Post by: Stuart on June 01, 2007, 07:15:31 AM
talk of a SP01 in .40 really happening on CZshooters..designated the SP06.
also mention of a P06.
Post by: SDDLUP on June 01, 2007, 07:24:37 AM
Post by: angus hobdell on June 01, 2007, 07:44:13 AM
3 new guns, 2 I assume were prototype for right now so don't ask WHEN.
P06 40 caliber (p01 basically) 40 S&W
CZ97 B Decoker 45 ACP
CZ Sp01 Decoker 40 S&W.
I shot all of them and had no problems.
Post by: William Chase on June 01, 2007, 11:38:13 AM
Bill
Post by: Garson on June 01, 2007, 10:20:24 PM
Garson
Post by: tekarra on June 02, 2007, 05:13:27 PM
You are tantalizing us!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: twoguns on June 02, 2007, 08:05:24 PM
I have to admit a factory SP-01 in 40 does sound mighty tempting to me. But I am simply not a big fan of decockers when I can avoid them. Why they sell so many Fords and Chevys I reckon too.
Mr. Angus, I am still looking forward to your call to come get my 75B and the new SP-01. Being able to mount the 40 75B slide unit on the SP-01 frame will work out very well for me. No decocker, in a platform and style I am already very taken with.
I am curious though. Did you hear any talk of an SP-01 in 40 standard DA/SA, manual safety configuration, or just the decocker version?
twoguns
Post by: American-Veteran-2 on June 03, 2007, 01:09:49 AM
I must admit a SW 40 is better than a 9mm. I only got my SP-01 because bullets are cheap and so are the .40, so I went with the capacity factor.
We all know why the FBI had Smith and Wesson design a .40 because the female agents could not handle the 10mm muzzel flip, I don't have to mention their concern of going thru walls. That put a dent for the demand of 10mm. I am also concern about walls, thats why I don't use my Desert Eagle .44 mag for self defence unless I want to go thru walls.
I would have been more excited if they announce a 10mm instead. 
That I would go back to work for especially if it had a 17 rd. capacity!!! 
I'm a dreamer for sure.![0]](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif)
For now I will just have to be content with my EAA Elite Match 10mm I'm saving for a 6" ported barrel, I can't wait to get it and shoot some +p+. 
Post by: twoguns on June 03, 2007, 09:12:39 AM
A bit off the thread topic so sorry, but just wanted to clarify things.
Actually the FBI trashed their 1076s and the 10mm round, because they were having two companies produce downloaded rounds for them. They wanted the light 10 loads for everyone, but primarily for female and smaller agents who had trouble handling a normal round. When they began to experience reliability issues, both factories and Smith sent reps to Quantico to evaluate things. They all 3 agreed if the FBI would allow the ammo to be increased by 40 fps, the weapons would be totally reliable.
The Bureau refused to concede anyone knew more than they did, and opted to trash both the caliber and the pistol, and reverted back to their P226s in 9mm.
Smith developed the 40 S&W as a polite way to thumb their nose at the FBI. It had the same ballistics as the round the Bureau wanted downloaded by both companies, and would fit in a 9mm frame package as well, using the same projectile as the 10mm, and offering a double row mag.
Very quietly, the FBI eventually changed over to Glocks in 40. But I can promise you sir, Smith did not create the 40 for the FBI. Smith basically had to abandon the 10mm pistols from their line, largely as a result of meager sales after the FBI so publically complained about the poor pistol and ammo combination they had.
I was a fed at that time, and still am. I got my information from DEA firearms instructors stationed at Quantico who watched this all play out. Later while taking the Smith pistol armorer course, that instructor when asked about the 10mm situation, gave us substantially the same answer.
Sorry to get off thread here, but it is hard for me to sit quietly and mistakenly let anyone think Smith created the 40 as a favor to the FBI.
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Back to the thread. Mr. Angus have you heard anything about a possible SP-01 in 40 in non-decocker configuration?
twoguns
Post by: angus hobdell on June 03, 2007, 09:57:13 AM
Post by: twoguns on June 03, 2007, 11:45:59 AM
Thanks for the reply Mr. Angus. I guess I can understand why you are hearing LEAs all want decockers, as most will simply not allow their folks to carry SA or cocked and locked anymore. So I am sure the admin folks do only want the decocker version.
I am nearly retirement age, and will probably have to go out shortly on some sort of medical anyway. But at least that will let me go back to carrying in my preferred mode too - SA. It is nice to have the DA first shot capability, but the option CZ offers in the SA/DA models is simply hard to beat for me.
Maybe they will elect to offer an SP-01 40 in SA/DA with manual safety, but if they do I suspect it will be a ways down the road too.
Thanks again sir,
twoguns
Post by: Bruxley on June 03, 2007, 06:35:58 PM
ps- No reply on that barrel either Angus
Post by: Stuart on June 03, 2007, 07:17:38 PM
Post by: Bruxley on June 03, 2007, 07:53:09 PM
I'm no gunsmith. And if I'm way off here then my apologies in advance. But if recoil isn't the issue then 10mm would be a great thing from CZ here.
I have no illusions. I can see that CZ wants to be accepted by LEAs and Militarys around the world with this SP (service pistol?)series of weapons. And I hope to see it come about. Given that premise, a 10mm isn't on that track.
BUT I STILL WANT ONE !!
Post by: Stuart on June 03, 2007, 08:14:45 PM
can't physically fit the 10mm cartridge into the 75/85/SP01 frame or magazine.
that's what I mean..they would need to make a new frame and magazine to accomodate it..
Post by: Bruxley on June 03, 2007, 08:23:20 PM
LOL.
That G20 is just going to have to do. That's OK. It and my SP-01 fit VERY snugly into the same holster. The closer on the decision about a trail/camping gun. A 9mm just pisses the bears/mountain lions off...
Post by: SDDLUP on June 04, 2007, 08:56:44 AM
Angus, what was the capacity of the prototypes you got to try?
Post by: Bruxley on June 04, 2007, 02:54:00 PM
Post by: SDDLUP on June 05, 2007, 06:02:10 AM
Angus lists two new prototypes (both decockers) and an SP-06 (basically SP-01) in 40 cal.
I'm taking that to mean the SP-06 is an ambidextrous safety model. Still curious about capacity though.
Post by: Bruxley on June 05, 2007, 12:29:51 PM
QUITE a bit off thread topic but just my $.02 and my bad for a poor attempt at typo interpretation
Post by: pistolbro206 on June 05, 2007, 01:47:48 PM
Post by: SDDLUP on June 06, 2007, 09:10:29 AM
You are CORRECT!
Post by: steelcased on June 07, 2007, 10:47:50 PM
Post by: Bruxley on June 26, 2007, 10:16:35 AM
The SP-06 is out ALREADY
Found one HERE
www.gunbroker.com/Auction...m=74099456 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=74099456)
Is that fast or what, here about em and a month later they're available.
Post by: pistolbro206 on June 26, 2007, 12:18:34 PM
Close but no cigar.
That is the P-01 equivalent in .40S&W renamed as the P-06 that was discussed in the P-01 forum.
It's a bit shorter than the SP-01 or the proposed SP-06 which we are all anticipating.
Post by: Bruxley on June 26, 2007, 05:42:35 PM
Post by: amc31b on August 21, 2007, 06:00:18 PM
40 Short & Weak
9mm with a good +p hollow point is better than .40 s&w. All you gain with the .40 is a little more energy (which means practically nothing anyways) and recoil.
9mm is cheaper, easier to find, easier to shoot, holds more rounds in the magazine, is more universal all over the world and is more accurate than .40 S&W.
I'm not saying .40 S&W is a bad round but the only real advantage it offers over 9mm is that it leaves a bigger entrance wound. The wound channels the best .40 s&w defense ammo makes are not much bigger than the best 9mm.
To me, all you gain with .40 S&W is price, recoil and lowered capacity.
I just thought I stir up some discussion with this post!