
Nosler	Length
125 JHP	.545
.	.
Power Bond	Length
115 RN	.555
124 RN	.587
.	.
Precision Delta	Length
124 JHP	.583
124 FMJ	.595
124 FMJ (.356)	.603
147 FMJ	.683
.	.
Precision Moly	Length
125 FP	.575
147 FP	.665
.	.
Ranier	Length	Plated
115 RN	.556
115 HP	.515	Discounted for concave base
124 HP	.547	Discounted for concave base
.	.
Rocky Mntn (RMR)	Length
124 FMJ	.575	Plated
124 FP	.556	Plated
124 JHP	.560	Blunt-nose jacketed
124 Match Winner	.553	jacketed TC
147 FMJ	.667	Plated
147 Match Winner	.635	jacketed TC
.	.
Sierra	Length
95 JFN	.411
125 FMJ	.575
125 JHP	.547
.	.
SNS Coated	Length
125 FP	.556
125 RN	.583
135 RN	.626
147 FP	.651
.	.
Speer	Length
115 Gold Dot	.525
124 Gold Dot	.561
147 Gold Dot	.650
.	.
Winchester	Length
115 FMJ	.565
124 FMJ	.599
.	.
Xtreme	Length	Plated
115 HP	.506
124 HP	.536
124 RN	.583
124 FP	.525
135 RNFP	.602
135 HP	.579
147 RN	.669
147  RN-HPCB	.668
.	.
Zero	Length
124 FMJ	.590
125 JHP	.566
.	.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: oldfrank on March 16, 2014, 01:46:35 PM

Xtreme

124 HP  0.536

124 RN  0.583

147 RN  0.669

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Smitty79 on March 16, 2014, 05:55:36 PM

BBI 135 RN  .624"
SNS 125 FP  .556"
Berry's plated 147 RN  .67"

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Riptide439 on March 16, 2014, 09:17:20 PM

Berry's 124grn HP  .569

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on March 16, 2014, 09:29:52 PM

 8)

Guys,  do me a favor as formatting this is a PITA.  I'm clumsy with the computer at the best of times.
Provide your info , single spaced, "Weight"--number only (124), Nose type (RN), Length (.XXX)   
EG.:  Berry's, 
124 RN    .XXX"
130 FP     .XXX"

After I add your enties to the first post,  please double check them for accuracy.  The modify page doesn't always format the same when save is hit. ::)   

Good stuff to have available.
               

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Towns on March 17, 2014, 12:02:42 PM

Berry's Plated
124 FP .530"

Missouri Bullet Company (Lead)
147 FP .671"

The Bullet Works (Lead)
125 CN BB .615"


Note:  CN BB = Cone Nose Bevel Base
The Lead bullets from The Bullet Works varied widely from .609" to .623"

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Towns on March 17, 2014, 09:30:36 PM

Riptide,

Can you check your Berry's HP again?  I'm out of them now, but sure thought they were shorter than that.  I wonder if they were .590" instead of .690".

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on March 17, 2014, 09:42:22 PM

I'm gpoing from memory of 9 sample bullets,  and I believe you're correct.  They weren't near that long.

I just type and that doesn't leave any spare brain matter.  :-[ :D

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on March 18, 2014, 03:17:17 AM

Berry's
115 RN .557
         
Xtreme
135 RNFP .602         
147 RN-HPCB .668

BBI
125 RN .599
147 FP .669

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on March 18, 2014, 10:58:38 PM

Be careful saving too soon.  Some corrections will come.
We need confirmation on the Berry's 124JHP now.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on March 19, 2014, 03:07:39 AM

Quote from: 1SOW on March 18, 2014, 10:58:38 PM

Be careful saving too soon.  Some corrections will come.

Corrections AND more bullets.  I have 115gr HAP and Missouri Bullet 125gr SWC at home that I haven't measured yet.  ;)

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on March 19, 2014, 04:05:01 PM

I have that MBC SWC too---as yet unopened.  ;)

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Smitty79 on March 20, 2014, 12:09:28 AM

Blue Bullet Coated
125 RN    .606"
147 FP     .665"

These had more bullet to bullet variation than I've seen before.   RN were .600 to .612.   FP were .662 to .670.   Nothing else I've checked had more than a .004" ES for 10 bullets.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on March 20, 2014, 12:16:27 AM

That is a LOT of length variation.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on March 20, 2014, 02:33:49 AM

Quote from: 1SOW on March 20, 2014, 12:16:27 AM

That is a LOT of length variation.

My BBI 135 had a spread of .011.


Well, I find all this information about the blue bullets annoying, mostly because I ordered 500 each of those two Blue Bullets earlier today.    :P

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Smitty79 on March 20, 2014, 08:47:22 PM

You have this one listed already.    But I get the measurement a tad shorter.

BBI Coated
147 FP  .665   ES was .004" for 10 Bullets.    I think the mold for these is the same as the Blue Bullet 147s.    Push test in my CZ85 differed by .002"

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: jameslovesjammie on March 21, 2014, 01:56:03 AM

Quote from: Smitty79 on March 20, 2014, 12:09:28 AM

Blue Bullet Coated
125 RN    .606"
147 FP     .665"

These had more bullet to bullet variation than I've seen before.   RN were .600 to .612.   FP were .662 to .670.   Nothing else I've checked had more than a .004" ES for 10 bullets.

Most likely due to the powdercoating on the bullet.  It doesn't get applied evenly every time.  IDescribe and I discussed this issue before with other types of coated bullets.

The bullet diameter should all be consistent, since they are sized after coating.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Smitty79 on March 21, 2014, 08:26:58 PM

Precision Coated (Both with no lube groove)
147 FP  .665
125 FP  .575

Both have a slight hollow back.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Smitty79 on March 21, 2014, 09:57:14 PM

I'm buying as many different coated bullets as I can.   Here's some data I've compiled.   Push test is in my CZ85.   I won't use the Precision 147s as I have to load them too deep

(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/788x129q90/28/xwst.jpg)           

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: papaairbear on March 22, 2014, 11:39:17 AM

Power Bond Plated
9MM
115gr  RN  .555
124gr  RN  .587

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Smitty79 on March 22, 2014, 08:57:59 PM

I got my gator snot coated bullets from Donnie.   Here's the new table

(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/989x124q90/849/j5uw.jpg)

To make it easy to put in sticky part:
Bayou Coated  9MM
124gr  RN  .605
135gr  RN  .632
147gr FP  .675

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 57K on March 23, 2014, 12:00:50 AM

Quote from: Smitty79 on March 22, 2014, 08:57:59 PM

I got my gator snot coated bullets from Donnie.   Here's the new table

(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/989x124q90/849/j5uw.jpg)

To make it easy to put in sticky part:
Bayou Coated  9MM
124gr  RN  .605
135gr  RN  .632
147gr FP  .675

This is an example of what I'd consider beneficial information.  ;)

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: painter on March 23, 2014, 05:52:22 PM

Mr, 1SOW...

You interested in lead bullet data for this compilation?

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on March 23, 2014, 07:41:05 PM

Quote from: painter on March 23, 2014, 05:52:22 PM

Mr, 1SOW...

You interested in lead bullet data for this compilation?

Painter,  I'll post any bullet lengths of interest to the forum members;  but I'm not smart about loading lead.  I suspect diameters and composition play a roll in determining seating depth.  I really DON't know if comparing lengths of an assortment of various brands, weights and diameters of lead bullets benefit our lead reloaders.  If it does,  I'll post them.   All I'm going to post is bullet length info..

I personally, am unlikely to be loading anything but jacketted and plated.  You "fully leaded, high octane" guys can choose yea or nay.  ;)

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: levellinebrad on March 23, 2014, 08:03:02 PM

The same thing applies to lead as jacketed. I say post it up.

Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Smitty79 on March 24, 2014, 09:00:10 PM

Brand new bullet.   Just out from SNS.

SNS Coated
125 RN  .583

Bullets had an ES of .005".   A little better than I've been seeing.   Push test was 1.1.   Most were a little over 1.11.   But one was 1.096 so I will load these at 1.085.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on March 24, 2014, 09:13:43 PM

G.T.G.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Wobbly on March 27, 2014, 12:52:29 PM

OK, so if this Excel sheet is ready to go we should post it as a sticky. Maybe the easy way is to post it as a PDF for printing.

Comments ?  Ideas ?

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on March 27, 2014, 08:36:54 PM

LIKE.
A comment that the OALs and seating depths listed are "examples"  might be a good idea.
 

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: tdogg on March 28, 2014, 01:47:50 AM

Hornady XTP 90 grain measure: .449" (very consistent)

Speer Gold Dot 124 grain measure: ~.566" +- .003"

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on March 28, 2014, 02:08:56 AM

5 of my Speer 124 GDs averaged .561"  Didn't know they'd be that inconsistent.  I'm just using a digital caliper,  but have two different brands that agree.
Record shows:  1.140" oal,  .169"  seating depth     :-\

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Towns on August 10, 2014, 09:37:00 AM

No one has posted here for the past 4 months, so I may be the only one interested in this question but here goes................

Does anyone have any length info for Rainier bullets?  They're often listed in published load data, and I'd like to make the conversion for my Berry's or X-TREME bullets.  I'm assuming they are similar in length???

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: benq on August 14, 2014, 12:55:53 AM

X-Treme 124gr FP 0.525"

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on August 14, 2014, 11:11:09 AM

Montana Gold 115 JHP --   0.5490

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: recoilguy on August 14, 2014, 11:22:47 AM

I have on order some Falcon Bullet Company Coated that should be in soon. When they get here I will add them to the fray for you.

RCG

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Smitty79 on August 14, 2014, 09:42:40 PM

Add Bayou Bullets coated flat point with no lube groove 124's.   Lenght .558"   Push test 1.104 in my CZ85.

I couldn't get a good picture, but I like the red copper color.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: steel on August 16, 2014, 08:19:06 AM

I've used MBC/Falcon 115 RNL and Remington 115 FMJ over the past few years.  They are accurate, reliable, less costly than their heavier counterparts, and take down pepper poppers with authority.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on August 16, 2014, 09:13:56 AM

115gr Hornady HAP -- .5400

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: recoilguy on August 24, 2014, 11:27:32 PM

Falcon red coated bullets came in length on them:

125gr CN FalCoated  .610

RCG

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: benq on September 24, 2014, 08:34:16 PM

Quote from: benq on September 24, 2014, 07:14:32 PM

So I pulled some bullets from rounds I made a month ago.  They are Xtreme 124gr FP.  I measured them and they are consistently 0.002" longer than new bullets  0.525".  I wonder if anyone experienced the same and if this normal.

I probably should clarify, these are from the same lot that I originally measured and submitted for this thread.  So 0.525" appears to the average length for new bullets. I then pulled a few bullets which can from the same lot and they measure 0.527"-0.528". So the pulled bullets elongated while in the case?  I could be making a mountain out of a mole hill but thought the community may have an explanation.

Thanks,
Ben

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: painter on September 24, 2014, 08:52:14 PM

Is there also a difference in diameter between the new ones and the ones you pulled?

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on September 25, 2014, 05:52:09 PM

I've found .002"  bullet length variations with several brands of bullets,  but not due to being reloaded.

If the bullet diameters are oversized and seated in thick cases,  the LEE FCD MIGHT be tight enough to squish the bullet longer if you use the FCD.   I do use it and why I mentioned it..
Other than these possibilities,  I would suspect coincidence inyour test for bullet lengths. 

   

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: benq on November 20, 2014, 07:24:56 PM

Not sure if you want to "trust" non cz forum users, but I found more lengths in this post.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-752422.html (http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-752422.html)

Extracted:

Sierra 125gr FMJ OAL= .574-.576, bearing surface(BS)= .290-.292 (Base to ogive length)
Hornady 125gr HAP OAL= .571-.573 bearing surface= .306-.309
Nosler 125gr JHP OAL= .543-.547 bearing surface= .324-.327
Sierra 125gr JHP OAL= .545-.548 bearing surface= .339-.341


Lengths are posted 6 from the bottom by RAT807.  I'm bringing this up because my Lyman's Manual contains lots of Sierra JHP and FMJ pistol load data and has made me a bit stir crazy not knowing their lengths to use as reference points.

Thanks for maintaining this thread. It had been invaluable for me.

Ben

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on November 21, 2014, 02:25:47 AM

benq, I started,  but members maintain this thread.  It can be useful for those building new-to-them loads.

Please just list the "Bullet Maker,Plated/Jacketted/Coated, Nose Type, Weight and the length(s)"   Same format as those posted now.  I'll then move your data to the cover page 1. 
Bring forward from trusted sites those you want to see added. You do that 'leg-work'  and to simplify my entering them on the front page-.  ;)

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Noobie75b on November 22, 2014, 02:13:08 AM

Quote from: Towns on August 10, 2014, 09:37:00 AM

No one has posted here for the past 4 months, so I may be the only one interested in this question but here goes................

Does anyone have any length info for Rainier bullets?  They're often listed in published load data, and I'd like to make the conversion for my Berry's or X-TREME bullets.  I'm assuming they are similar in length???

I've got only (2) Rainer plated RN 115g left... They measure :
0.561
0.565

Of the hand full of Berry's plated RN 115g, most measured :
0.555 to 0.556
with only a few 0.557

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: tdogg on January 12, 2015, 04:23:16 PM

Black and Blue no lube groove coated 9mm sized to .357:

125gr RN .595

This was the maximum length observed out of a random sample.  The mean was ~.590.

Cheers,
Toby

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on January 13, 2015, 08:44:50 AM

Most of your variation in length comes at the nose, especially with coated bullets. 

If you are using a seating die with an anvil that seats off the ogive, that variation in bullet length isn't going to mean anything ballistically.  Your OALs won't be super consistent, but your seating depth will be, and your standard deviations in velocity should be consistent as well, all else being equal.

On the other hand, if you're using an anvil that seats off the nose/meplat, it will result in consistent OALs, but inconsistent seating depths, which is going to increase your standard deviations on muzzle velocity.  Will those differences in velocity result in significant differences in performance at the shorter ranges common to pistol shooting?  Probably not.  But if you're looking to produce the most consistent ammo possible in terms of performance, or if you're chasing the power factor floor, you'd be better off seating off the ogive with such bullets (with any bullets, really).

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on January 13, 2015, 08:53:40 AM

XTreme 115gr HP .506

XTreme 135gr HP .579

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Wobbly on January 13, 2015, 04:53:11 PM

Quote from: benq on September 24, 2014, 08:34:16 PM

I probably should clarify, these are from the same lot that I originally measured and submitted for this thread.  So 0.525" appears to the average length for new bullets. I then pulled a few bullets which can from the same lot and they measure 0.527"-0.528". So the pulled bullets elongated while in the case?

IMHO, it's the manufacturing method that delivers the wide length tolerance. These bullets are plated in an agitated plating tank. The bullets are tumbling over and around, similar to cleaning cases in a vibratory tumbler, while the copper is being deposited onto the lead. Due to the process, copper is deposited at random thicknesses over the entire bullet, but guess which dimension tells the plater his job is done? Well, it's not the length!

Length is certianly nice to know, but it's far from being the controlling dimension on the bullet. No, the plater is watching for the time when the bullets get to the correct diameter  and then he pulls the lot from the tank.

Jacketed bullets will be a lot closer, but plated are going to vary much, much more.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Smitty79 on February 01, 2015, 03:32:41 PM

Blue bullet 147's are .671" long.   They are meant for the powder shortage.   The max I can load them to, for a CZ, is 1.09.   At that OAL, I'm using 3.25 gns to make 132PF.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Riptide439 on March 01, 2015, 06:57:12 AM

Rocky Mountain Reload PLATED

124 RN .577

124FP  .556

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on April 24, 2015, 08:59:03 PM

Updated 147 RMR lengths.  Bumped

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: benq on May 14, 2015, 03:36:41 AM

SNS Casting

147gr FP NLG Coated - 0.651

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on June 11, 2015, 06:01:07 PM

		__________			__________
Berry's Plated	Length		Xtreme Plated	Length		RMR Plated	Length
115 RN	.557		115 HP	.506		124 RN	.577
124 HBRN	.619		124 HP	.536		124 FP	.556
124 HBFP	.555		124 RN	.583		147 RN	.667
124 FP	.530		124 FP	.525
124 HP	.569		135 RNFP	.602
130 RN	.588		135 HP	.579		Ranier	Length
135 RN	.605		147 RN	.669		115 RN	.556
147 RN	.670		147  RN-HPCB	.668
Hornady	Length		Montana Gold	Length		Sierra	Length
90 XTP	.449		115 JHP	.549		95 JFN	.411
115 HAP	.540		124 JHP	.579		125 FMJ	.575
124 XTP	.574		124 CMJ	.593		125 JHP	.547
125 HAP	.572
Zero	Length		Precision Delta	Length		Nosler	Length
124 FMJ	.590		124 JHP	.595		125 JHP	.545
125 JHP	.566		214 FMJ	.585
Speer	Length		Winchester	Length
124 Gold Dot	.561		124 FMJ	.599
Bayou Bullets	Length		Missouri Bullet Co	Length		Blue Bullets	Length
124 RN	.607		124 RN	.573		125 RN	.606
124 FP (no groove)	.558		125 FP	.623		147 RN	.679
135 RN	.633		125 SWC	.624		147 FP	.665
147 FP	.675		147 FP	.671
BBI	Length		SNS Coated	Length		Precision Moly	Length
125 RN	.599		125 FP	.556		125 FP	.575
135 RN	.624		125 RN	.583		147 FP	.665
147 FP	.665		147 FP	.651
Power Bond	Length		Falcon	Length		The Bullet Works	Length
115 RN	.555		125 CN	.610		125 CNBB	.616
124 RN .587

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on June 11, 2015, 06:03:18 PM

1SOW, I had a couple of MBC bullets to add, and I wanted to see if I could get the data into more of table format.  The above post is what I came to.  If you're interested, and if you have both Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word, I can tell you how to do it.  It's super simple.  ;)

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: benq on July 21, 2015, 08:09:44 PM

Falcon Bullet (red coated) - 147 FP .672

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: moonman16 on July 29, 2015, 06:55:19 PM

ACME BULLETS
HI-TEK COATED (Lipstick Red)
147 RNFP No Lube Groove .641 (will be deeper in case)
Push test says to load at 1.075 C.O.L. (this is after SUBTRACTING a .015 SAFETY FACTOR)
on my CZ P-01.

I have to push test my CZ SP-01 now.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: moonman16 on July 29, 2015, 07:02:46 PM

ACME BULLETS 9 MM
HI-TEK Coated (Lipstick Red)
124 RN No Lube Groove .592

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: biglou13 on July 29, 2015, 09:17:42 PM

ID.... 
Great work here..... big thanks!!!!!

I know its a  stretch but...  i'd also like to know avg push test results for bullet and what gun

for example blue bullets  .147 .358 dia     push tests @  1.10     new spo1 tactical

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: moonman16 on July 30, 2015, 08:56:50 AM

1SOW,

I edited the info above in my post about ACME 147 RNFP.
I had my CZ P-01 C.O.L. listed as possibly 1.100 to 1.090.
Just finished THE PUSH TEST with 8 different cartridges multiple times.
The C.O.L. for MY CZ P-01 will be 1.075 (with .015 SAFETY FACTOR) with the
ACME 147 RNFP (No Lube Groove).
HI-TEK Coated projectile.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on July 30, 2015, 10:30:21 PM

Moonman,  I really appreciate the offer for bullet length compilation,  but I personally believe the reloaders should find their own Max OALs. 
Some in a hurry might just use what's posted without testing their chamber.  Just my typing errors could cause serious problems.  ::)
The bullet lengths, types and nose shapes provide a "leg up" for those interested. 

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Boris_LA on April 12, 2016, 01:50:08 AM

I have received a shipment of Precision Delta JHP 124gr today. Measured  about a 10-15. Most are 0.580-0.581, one or two 0.582-0.583.

Diameter is very consistent .355
Bearing/Cylindrical part is 0.310


 

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Towns on May 22, 2016, 12:01:08 AM

Loaded some Xtreme 147 gr Plated Hollow Points today
http://www.xtremebullets.com/9mm-147-HP-p/xc9mm-147hp-b0500.htm (http://www.xtremebullets.com/9mm-147-HP-p/xc9mm-147hp-b0500.htm)

Length of bullet:  .623"

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Towns on May 22, 2016, 10:20:31 AM

1SOW,  I don't see the  Xtreme Hollow Points on the update.  Are you still adding them to the 1st post? 

The Xtreme 147 HP (hollow point) is .623, while the Xtreme HPCB (heavy plate concave base) is .668".

EDIT:  nevermind, I missed it

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on May 22, 2016, 01:10:39 PM

-	-	________	-	-	________	-	-
Berry's Plated	Length		Xtreme Plated	Length		RMR Plated	Length
115 RN	.557		115 HP	.506		124 RN	.577
124 HBRN	.619		124 HP	.536		124 FP	.556
124 HBFP	.555		124 RN	.583		147 RN	.667
124 FP	.530		124 FP	.525
124 HP	.569		135 RNFP	.602
130 RN	.588		135 HP	.579		Ranier	Length
135 RN	.605		147 RN	.669		115 RN	.556
147 RN	.670		147  RN-HPCB	.668
			147 HP	.623
		-			-
		.			.
Hornady	Length		Montana Gold	Length		Sierra	Length
90 XTP	.449		115 JHP	.549		95 JFN	.411
115 HAP	.540		124 JHP	.579		125 FMJ	.575
124 XTP	.574		124 CMJ	.593		125 JHP	.547
125 HAP	.572
		.			.
		.			.
Zero	Length		Precision Delta	Length		Nosler	Length
124 FMJ	.590		124 JHP	.583		125 JHP	.545
125 JHP	.566		124 FMJ	.595
		.	124 FMJ (.356)	.603	.	ACME
		.			.	124 RN	.568
Speer	Length		Winchester	Length		147 TCFP	.649
124 Gold Dot	.561		124 FMJ	.599
		.			.
		.			.
Bayou Bullets	Length		Missouri Bullet Co	Length		Blue Bullets	Length
124 RN	.607		124 RN	.573		125 RN	.606
124 TCG	.558		125 FP	.623		147 RN	.679
135 RN	.633		125 SWC	.624		147 FP	.665
147 FP	.675		147 FP	.671
		.			.
		.			.
BBI	Length		SNS Coated	Length		Precision Moly	Length
125 (old) RN w/groove	.599		125 FP	.556		125 FP	.575
135 RN	.624		125 RN	.583		147 FP	.665
147 (old) FP w/groove	.665		135 RN	.626
		.	147 FP	.651	.
		.			.
Power Bond	Length		Falcon	Length		The Bullet Works	Length
115 RN	.555		125 CN	.610		125 CNBB	.616
124 RN	.587		147 FP	.672			.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on May 22, 2016, 03:04:15 PM

Thanks ID,  Maybe it's my shortened "trigger finger" but my computer skills are definitely at a ""D rating or worse.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: painter on May 23, 2016, 07:06:45 PM

Quote from: 1SOW on May 23, 2016, 03:39:35 PM

ID,  I tried to save your neat data columns and paste it in the the FIRST post---didn't work.  Format was hosed.

If you quote his post and then copy it it'll look like...

Quote from: IDescribe on May 22, 2016, 01:10:39 PM

-	-	________	-	-	________	-	-
Berry's Plated	Length		Xtreme Plated	Length		RMR Plated	Length
115 RN	.557		115 HP	.506		124 RN	.577
124 HBRN	.619		124 HP	.536		124 FP	.556
124 HBFP	.555		124 RN	.583		147 RN	.667
124 FP	.530		124 FP	.525
124 HP	.569		135 RNFP	.602
130 RN	.588		135 HP	.579		Ranier	Length
135 RN	.605		147 RN	.669		115 RN	.556
147 RN	.670		147  RN-HPCB	.668
			147 HP	.623
		-			-
		.			.
Hornady	Length		Montana Gold	Length		Sierra	Length
90 XTP	.449		115 JHP	.549		95 JFN	.411
115 HAP	.540		124 JHP	.579		125 FMJ	.575
124 XTP	.574		124 CMJ	.593		125 JHP	.547
125 HAP	.572
		.			.
		.			.
Zero	Length		Precision Delta	Length		Nosler	Length
124 FMJ	.590		124 JHP	.583		125 JHP	.545
125 JHP	.566		124 FMJ	.595
		.	124 FMJ (.356)	.603	.	ACME
		.			.	124 RN	.568
Speer	Length		Winchester	Length		147 TCFP	.649
124 Gold Dot	.561		124 FMJ	.599
		.			.
		.			.
Bayou Bullets	Length		Missouri Bullet Co	Length		Blue Bullets	Length
124 RN	.607		124 RN	.573		125 RN	.606
124 TCG	.558		125 FP	.623		147 RN	.679
135 RN	.633		125 SWC	.624		147 FP	.665
147 FP	.675		147 FP	.671
		.			.
		.			.
BBI	Length		SNS Coated	Length		Precision Moly	Length
125 (old) RN w/groove	.599		125 FP	.556		125 FP	.575
135 RN	.624		125 RN	.583		147 FP	.665
147 (old) FP w/groove	.665		135 RN	.626
		.	147 FP	.651	.
		.			.
Power Bond	Length		Falcon	Length		The Bullet Works	Length
115 RN	.555		125 CN	.610		125 CNBB	.616
124 RN	.587		147 FP	.672			.

Just isn't editable.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on May 23, 2016, 10:41:53 PM

OR if you quote the post, then delete everything before [table ]at the top and after [/table ] at the bottom, then copy and paste what is left over, it will look like this:

-	-	________	-	-	________	-	-
Berry's Plated	Length		Xtreme Plated	Length		RMR Plated	Length
115 RN	.557		115 HP	.506		124 RN	.577
124 HBRN	.619		124 HP	.536		124 FP	.556
124 HBFP	.555		124 RN	.583		147 RN	.667
124 FP	.530		124 FP	.525
124 HP	.569		135 RNFP	.602
130 RN	.588		135 HP	.579		Ranier	Length
135 RN	.605		147 RN	.669		115 RN	.556
147 RN	.670		147  RN-HPCB	.668
			147 HP	.623
		-			-
		.			.
Hornady	Length		Montana Gold	Length		Sierra	Length
90 XTP	.449		115 JHP	.549		95 JFN	.411
115 HAP	.540		124 JHP	.579		125 FMJ	.575
124 XTP	.574		124 CMJ	.593		125 JHP	.547
125 HAP	.572
		.			.
		.			.
Zero	Length		Precision Delta	Length		Nosler	Length
124 FMJ	.590		124 JHP	.583		125 JHP	.545
125 JHP	.566		124 FMJ	.595
		.	124 FMJ (.356)	.603	.	ACME
		.			.	124 RN	.568
Speer	Length		Winchester	Length		147 TCFP	.649
124 Gold Dot	.561		124 FMJ	.599
		.			.
		.			.
Bayou Bullets	Length		Missouri Bullet Co	Length		Blue Bullets	Length
124 RN	.607		124 RN	.573		125 RN	.606
124 TCG	.558		125 FP	.623		147 RN	.679
135 RN	.633		125 SWC	.624		147 FP	.665
147 FP	.675		147 FP	.671
		.			.
		.			.
BBI	Length		SNS Coated	Length		Precision Moly	Length
125 (old) RN w/groove	.599		125 FP	.556		125 FP	.575
135 RN	.624		125 RN	.583		147 FP	.665
147 (old) FP w/groove	.665		135 RN	.626
		.	147 FP	.651	.
		.			.
Power Bond	Length		Falcon	Length		The Bullet Works	Length
115 RN	.555		125 CN	.610		125 CNBB	.616
124 RN	.587		147 FP	.672			.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: 1SOW on May 23, 2016, 10:53:08 PM

Got it pasted into post #1.

Thanks guys

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: lala land on May 24, 2016, 12:16:33 AM

If you want to add Blue Bullets 115gr RN, they average about .562 for me.

Also Xtreme 115 RN are .553

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Boris_LA on May 24, 2016, 03:08:01 AM

Quote from: 1SOW on May 23, 2016, 10:53:08 PM

Got it pasted into post #1.

And lost the latest change on PD JHP on the way.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: IDescribe on May 24, 2016, 03:24:23 PM

Quote from: Boris_LA on May 24, 2016, 02:11:32 PM

Its fine. It close enough for practical purpose.

Exactly.  I figured that if I went in between us, the number wouldn't be far enough off from any to matter.

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: tdogg on December 24, 2016, 12:07:34 PM

So in my search for a bullet length I came across this forum that had this factory pull down thread with a ton of good info in it.  I thought it might be useful for this thread.

http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-ammo-pull-downs/underwood-9mm-115gr-speer-gold-dot-jhp/

Lot's of different bullet length's and weights listed there.  Along with OAL's and velocities!

Cheers,
Toby

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: baldrage on March 17, 2017, 08:21:34 AM

Have some updates for 1SOW?s list.  I pulled 10 random bullets from a recent order and measured them.  Results as follows:

RMR 115 FMJ .570

RMR 124 HCHP .555

RMR 124 HCFN .521

Above figures are averages, rounded to nearest thousandth.  Supporting data for those interested in how much variation there was:

Rocky Mountain Reloading (RMR) 115 gr FMJ
0.565
0.5675
0.568
0.5685
0.569
0.57
0.5705
0.5715
0.573
0.574
Average:  .5697
Std. Dev: 0.002551

RMR 124 gr Hardcore Match Hollow Point (HCHP)
   0.5535
   0.554
   0.554
   0.554
   0.5545
   0.5545
   0.5545
   0.5555
   0.5555
   0.5555
Average:   0.55455
Std Dev:   0.000687386

RMR 124 gr Hardcore Flat-Nose (HCFN)
   0.5195
   0.521
   0.521
   0.521
   0.521
   0.521
   0.5215
   0.5215
   0.522
   0.5225
Average:   0.5212
Std Dev:   0.000748331

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Sunkist on March 23, 2017, 10:51:09 PM

SNS 9mm Coated 125RN .598?/New 125 Conical Nose .602?

Title: Re: 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: romukom on July 14, 2017, 06:58:35 PM

Adding into the list:
RMR 124 gn Plated Round Nose Flat Point (RNFP) : 0.527"

RMR 124 gn New-in-house FMJ Flat Nose (FMJ-FN): 0.552"

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: RSNO on February 07, 2019, 02:18:09 AM

Gentlemen, here?s a set of ?equivalent? lengths for Rainier Plated HP.

115 gr HP, 0.515
124 gr HP, 0.547

Rationale and methodology: The Rainier HP bullets have concave bottoms. Physical length isn?t meaningful because there is a concave volume down there. For the purpose of figuring out bullet seating depth, the length of an equivalent flat bottom bullet is good enough to calculate the remaining case volume.

You can check my math.

1.   Average of 5 bullets is 115.0 gr. The length is 0.525, BUT the bottom is concave.
2.   I sanded off the concave bottom of a 115 gr Rainier HP. The bottom is now flat. The bullet weigh in at 111.7 gr and 0.503 long.
3.   That means the removed lead from the concave bottom is 3.3 gr.
4.   Question: We want to add that same volume of lead back to the bottom of the bullet in the form of a 0.355 diameter disk. What would that length be?
5.   1 gm = 15.4 gr.              So 3.3 grain = 0.214 gm
6.   Lead has a density of 11.34 gm/cm3.   So  0.214 gm =>0.0189 cm3.     
7.   1 in3 =16.39 cm3.          So 0.0189 cm3 => 0.001153 in3
8.   The area of a 0.355 disk (added to the bottom of the bullet) is 0.0989 in2. 0.001153 in3 would fit in 0.0117 in length.
9.   Add that 0.0117 to the 0.503 from the shortened 111.7 gr gives 0.5147. round off to 0.515.


Do the same thing for the 124 gr bullet. You need to shave off 12.3 grain. That extra length comes out to 0.0436. Add that to 0.503, we get 0.547.

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Wobbly on April 16, 2020, 10:03:01 AM

Missouri Bullet Co  (MBC)
135gr  "IDP#8"  0.622"  Coated lead RN


Post #1 was re-formatted as a "list" for easier editing and searching on 4/17/2020

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: recoilguy on April 16, 2020, 10:55:14 AM

forgot about this thread.
I like this one....great info

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: recoilguy on May 08, 2020, 08:23:06 PM

I just bought some 124g round nose projectiles from Bayou Bullets. They have change the profile of their bullet considerably, their new bullet is much shorter and has no grease ring in it and I measured it today at .572. I don’t know if anybody looks at this thread anymore but I thought I’d put it in there

RCG

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Wobbly on May 09, 2020, 10:15:36 AM

List edited today. Thanks !

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Duke Nukem on May 19, 2020, 01:39:38 PM

Armscor 124 grain round nose fmj measures an average of .594

I got an order of Missouri Bullet Co. 124 grain "small ball" round nose coated bullets yesterday, a sample of 25 ranged from .590 to .601, for an average length of .595 (this one is already listed, but my sample does not agree with what is on list). 

These also varied in weight from 122.5 up to 126.6, fwiw.

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: recoilguy on July 10, 2020, 10:22:52 AM

Quote from: recoilguy on May 08, 2020, 08:23:06 PM

I just bought some 124g round nose projectiles from Bayou Bullets. They have change the profile of their bullet considerably, their new bullet is much shorter and has no grease ring in it and I measured it today at .572. I don’t know if anybody looks at this thread anymore but I thought I’d put it in there

RCG

I shoot a Tanfoglio Limited Custom in Competition.
I loaded the old Bayou 124's (.605 long)to 1.109 OAL and they plunked and shot very accurately and cycled 100%
The new projectiles (.572 long) I have to load to 1.081 ( .028 shorter ) for my gun to cycle the newer projectiles.
I have had to do some adjusting on the bell and powder for these as well.

It has taken me a while to get this right. I really liked the old ones and had the recipe dialed in perfect.
The new ones have been hit and miss until now and I think I have finally developed the new ticket for my gun.
I will need to shoot 500 or so to know they are reliable.
I will keep you posted. Wish me luck.

RCG

The attached quote refers to Bayou 124g RN as the projectile I was referring to. So in case anyone may not have realized I was still talking about the same items
I apologize. The new profile of the projectile that caused me some difficulty was the 124g RN Bayou. Sorry I may have inadvertently caused some confusion.

RCG

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Gnnut2 on July 22, 2020, 11:19:23 AM

Good luck, RCG, I'm betting that your test will be successful. Please keep us posted.

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: skin on July 22, 2020, 07:17:06 PM

Sierra 115 gr JHP   0.511

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Docy55 on August 05, 2020, 12:01:03 PM

Quote from: Duke Nukem on May 19, 2020, 01:39:38 PM

Armscor 124 grain round nose fmj measures an average of .594

I got an order of Missouri Bullet Co. 124 grain "small ball" round nose coated bullets yesterday, a sample of 25 ranged from .590 to .601, for an average length of .595 (this one is already listed, but my sample does not agree with what is on list). 

These also varied in weight from 122.5 up to 126.6, fwiw.

Good to know

They are in my back yard , often drive over to pickup bullets.

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: Pistolet on August 07, 2020, 07:03:45 PM

I have a new bullet. Bear creek supply, coated 125gr truncated cone. 0.604 average.

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: slim chickens on October 11, 2020, 05:23:38 AM

RMR FMJ RN 147gn: .670
RMR FMJ RN 124gn: .590

Title: Re: Popular 9mm Bullet Lengths
Post by: slim chickens on October 17, 2020, 01:09:04 AM

Precision Delta 147gn RN FMJ: .683