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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: Beggerman on August 25, 2014, 01:40:02 AM
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I have the opportunity to choose one of the three compacts for my next gun (my dealer has all 3 at the moment), I am tending towards the steel compact over the PCR and P-01 at the moment. My reason was Cocked and Locked carry and similar balance and ergonomics to Browning HP when full length slide is fitted to steel compact frame.
What is your reason for choosing the steel compact over PCR and P-01 which are very excellent guns in their own right?
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I like the stability of the steel frame. IMO it improves follow on shots. There is less muzzle rise with the steel. Plus, to be honest, I am a lot more used to steel framed guns than alloy or polymer. Any of the three would be a great gun. I recently picked up a P01 and have previously owned a PCR. I just happen to love the Compact.
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Ditto! ;)
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I prefer the safety over the decocker.
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I chose the PCR & P-01 since they both have decockers and are lighter for carrying all day.
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I agree with Birds and Hoozier - the weight helps me stay on target. I started shooting IDPA in the Spring with my SP-01, and I think my 75 Compact will qualify for BUG matches with it's 3.8" barrel, if they ever have a BUG match at my club. I prefer the manual safety when I carry (condition one). I've read too many stories about shirt tails and jackets getting caught in the trigger while reholstering. Boom!
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I prefer the safety over the decocker.
+1. I really dislike decockers.
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And that's why CZ makes both, everyone is happy.
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I think a DeCocker on a CZ is like tits on a boar hog. Takes a good design and makes it worse. It would be okay if they built a lightweight with a manual safety system. Other than that the PCR and P01 are superb.
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I opted for the Compact because it can be carried in Condition 1 (like I carry all my other firearms when I'm using them), it has less recoil (thus, better accuracy), and it cost less. I'm all for getting more for less.
CZ-USA admits decocker models are meant for inexperienced shooters: http://cz-usa.blogspot.com/2011/05/safety-or-decocker.html.
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Because a bitone was offered to me in trade for a walther. I love it and feel that it is perfect in weight and heft, unlike the steel canik compact I bought which is quite a bit heavier than the CZ compact. If I want to carry a lighter compact pistol I have the P 07.
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I need another P07.
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CZ 75 Compact (steel) for the manual safety and that it should be able to handle +p and stronger reloads. Am surprised by the weight though! Sights could be better.
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I have a compact and a p-01. The compact is now the home for my Kadet kit. I won't carry my compact due to it's weight and because I can't reliably manipulate the safety. I have short thumbs.
Alloy + Decocker all day for this kid. I don't really have "range only" guns.
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Yes, the safety on the compact is too small to hit reliably. So I never use it. I start at half cock. No safety necessary. I can carry the compact all day and not be bothered by it. I guess the right holster and belt is a big plus.
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Yes, the safety on the compact is too small to hit reliably. So I never use it. I start at half cock. No safety necessary. I can carry the compact all day and not be bothered by it. I guess the right holster and belt is a big plus.
I always use good gear, I'd just rather not carry a steel gun when I can carry alloy. I used to carry my compact at half cock/ safety off. The problem is if I draw and fire and then need to reholster. I have to manually lower the hammer or use the safety. The safety doesn't work for me and manually lowering the hammer in a real life scenario isn't a plan I'm going to rely on.
My point is that there are plenty experienced shooters that prefer decockers over safeties.
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Yes, the safety on the compact is too small to hit reliably. So I never use it. I start at half cock. No safety necessary. I can carry the compact all day and not be bothered by it. I guess the right holster and belt is a big plus.
I always use good gear, I'd just rather not carry a steel gun when I can carry alloy. I used to carry my compact at half cock/ safety off. The problem is if I draw and fire and then need to reholster. I have to manually lower the hammer or use the safety. The safety doesn't work for me and manually lowering the hammer in a real life scenario isn't a plan I'm going to rely on.
My point is that there are plenty experienced shooters that prefer decockers over safeties.
I'm not comfortable carrying "cocked and locked" without a grip safety as back up (as in a 1911). It's just too easy for the safety to get pushed to "fire" while on your person without you knowing it. If I had a "safety" CZ, I'd carry it at half cock with the safety off, but then would want to unload / unchamber to drop the hammer. Therefore, a decocker makes the most sense to me.
As far as a steel frame, I'd love to see a reissue of the CZ-75 Compact with the rail (basically a steel version of the P-01 / P-06). I don't mind carrying an extra bit of weight that helps me hit the target multiple times.
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Yes, the safety on the compact is too small to hit reliably. So I never use it. I start at half cock. No safety necessary. I can carry the compact all day and not be bothered by it. I guess the right holster and belt is a big plus.
I always use good gear, I'd just rather not carry a steel gun when I can carry alloy. I used to carry my compact at half cock/ safety off. The problem is if I draw and fire and then need to reholster. I have to manually lower the hammer or use the safety. The safety doesn't work for me and manually lowering the hammer in a real life scenario isn't a plan I'm going to rely on.
My point is that there are plenty experienced shooters that prefer decockers over safeties.
Oh, don't get me wrong. Buy what you like. I'm not trying to convert anyone. Simply stating my reasons for carrying one. Find what you like and enjoy it. ;D
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I hear you bro.
I only learned to appreciate decockers after finding out that a safety model wouldn't work for me. I love CZ's so I had to adapt.
Sometimes the gun picks you.
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I said it before and I'll say it again.....
And that's why CZ makes both, everyone is happy.
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I like the stability of the steel frame. IMO it improves follow on shots. There is less muzzle rise with the steel. Plus, to be honest, I am a lot more used to steel framed guns than alloy or polymer. Any of the three would be a great gun. I recently picked up a P01 and have previously owned a PCR. I just happen to love the Compact.
I have all three. The steel compact is a 40 S&W though. The PCR is the carry option, the P01 is one of Stuart's Compact L's that I enjoy shooting the most, and the steel 40 S&W is the right weight for the caliber. All useful and all different.
Sancho
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I said it before and I'll say it again.....
And that's why CZ makes both, everyone is happy.
The problem is that CZ really doesn't make both - at least doesn't make them both available here in the states. The PCR and P01 have lightweight frames, making them much more suitable as carry guns. And these are not available in manual safeties.
The P07 is a great compact gun, but pretty different than the PCR. Not having the PCR with a manual safety is not good.
It would be nice to offer also at least an Omega version of the P01 (remember the P02?) or PCR. This would truly provide both to those who want it.
I hear the concerns above on the only safety being the thumb safety. I also freely admit the the current CZ 75B style safety is a bit weak. It seems to flick off too easily. The PreB safety is rock solid, and if you don't mind Canik, the C-100 is VERY positive. Actually the C-100 is a very good gun. I wonder if someone makes a strong spring to mod the 75B safety to make it more positive. But... that is a valid concern for carry.
Lots of BHP owners do carry C/L and have no grip safety. I also think manually decocking can be done safely and under stress - albeit with some training (not more training than learning the DA/SA pull).
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I also freely admit the the current CZ 75B style safety is a bit weak. It seems to flick off too easily. ... that is a valid concern for carry.
The safety on my Compact is fine. Since putting on VZ grips I ride the safety with my thumb, but it doesn't flick off unless I want it off. Could the weakness you are seeing be due to variation in part sizes and fit? For example, I have two 83s, one of which requires a good tug on the trigger guard to unlock the slide from the frame, while the other pulls down with very little effort.
Lots of BHP owners do carry C/L and have no grip safety. I also think manually decocking can be done safely and under stress - albeit with some training (not more training than learning the DA/SA pull).
From my understanding of the development of the 1911, of the two safeties the thumb lock was more valuable to the Army than the grip safety. Browning started off with just the grip safety, but the Army demanded the ability to safe the pistol while still gripping it. As a result, the addition of the thumb lock was one of the final modifications made to convert the 1910 into the 1911.
The thumb lock has never come inadvertently disengaged on any of my steel-framed compacts. Even if one should, I carry them in holsters that completely cover the trigger guard with stiff leather, preventing any accidental discharge. And, I don't touch the trigger unless my sights are on my target. I suspect the SA trigger pull on a stock 75 is fairly similar to the trigger pull on a safetiless Glock.
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The problem is that CZ really doesn't make both - at least doesn't make them both available here in the states. The PCR and P01 have lightweight frames, making them much more suitable as carry guns. And these are not available in manual
The safety is on the compact and decockers on the PCR & P-01
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The problem is that CZ really doesn't make both - at least doesn't make them both available here in the states. The PCR and P01 have lightweight frames, making them much more suitable as carry guns. And these are not available in manual
The safety is on the compact and decockers on the PCR & P-01
I know. RTP.
Skookum: roger - understand. Some are weaker than others, and I too don't have trouble in theory about C/L. Just have to gauge each pistol accordingly.