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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: Cyanide on August 03, 2014, 11:40:27 AM
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Please feel free to post any relevant information and pictures if possible in your answers gang.
As of right now the only true CZ I currently have is the P-07 Duty, with a new '14 model on the way, in addition to a couple of clones (Witness PS, Sar K2P), and a wanna-be clone (Grand Power).
I shoot my P-07 Duty and Grand Power best, and like the story goes, the CZ bug has bitten me! I'm very happy with my 07, as it is the best overall feeling/handling/shooting pistol I have, but am seriously considering the P-01.
Key word there is P-01. I'm not interested in the PCR (no rail...better to have and not need it than need it and not have) nor the other smaller, steel frame variants or clones (weight...carried a heavy-azz M9 on a fully supported duty belt for a couple of years, don't wanna try that weight IWB).
Anyway, my question is, other than the perfect ergos I'm used to (only my Steyr points better than my 07), what kind of difference would I notice with the P-01 concerning it's trigger (both DA & SA), and is it's decocker as smooth as the one on my P-07?
The only stock trigger better than my Duty's Omega is the Grand Power (have side by side review elsewhere on here), so I am kind of spoiled in that regard. However, it does look like the P-01 decocker is located better for operation to someone like me with short thumbs, as I must ever so slightly shift my hand forward to pop it on my 07.
Have to add also that it looks like the 07 sights are bigger and easier to pick up just from pictures I am looking at online of the 01.
Love my CZ family (and it's quarter-cousin from next door lol)! Swore I'd never carry a hammer-fired pistol ever again; CZ changed all that!
[emoji106] Thanks!
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In my opinion, the two biggest downsides to the P01 are the physical trigger (not trigger pull), and the sights. Luckily you can change both. I'm not a fan of the recurve trigger, but it may suit you. If you want to upgrade the sights to night sights or fiber optic CGW, CZC, or AA can do that, and in most cases you can send the slide vs the whole pistol saving on shipping.
I love my P-01, it's a good sized pistol. It's very accurate, it fits your natural points of aim. I like the weight of a metal framed pistol. Like you said ergonomics are great. The trigger pull will be a little heavier than your P-07, but it will smooth out after shooting. I haven't had a problem with the decocker.
There are lots of people that are happy with the P-01 right out of the case.
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I haven't shot a P-07, so can't directly compare. I just googled photos of side-by-side photos and it does appear that the P-01's decocker rides a little further to the rear than the P-07's.
I loved my P-01 right out of the box, but did change the main spring, sights etc.
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I'm not a CZ guy, the CZ bug hasn't bitten me, in fact, I only own one CZ, and that's my P-01.
When I decided to switch to appendix carry, I wanted a hammer fired pistol to replace my Glock 19. I researched all of the available options that met my criteria (rock solid reliability, similar in size to the 19, good ergonomics). After looking at/handling/shooting the offerings from FN, Sig, HK, CZ, etc., the P-01 was the clear winner. It's reliable, the same size as a G19, doesn't weigh a ton, and had the rail (I'm in the same boat as you.. don't use it now, but don't want to want it later). Out of the box, the trigger was "meh" at best.. For $50ish, CGWs UltraLight S/D kit (extended firing pin, reduced power firing pin, firing pin block, and hammer springs) made it an excellent trigger for a carry gun.. A bunch more CGW parts just made it incredible.
So with all of the being said, if you want a compact hammer fired carry gun, I don't think there's a better choice than the P-01.
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I haven't shot a P-07, so can't directly compare. I just googled photos of side-by-side photos and it does appear that the P-01's decocker rides a little further to the rear than the P-07's.
I loved my P-01 right out of the box, but did change the main spring, sights etc.
I think his concern was placement and motion.
The P-07/P-09 the decocker is a reverse motion of the P-01. The P-01 decocker is closer to your body (helping shorter thumbs) and the majority of the motion is closer to your body, where as the P-07 is further away.
Simply put the P-01 starts at the 3 o'clock position and decocks around 5 o'clock. The P-07 starts at the 9 o'clock position and decocks around the 8 o'clock position.
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I'm shooting my P-01 factory standard with no changes so far for just over a year. I've got well over 1500 rounds of a variety of ammo through it with no malfunctions, ever. While I don't have a P-07 I can compare it with, I do have a P-09.
As Towns points out, the natural POA is one of the most impressive features of the P-01. It's literally an extension of my hand. As mentioned, the trigger pull is still factory standard, and I have no complaints shooting in SA and DA. I most often shoot targets at 25 yards, and I'm equally proficient shooting tight groups in SA or DA. In comparison with the P-09, I like the decocker on the P-01 better, as it's easier access moving my thumb to the rear of the left side of the frame to push down to decock on the rear of the lever rather than reaching slightly more forward to the front of the decocking lever on the P-09. Both the P-01 and the P-09 are smooth when decocking, just a slight difference in reach and manipulation.
If I compare triggers on the P-01 and P-09, I don't notice a difference. The trigger on the P-01 has smoothed out nicely. I've had the P-09 since February of this year, and it's still factory issue. I prefer the DA on the P-01 slightly more. I'm assuming the P-09's trigger is similar to the 2014 version of the P-07 in this case. As for SA, I like the triggers on both models.
It's likely that I'll install the upgraded springs from CGW on my P-01 eventually, but really, it's such a nice shooter, I don't feel compelled to move on this quickly. I have been shooting well with the factory sights, but I will upgrade the P-01 and the P-09 to the CZC tactical rear and FO front sights at some point in the next few months. I have them on my CZ 75B and they make a big difference.
The only other observation I'd mention to you is that the form factors of the P-01 and the P-07 in terms of size and being compact pistols are similar. For a long time, I thought I was fine with the P-01 to satisfy my CZ compact needs, but after shooting the P-09 for a few months and reading the reviews of the upgraded P-07 for 2014 along with the incredibly reasonable pricing, it's likely I'll pick up a P-07 at some point in the future.
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Yay.....
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Thanks to everyone who has responded so far! Very good points on all accounts. Like I said, I absolutely love my P-07, but something draws me to the P-01 lol.
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Anyway, my question is, other than the perfect ergos I'm used to (only my Steyr points better than my 07), what kind of difference would I notice with the P-01 concerning it's trigger (both DA & SA), and is it's decocker as smooth as the one on my P-07?
The only stock trigger better than my Duty's Omega is the Grand Power (have side by side review elsewhere on here), so I am kind of spoiled in that regard. However, it does look like the P-01 decocker is located better for operation to someone like me with short thumbs, as I must ever so slightly shift my hand forward to pop it on my 07.
P-01 decocker in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vqkYlKZaL4&feature=youtu.be
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Please feel free to post any relevant information and pictures if possible in your answers.
Have to add also that it looks like the 07 sights are bigger and easier to pick up just from pictures I am looking at online of the 01.
Love my CZ family (and it's quarter-cousin from next door lol)! Swore I'd never carry a hammer-fired pistol ever again; CZ changed all that!
[emoji106] Thanks!
Yay
That is all I have, hammer-fired pistols. The p-07 sights are better but I like the position of the decocker on the P-01 better.
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I have owned the P07 and carried it. I like it. It is functional and practical for the price. Shoots and carries very well. I was used to the SP-01 style decocker, so there was that, but its a training issue. I would carry one. I wish there were heavy duty night sights available for it.
That said, I just picked up a P01. The ergonomics and aesthetics put it into a whole other class for me. I have owned a PCR and a compact L, and sold them, each for different reasons. The P01 is my new favorite pistol. I understand that I will probably throw a bunch of money at it to upgrade the trigger, but I'm ok with that. I don't know what it is about this pistol. Out of all my carry guns I've ever had, the P07, the Glock 36/19, the CZ 82, P83, 1911, etc. This one just fits.
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I do not own a polymer CZ but I do own the P-01. It fits in my hand nicely and the controls are all in very convenient places and very easy to operate. It is a hard gun to find fault with..
RCG
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Thanks for the video TX!
Awesome pic Firemanjones! Is there any way possible that you could please do several comparison shots for me with the P-01 and P-07 like how I did with my Grand Power and CZ; views of them back to back, nose to nose, top to top, side by side from the rear and the front? Figure that would be a good set of comparison pics not only for me, but for anybody else who might also have similar questions.
Have pretty much already decided that I will get one, just a matter of whether I want to put it on layaway now since I have the money available to do it or, hope for the best and save over the next month or two to buy one outright (pricing would all be about the same when all is said and done with transfer fee and whatnot). May just have to get rid of the Sar K2P and/or Tanfoglio Witness PS so that I can get my P-01 faster!
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Have pretty much already decided that I will get one, just a matter of whether I want to put it on layaway now since I have the money available to do it or, hope for the best and save over the next month or two to buy one outright (pricing would all be about the same when all is said and done with transfer fee and whatnot).
If you know you want one, you probably want to go ahead and put it on layaway.. If you've read up on the availability of some of the CZ pistols, you know that they come and go. You'll see them on every site on the internet for like 3 or 4 months well below MSRP, then they'll dry up and used P-01s will go for more than new ones for 2 or 3 months. Right now, we're in the "available everywhere" phase. Not sure how long it'll last.
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If you can put it on lay away go hold it you don't need a bunch of pictured to decide what you can see for yourself.
If you want it and can't afford it now put it on lay away.
Over thinking these things is a real problem sometime. The internet is
good for some thing but also it cause you to over think what you actually know.
Your opinion is all that matters and what the gun does in your hand is what should be the trigger for you to buy not what it looks like it might do.
Go get it you want it and you will be happy! Then think about which bullets to buy.
RCG
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RCG, already put on layaway earlier. Have LOTS of bullets waiting for all my babies ha!
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Yay! Stock triggers suck, need CGW treatment for match grade. All depends what you want really?
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Hey now Copemech, the G.P.'s trigger is awesome for stock, just that trigger comparison aside, my CZ currently edges it out for EDC.
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Awesome pic Firemanjones! Is there any way possible that you could please do several comparison shots for me with the P-01 and P-07 like how I did with my Grand Power and CZ; views of them back to back, nose to nose, top to top, side by side from the rear and the front? Figure that would be a good set of comparison pics not only for me, but for anybody else who might also have similar questions.
OK Cyanide, these are for you.
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Outstanding, and thank you very much Firemanjones! It's nice to be able to see them side by side just to see the small differences here and there. Definitely narrower from the front and top views, but thicker/wider in the grip, unless that is strictly your wooden grip panels.
Thinking I will probably invest in replacement night sights down the road for it (and my P-07). As for what you guys have told me about the trigger, I'm sure that I can get it smoothed out fairly quickly, as my daily ritual consists of dry firing a lot while out here on the road since I cannot actively get to the range as much as I would like.
Yeah, work needs to keep me hustling so I can get this thing out of layaway and fast. Just a matter of seeing if it dethrones the P-07 for EDC once I get it and put it through its paces at the range!
Keep the comments/suggestions/input coming please. Y'all be safe and have a great day!
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Good pics Fireman.
Wow, the decocker on the P-01 is much further back. I love the placement and action of the CZ 75 decockers.
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Glad I could be of assistance.
Cyanide, the thickness is the grips. I have read here that the alum. grips are much thinner. I like my grips with some girth and the palm swells.
Towns, the decocker on the P-01 was at the half cocked position while the P-07 was all the way down.
Mind you, both were UNLOADED.
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Thanks again FJ! The stock rear sights look almost identical to my Grand Power, which is one of my only gripes on that. But no biggie, I like shooting my stuff extensively in a stock condition before I ever decide to change anything.
I know it has nothing to do with performance but, the more I look at it I find the P-01 an extremely beautiful, aesthetically pleasing pistol begging to be shot, and shot A LOT. Y'all are going to you think I am crazy, but I look at my P-07 and Steyrs the same way!
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I think the P-01 is one of the most beautiful handguns made!!!!!
It just looks like it wants to be taken to the range!
It shots holes right where you aim as well. Hard to do much better then the P-01 In My Humble Opinion
RCG
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Of the CZ compacts I own, the PCR is my favorite. It has the best looks and in now fully Cajunized like my 75BD & P09.
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I like my PCR as well and it is a great shooter. I carry it almost exclusively in the winter.
I just like how that P-01 looks no offense to my other CZ's or other hand guns it is just the one that wins the beauty crown in my safe.
RCG
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Firemanjones, hope ya don't mind my mods to your pics... [emoji6](http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/enarana8.jpg)
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Recoil guy, That is why there is horse racing, different cars and guns. There is something different for someone's preferences.
Cyanide...no, I like it. How did you do it?
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Just used the basic photo editing program on my, followed by an image combiner app. The same thing I use for all of my other pistol comparisons you see either here or the Walther forum.
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I have seen your pictures on both sites. I have an iPad so will these apps work for me? And what app if it does.
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My phone is a Droid but I am sure Apple has an identical app, if not the exact same one.(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/ysa8egud.jpg)
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Thanks, I will check it out tomorrow. I always liked you pictures in your posts.
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Thank you! I figure it will possibly help people when they are trying to compare pistols, give them a very quick visual reference.
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For short trigger fingers, the P07 feels more comfortable to me. I think I will have to put some money into my P01 trigger to make it more comfortable. Oh the curse of stubby fingers.
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One week to go!
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For short trigger fingers, the P07 feels more comfortable to me. I think I will have to put some money into my P01 trigger to make it more comfortable. Oh the curse of stubby fingers.
I have the same fingers. The ERRK from CGW will solve the P-01 trigger reach issue. And it's worth every penny.
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I'm thinking I may have to go the P01 route myself. I think it would fit in well with the family.
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Just messed with a Canik 55 Stingray at a Gander Mountain. If that's how the P-01 will feel, minus the weight lol, I'll be in love. Dang thing empty was heavier than my full P-07 Duty!
Now to find a 9mm RAMI BD. If I could just find someone willing to trade one of those for a 9mm P99C AS... lol
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I think I'm in love!
I cannot wait to get home and get my P-01! Just stopped in at the Cabelas north of Columbus, OH to kill some time before finishing my trip to make delivery in Pennsylvania tomorrow morning. Low and behold, look at what was in the used pistol cabinet (and ouch @ $600, got mine through Bud's NIB and with my transfer fee for $590)...
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And since they had a P-07 in there beside it, I figured I would do a quick comparison shot. I will do a better set of images on a light colored background after I get home and get mine [emoji6]
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Just an initial observation, but to me it feels w/o a doubt the stock Omega DA trigger pull is better on the P-07, but in SA the P-01 actually feels crisper with less take up and a shorter reset. Anyone else have input on that or am I crazy?
C'mon Friday!!!
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I just picked up my new to me P01. It fits in nicely with the gang. I need to save some nickels so I can send her down to see her Uncle Dave in Louisiana.
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Now to find a 9mm RAMI BD. If I could just find someone willing to trade one of those for a 9mm P99C AS... lol
Don't even think about it! I sold off my PPS so I could get my RAMI. :)
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Having owned both a P-07 and a P-01, I agree that the P-07 has the better trigger. I think the P-07's trigger is about the best out of the box trigger I've ever felt. The P-01 does have a pretty sweet SA pull though. Reset is better on the P-01 IMO.
I am just waiting on a few parts and I'll have my P-01 back together. I'm hoping the action polishing, 15 mainspring, floating trigger pin w/ reduced power trigger return spring will improve my DA pull while keeping my gun 100% reliable. I'll let you know how it feels after I get it back together.
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Try an extended firing pin and a 13# spring. I think you'll like it.
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Two new kids!
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I think I kinda need a P07 now!
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I think I kinda need a P07 now!
Birds Away, why's that? [emoji48]
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I think I kinda need a P07 now!
Birds Away, why's that? [emoji48]
Because I am gun poor. I only have two compacts, a P01 and a RAMI for carry. Barely able to defend myself. ;)
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Yeah, can't very well do a "Friends & Family" share plan if ya only have two for yourself!
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I think I kinda need a P07 now!
I keep telling myself I don't need one but I know it is a matter of time... especially once suppressor-ready models become available and the great minds get the details worked out regarding cowitnessing with an RMR.
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I have a lot of CZs and P-01 is one of my favorites
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First 35 rounds through the new kids?
Well, I didn't get much time to put many rounds through them yesterday and not great shooting, but had fun nonetheless.
Did five shots @ 3 yards to check initial grouping, then two sets of fifteen shots each at 7 yards. Ammo was Freedom Munitions 124gr FMJ. Point of aim was the center of the black squares.
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Time to go shoot some more! [emoji16]
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Cyanide,
I'd say you shot him dead, pretty darn well! I hate those green zombies too. Congrats on getting the P-01 out on the range and stretching its legs.
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Thanks Genin! Have more pics coming from son & I's range trip yesterday, just have to post them up in a few. He did pretty well with both of them also!
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Here ya go Omil. P-01 (Top), P-07 (Bottom)....
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Yay for certain. I've had my P-01 for 2 years now and I love it. Ergonomics and reliability are what sold me and it hasn't let me down. I've added some CGW parts (13# hammer spring, firing pin and spring, trigger, trigger spring etc) and fiber optic sights, smoothed out the trigger bar, and after 2000 rounds it's just right. Didn't have to do any of that, but it was fun and the trigger pull is lighter and smoother now.
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Definitely in love with this pistol, and it is slowly working its way ahead of the P-07 as my #1, even though the 07 shoots a tighter group, for now! More on that later in a new post....
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Cyanide, thanks so much. I'll pick-up my 07' in few days...it's Ca. 10 days waiting!